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Funny how the concussion was "significant" and would probably keep Vick out the rest of the season and suddenly after Foles' clunker Vick could be back next week.
Reid's future is with another team. And he can take Vick with him. Foles looked like a 3rd round rookie making his first start on an atrocious team. There is nothing good about the current Eagels; the defense, the special teams, the coaching, and yes - the offense including Foles.However bad Foles was today, the Eagles are 11-18 in their last 29 with most of them started by Vick. And he leads the league in turnovers.
This has the makings of a historically bad MNF game. Do not underestimate the ability of the 2012 Eagles to make bad teams look good. There is no team playing worse at this moment.
Agreed. I think the Eagles will make some plays, but that OL is THE WORST in the NFL- hands down. Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy are a good DE combo, and Philly will have issues. Should be a sloppy game.
I understand he will most likely do so, but there is absolutely no reason to bring Vick back. They were one of the worst teams in the league WITH Vick. A 33 year old Vick should have no place on the Eagles in '13; play the rookie 3rd round pick and see if he develops. As bad as he looked, Foles final stat line was no worse than McNabb's in his rookie debut. Maybe Andy and Marty could actually give him some help by not asking him to drop back and pass 51 times. They just can't help themselves.
I think Reid would lose all credibility in the locker room if he continued to start Foles given how awful he looked. The fact he looked so overmatched against one of the league's worst pass defenses didn't help matters. I'm a Foles owner for what it's worth so it's my fantasy interests for him to keep the job but he was an embarrassment out there yesterday. I wouldn't blame Reid at all if he went back to Vick as soon as he's healthy.
In case anyone outside of Philly hasn't noticed, Andy's already lost the locker room. They packed it in a few games ago. But I understand what you're saying. Maybe go back to Vick for a few games and let Foles try again in the last couple of games.
Big picture...does it really matter?Vick sucks and turns the ball over at a record breaking rate. Foles has a rough start but needs to get those growing pains out of his system. Let Foles ride out the rest of the season. What do they have to lose?If they go back to Vick, I'm gonna laugh...a lot!
Even as a Vick owner watching the collective panic/dumpster fire/Reid's future is with another team. And he can take Vick with him. Foles looked like a 3rd round rookie making his first start on an atrocious team. There is nothing good about the current Eagels; the defense, the special teams, the coaching, and yes - the offense including Foles.However bad Foles was today, the Eagles are 11-18 in their last 29 with most of them started by Vick. And he leads the league in turnovers.
makes it all worth it...
Really. Go ask kc fans how they feel.
Really. Go ask kc fans how they feel.
On a neutral field, that game would be a pick 'em.But honestly, I don't feel a whole better if the Eagles are only the 2nd worst team in the league.
I think they need to find out if Foles can play because if he can't then that means they'll need to make a QB a high priority in the draft. But as bad as Foles looked I'm not sure there's even that benefit in terms of letting him play. He looked like he had no business being on a college field yesterday, much less an NFL one.
I could accept that thinking. There may not be a franchise-type QB worth drafting in '13 (better prospects in '14?) so maybe they let Vick continue to get beat up, go with Foles next year and evaluate accordingly. Use '13 to draft O-line and safety.But certainly don't bring Vick back to win more games.
They're not going to find out anything meaningful about the kid the rest of the year, other than if he can take a pounding. And his rough first ever start in a terrible situation says absolutely nothing about his prospects next year and beyond.
I think if he played well behind that horrible o line it would say a lot about him. So I do think there's potential value in letting him play. The fact he looked like garbage doesn't guarantee he has no NFL future but the fact he looked like garbage against a terrible pass defense certainly isn't very encouraging in my opinion. And again, I'm not sure the Eagles want to be humiliated on national TV again. I think that could factor into the decision at QB, assuming Vick is cleared to play.
If Foles stinks it up again have to think Vick is the starter in Week 13. Reid's been pretty adamant that Vick is the starter when healthy.
