Vick @ WASH (1 Viewer)

[red]

i know there is a vick thread, but i wanted to start a new one just discussing his prospects this week @ the redskins.

the wash def is allowing an average of 118 yards rushing/game, 225 yards passing/game and almost 22 points/game.

the last time vick mouthed off was after week 6 (complaining about his WR and the OC) where he then thumped pittsburgh to the tune of 18-32 for 242 yards and 4 TDs/2 INTs + 5-40 rushing.

does he regroup and rebound? is dunn's slowing down affect the defenses such that they aren't worrying as much about the run? is vick's ineptitude at being a passer an dhis WRs ineptitude at catching the ball affecting the defenses such that they aren't worrying as much about the pass? is the whole atlanta team just about ready to implode after losing week after week after week to teams they had no right losing to?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Rebound from what??

Unless your QBs don't get points for rushing yards, he was still a fine start in Week 12.

 

[RKMoney]

wrong forum

 

[redman]

wrong forum

This forum is reserved for Vince Young?

 

[my man otis]

I'm not too familiar w/ the Skins - what kind of speed (if any) do they have at LB?

 

[thayman]

if the Defense steps up and plays the way it did this past week, then he should be contained and shut down.

 

[RKMoney]

wrong forum

This forum is reserved for Vince Young?

Shall I start Vick this week down?

 

[red]

wrong forum

sorry to get your panties in a bunch...i'm not asking if i should start vick over someone else! i've just noticed that one of the hottest teams to start the year is now losing and losing bad. warrick dunn is slowing down averaging only 3.1 yards/carry. norwood has been dinged but is coming back. vick does the finger and now has to deal with the media and apologies in the midst of angering team management, coaches and players alike. many teams drafted vick late as a backup QB to their #1, but have been riding him until his recent woes. his last tirade lead to an incredible two-week spurt in production where many pundits began extolling vick's skills and claiming he has finally "arrived." now, those same pundits are saying he's done and will never be an NFL passer.i thought this forum would be a good place to not discuss whether vick is a punk or not, or a passer or not, but whether he and the atlanta falcons can rebound from their recent embarrassments or will they simply implode and spiral down the toilette to remaining few weeks of the season.

 

[Steelnation]

wrong forum

sorry to get your panties in a bunch...i'm not asking if i should start vick over someone else! i've just noticed that one of the hottest teams to start the year is now losing and losing bad. warrick dunn is slowing down averaging only 3.1 yards/carry. norwood has been dinged but is coming back. vick does the finger and now has to deal with the media and apologies in the midst of angering team management, coaches and players alike. many teams drafted vick late as a backup QB to their #1, but have been riding him until his recent woes. his last tirade lead to an incredible two-week spurt in production where many pundits began extolling vick's skills and claiming he has finally "arrived." now, those same pundits are saying he's done and will never be an NFL passer.i thought this forum would be a good place to not discuss whether vick is a punk or not, or a passer or not, but whether he and the atlanta falcons can rebound from their recent embarrassments or will they simply implode and spiral down the toilette to remaining few weeks of the season.

 

[redman]

wrong forum

This forum is reserved for Vince Young?

Shall I start Vick this week down?

In this thread? Yes.

 

[RKMoney]

wrong forum

sorry to get your panties in a bunch...i'm not asking if i should start vick over someone else!

i've just noticed that one of the hottest teams to start the year is now losing and losing bad. warrick dunn is slowing down averaging only 3.1 yards/carry. norwood has been dinged but is coming back. vick does the finger and now has to deal with the media and apologies in the midst of angering team management, coaches and players alike. many teams drafted vick late as a backup QB to their #1, but have been riding him until his recent woes. his last tirade lead to an incredible two-week spurt in production where many pundits began extolling vick's skills and claiming he has finally "arrived." now, those same pundits are saying he's done and will never be an NFL passer.

i thought this forum would be a good place to not discuss whether vick is a punk or not, or a passer or not, but whether he and the atlanta falcons can rebound from their recent embarrassments or will they simply implode and spiral down the toilette to remaining few weeks of the season.

Looks like you answered your own question...why the need to post again?