I think Vick is better than the starting QBs for each of the following teams:Minnesota (but they're committed to Ponder)Miami (but they're seemingly committed to Tannehill)ArizonaJacksonvilleKansas CityJetsBuffalo
I'd agree on all counts. Minnesota isn't moving on from Ponder (yet), nor is Miami (nor should they). Jacksonville and KC will have very early picks, and either the new management/coaching staff or the one that remains will be on very thin ice, and I doubt they would chance that with signing Vick over drafting a rookie.Leaves Arizona, the Jets and Buffalo. The Jets are seemingly sticking with Sanchez, and don't want yet another QB controversy. Buffalo's owner has said he wants a "franchise QB", and I don't think he's talking about Vick. Arizona would be a very interesting situation. They might be just good enough to not land one of the top rookie QBs coming out, but their weakest position is QB.....
One thing I will say about Vick, during his time in Philly he's been shown tremendous character (with the exception of labeling the Eagles as a dynasty in the making).
At what point is Foles' poor play detrimental to the Eagles? Do we still roll with Foles if he continues to play like he did in weeks 10 and 11? Of course we want to see if we have anything in him. However, his poor play could impact the development (and evaluation) of our other players. He's certainly likely to hurt the production of our skill position players, some of whom might want to be named to pro bowls and such. Clearly the play of the offensive line has already reached that point... Speaking of that, is it possible to properly evaluate Foles behind that offensive line? Has the play of the offensive line caused us to undervalue Vick?
Is Foles has another pathetic performance - this time on national TV - I'd be shocked if Vick was the starter in Week 13 assuming he's cleared to return. The Eagles may not be going anywhere but I doubt they want to be humiliated every time they set foot on the field the rest of the season.
I understand what you're saying, but they don't need Foles under center to be humiliated. Did you watch those games against the Falcons and the Saints?
Yes I did. While Vick wasn't playing great he didn't look like a total failure the way Foles did against the Redskins. All I'm saying is another performance like that and I think Vick will return as the starter if he's cleared. He may return anyway given how Reid has insisted he's still the starter when healthy. But I think another bad performance by Foles on Monday night and that may be the last time we see him as a starter this season barring another injury to Vick.
I agree. At least they were able to move the ball against against the Falcons and Saints.
Yeah, all the Cardinals need to do is bring in another reject QB from the Eagles.I would think after the Kolb disaster, the Cardinals are not going to be in any hurry to make that mistake again.
Couple of things to keep in mind. If Foles looks really bad again against the Panthers then the Eagles probably lose the game to drop them to 3-8. At that point, Reid's voice may not be the loudest within the organization. Lurie will be back next year. Roseman ( :X ) looks like he'll be back next year. Foles will be back next year. Andy & Vick won't.If they win, then in all likelihood Foles has a good game and will earn another week. Reid said Vick's his guy "when he's healthy". And latest reports still have him in phase 1 of recovery.
Totally forgot that point! Good call.
Supposedly foles was suppose to be better pre snap and audibling and therefore get himself out of harms way and into more successful plays more often than vick.........that didn't happen. I begin to wonder if much of the public hate is where some of the vick perception of he can't audible/can't pre snap read is way or atleast somewhat overblown. Using that saints game case in point,what could he have possibly done differently so he wouldn't keep getting smashed and the team move the ball? That was one of the worst OL performances I have ever seen and maclin/Jackson aren't the type to break press coverage quickly or break into hot/option read routes
This cracked me up because as true as it is, #### won't change. Its been this way for how long now?
Reid said today Vick has progressed to Phase 2. I don't dispute the potential validity of your points but who's to say Lurie will want to see Foles remain the QB if he humiliates himself again this week, this time on national TV? Maybe he'll want Vick to be the starter if for no other reason to at least give his team a possibility it can win a game the rest of the season. That being said, I think the Eagles will win this week. I have nothing concrete to base this on other than they're at home and the Panthers may be an even bigger joke of a team than Philly is.
This'Amused to Death said:
is awesome. Philly math. Our guy x # of championships in last 3 years = FIRE EVERYBOYCan you unpack this a little. Thanks.This
Yes. That might save the Eagles' season.
I'm making a call based on what I think Reid is gonna do. What the Eagles should do is irrelevant
He has to start if he's healthy. Foles is horrible.
Steve Young said that if Foles is supposed to be the future then "Vick just might need to stay"