 

[red]

Looks like you answered your own question...why the need to post again?

um....the last time vick was at this crossroad, he surprised everyone and put on an incredible show versus pittsburgh. i have my opinion (which is why this thread was not a WSIS post to begin with). i'm curious to what others think, hence posting in this forum for a more learned discussion. if you're still upset by this post, stop clicking on it.

 

[redman]

wrong forum

sorry to get your panties in a bunch...i'm not asking if i should start vick over someone else!

i've just noticed that one of the hottest teams to start the year is now losing and losing bad. warrick dunn is slowing down averaging only 3.1 yards/carry. norwood has been dinged but is coming back. vick does the finger and now has to deal with the media and apologies in the midst of angering team management, coaches and players alike. many teams drafted vick late as a backup QB to their #1, but have been riding him until his recent woes. his last tirade lead to an incredible two-week spurt in production where many pundits began extolling vick's skills and claiming he has finally "arrived." now, those same pundits are saying he's done and will never be an NFL passer.

i thought this forum would be a good place to not discuss whether vick is a punk or not, or a passer or not, but whether he and the atlanta falcons can rebound from their recent embarrassments or will they simply implode and spiral down the toilette to remaining few weeks of the season.

Looks like you answered your own question...why the need to post again?

Yeah, I mean it could be seen as tooting your own horn or something.

 

[Warpig]

Looks like you answered your own question...why the need to post again?

um....the last time vick was at this crossroad, he surprised everyone and put on an incredible show versus pittsburgh. i have my opinion (which is why this thread was not a WSIS post to begin with). i'm curious to what others think, hence posting in this forum for a more learned discussion. if you're still upset by this post, stop clicking on it.

Since I need him to have a big game this week (need one more win to clinch my division)...I'd say he tanks and has an abysmal game. That's normally the way it works with my players. :( I think the possiblity is certainly there for him to have a huge game. The Washington secondary is dinged and was questionable anyway. The LB's are above average though I don't know how fast they are.

Either way the ATL O-line needs to step it up and the WR's need to atleast think about contributing. I got a feeling that WAS is gonna be fired up since they seem to be playing better with Campbell at the helm...they are revitalized and at home. My gut tells me it may be another game like the New Orleans home opener. :X

 

[ThePassion]

Well I'm not a proud owner of Vick... I sorta just ended up with him in my league.

But how can a Vick owner really complain about his production? I assume in most leagues you get points for rushing yards.

This guy is a fantasy gem, last week he didn't throw or run for a touchdown, still got me 19 points. How can you complain about that production.

In my league he has scored under 15 points a remarkable 1 time. A consistent 15 points from your QB makes me happy. If you are looking for a true qb that throws beautiful passes well obviously he ain't him, but this guy puts up fantasy points no matter how bad he looks.

He is currently #3 qb in my league... pretty standard scoring.

 

[RKMoney]

Looks like you answered your own question...why the need to post again?

um....the last time vick was at this crossroad, he surprised everyone and put on an incredible show versus pittsburgh. i have my opinion (which is why this thread was not a WSIS post to begin with). i'm curious to what others think, hence posting in this forum for a more learned discussion. if you're still upset by this post, stop clicking on it.

Never said I was upset, sorry if you think I was but Vick has done this every year so why is it thread worth to post something that happens every year?1. Vick has a few "wow, incredible, he has finally arrived QB" games then has a bunch of "run only" type games

2. Nobody can catch on that team, nobody when Crump is tightly covered.

3. Repeat 1 above

 

[RKMoney]

Well I'm not a proud owner of Vick... I sorta just ended up with him in my league.But how can a Vick owner really complain about his production? I assume in most leagues you get points for rushing yards.This guy is a fantasy gem, last week he didn't throw or run for a touchdown, still got me 19 points. How can you complain about that production.In my league he has scored under 15 points a remarkable 1 time. A consistent 15 points from your QB makes me happy. If you are looking for a true qb that throws beautiful passes well obviously he ain't him, but this guy puts up fantasy points no matter how bad he looks.He is currently #3 qb in my league... pretty standard scoring.

I thought the post had to do with real football, not fantasy. He's always been a better fantasy QB than real life QB.FYI: Our league gives 1 pt per 20 yards rush so while decent, nothing great last week but in 1 pt per 10 yards rushing obviously he's that much better.

 

[cstu]

Rebound from his receivers dropping passes? Seriously, they are losing games because of dropped passes, not because of Vick.

Trading Duckett for Lelie was a mistake, not sure what the Falcons were thinking there.

 

[my man otis]

Can we please get back to a discussion of whether or not he's a good start this week or has the thread gone the way of vick/red bashing?

I for one plan to start him in one league (have Favre as QB2), but in another I've got a decision to make b/t him and Romo.

I think he's a solid play, though his antics and general poor WR play make me hesitate. Wash D did play well last week also.

 

[red]

Can we please get back to a discussion of whether or not he's a good start this week or has the thread gone the way of vick/red bashing?I for one plan to start him in one league (have Favre as QB2), but in another I've got a decision to make b/t him and Romo.I think he's a solid play, though his antics and general poor WR play make me hesitate. Wash D did play well last week also.

this is my point: i don't know enough about wash's def, but they held delhomme and steve smith in check (smith had only 5 for 34 on 10 targets). williams only rushed for 63 yards. they can certainly do that again agaist the likes of jenkins, white or lelie. dunn has lost his burst. the two questions in my mind are: can they contain vick on the ground? does vick shut his critics up with another amazing performance after bashing and getting bashed in the media (he seems to rise to the top when there's controversy or headlines abounding)?

 

[Dancing Bear]

Unless you have P. Manning, D. Brees or C. Palmer as well as M. Vick on your roster, I don't see how you can or why you would consider benching him.

He is 4th in overall Fantasy points and PPG in 2006.

According to Clayton Gray's SofS analysis, Washington is also one of the easiest Defenses for a QB to face. They are in the middle ground with respect to RB's and they are the absolute easiest Defense for a WR to face.

You start M. Vick this week and expect with a high probability that he will eclipse 20 total fantasy points!

 

[redman]

Can we please get back to a discussion of whether or not he's a good start this week or has the thread gone the way of vick/red bashing?I for one plan to start him in one league (have Favre as QB2), but in another I've got a decision to make b/t him and Romo.I think he's a solid play, though his antics and general poor WR play make me hesitate. Wash D did play well last week also.

this is my point: i don't know enough about wash's def, but they held delhomme and steve smith in check (smith had only 5 for 34 on 10 targets). williams only rushed for 63 yards. they can certainly do that again agaist the likes of jenkins, white or lelie. dunn has lost his burst. the two questions in my mind are: can they contain vick on the ground? does vick shut his critics up with another amazing performance after bashing and getting bashed in the media (he seems to rise to the top when there's controversy or headlines abounding)?

The Redskins seemed to respond to Joe Gibbs' privately reading the team the riot act last week about responsibility, particularly in stopping the run and tackling well. Make of that what you will. The most similar QB they've played to Vick was Vince Young in week 6, also at Washington. That defense held Young to the following stat line:13/25/1/0 passing6/10/0 rushingThe rushing stats in particular impress me, and the defense is now healthier than it was in week 6. Of note, Travis Henry ran all over them that day. I think Vick turns in a pretty average day for him, which is around 50% passing, less than 200 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT, and around 40-60 yards rushing.

 

[Warpig]

Can we please get back to a discussion of whether or not he's a good start this week or has the thread gone the way of vick/red bashing?I for one plan to start him in one league (have Favre as QB2), but in another I've got a decision to make b/t him and Romo.I think he's a solid play, though his antics and general poor WR play make me hesitate. Wash D did play well last week also.

Man...if I had Romo I'd go with him without even flinching. He's been on fire. Vick is up and down. And like I said, since I need Vick to have a good game this week...he won't...thus is fantasy football law.As far as Washington's D against Carolina...Carolina is so over-rated this year it's nauseating. It's like they got too cocky and forgot how to play good football. Either that or that O-line has taken a huge step back from last year. I wouldn't be afraid to start Vick against the Redskin D for fear of them shutting down the Falcons offense. What scares me is Vick's lack of receivers that can catch the ball and allow them to stay in the game.

 

[dickey moe]

FWIW, I'm starting Vick over Palmer this week, and I like his matchup vs. the Skins.

 

[RKMoney]

Vick is going to have an incredible game and how do I know this? Because I'll be benching him!

Sitting him for Brady and can already see Brady thowing for 1 TD / 220 yards passing while Vick will have close to 100 yards rush with 1 rush TD and two passing TDs.

 

[Tag]

I have a bad feeling about Vick this week, especially what I saw from the Redskins D last week against Carolina. Im benching Vick for Favre this week.

 

[towney]

I have a bad feeling about Vick this week, especially what I saw from the Redskins D last week against Carolina. Im benching Vick for Favre this week.

I was thinking the same, but I've got this gut feeling Vick will out perform Farve this week. I'm going to play the high risk/reward card this week.

 

[Big Score]

Either way the ATL O-line needs to step it up and the WR's need to atleast think about contributing.

This is the key to Vick having either a HUGE game, or just his usual game.In either event, I do not see Vick having a bust game.

 

[redman]

The Redskins D-line is not good at rushing the passer. They are good at maintaining the point of attack and stopping the run. That skill set naturally lends itself to maintaining contain and good rush discipline, forcing Vick to stay in the pocket and beat them with his arm. I think that's going to be their approach in this game.

The 'Skins secondary is playing its best football of the year (not saying much! ) now that Springs is back and completely healthy and in shape, so I don't think that Vick's going to have a great game. Many Vick owners figure to have a better matchup that they can find on their roster.

 

[Big Score]

The Redskins D-line is not good at rushing the passer. They are good at maintaining the point of attack and stopping the run.

From your analysis redman, the match up seems to be a sub par rushing line ~ vs ~ a sub par pass blocking line.It all boils down to which iffy line, wins the battle in the trenches.

 

[redman]

The Redskins D-line is not good at rushing the passer. They are good at maintaining the point of attack and stopping the run.

From your analysis redman, the match up seems to be a sub par rushing line ~ vs ~ a sub par pass blocking line.It all boils down to which iffy line, wins the battle in the trenches.

Maybe both sides should just play without linemen, with the LB's counting "Mississippi's" if they want to blitz.

 

[Golden Valley Vipers]

I was on the fence with Bulger as the other option. Springs is inactive today so that shifts the balance to Vick for me.

 

[towney]

Now with DB Shawn Springs inactive and S Troy Vincent out, Vick might have a good day in Washington.

 

[my man otis]

Now with DB Shawn Springs inactive and S Troy Vincent out, Vick might have a good day in Washington.

not so far.

 

[redman]

Now with DB Shawn Springs inactive and S Troy Vincent out, Vick might have a good day in Washington.

not so far.

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It's amazing how bad their defense looks without Springs, and to a lesser extent Vincent. Vick's not having much of a day but for the 2 TD's, but then who needs to pass when you've almost run/scrambled for 250 yards halfway through the 4th quarter.

 

[Big Score]

Now with DB Shawn Springs inactive and S Troy Vincent out, Vick might have a good day in Washington.

not so far.

bump

It's amazing how bad their defense looks without Springs, and to a lesser extent Vincent.

Vick's not having much of a day but for the 2 TD's, but then who needs to pass when you've almost run/scrambled for 250 yards halfway through the 4th quarter.

The good thing is, that when Vick did pass (only 16 attempts with just 2 minutes left), only 5 passes were dropped this game & Vick was very accurate.

 

[snarfsnarf]

Now with DB Shawn Springs inactive and S Troy Vincent out, Vick might have a good day in Washington.

not so far.

bump

It's amazing how bad their defense looks without Springs, and to a lesser extent Vincent.

Vick's not having much of a day but for the 2 TD's, but then who needs to pass when you've almost run/scrambled for 250 yards halfway through the 4th quarter.

The good thing is, that when Vick did pass (only 16 attempts with just 2 minutes left), only 5 passes were dropped this game & Vick was very accurate.

Funny when dropping only 5 out of 16 passes is good.

 

[Shlon]

Now with DB Shawn Springs inactive and S Troy Vincent out, Vick might have a good day in Washington.

not so far.

bump

It's amazing how bad their defense looks without Springs, and to a lesser extent Vincent.

Vick's not having much of a day but for the 2 TD's, but then who needs to pass when you've almost run/scrambled for 250 yards halfway through the 4th quarter.

The good thing is, that when Vick did pass (only 16 attempts with just 2 minutes left), only 5 passes were dropped this game & Vick was very accurate.

Funny when dropping only 5 out of 16 passes is good.

Unfortuantely for the Falcons receivers, that's actually a good day.