Vince Young considered retirement? (1 Viewer)

[Warehouse Nasty]

I've never been a big fan of his and this didn't help me like him any more. "All I was doing was worrying about things."? Hey, buddy, welcome to LIFE! Hard to feel sorry for pro athletes trying to play the sympathy card that life is tough.

Vince Young has probably been through more tough times in his life than anyone you've ever known. I seriously doubt he needs your sympathy.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Anybody know what's his major or what classes he's taking?

Learning the Alphabet 101?Because, you know, he's so stupid and everything.

I'm guessing he didn't major in Biochemistry or Mechanical Engineering. I think you're on track with Learning the Alphabet 101. He may not be mentally ######ed but he certainly isn't a genius.

 

[Two Deep]

"My teammates helped lift me out of it. I prayed really hard. And I began to focus on God's calling for me. Play football. Be a role model."

Hmmm... being drunk and shirtless at a party must be God's definition of a role model then.

Being drunk and shirtless with a bunch of dudes. His deppression is most likely caused by him surpressing his gayness.

 

[Afro Samurai]

but he certainly isn't a genius.

And you are?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

but he certainly isn't a genius.

And you are?

I can hold my own.

 

[Afro Samurai]

but he certainly isn't a genius.

And you are?

I can hold my own.

If you're so intelligent and superior, why are you wasting your time on a message board trying to tear down some dude you don't even know?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

but he certainly isn't a genius.

And you are?

I can hold my own.

If you're so intelligent and superior, why are you wasting your time on a message board trying to tear down some dude you don't even know?

Just trying to do the world a favor and share my knowledge.

 

[-OZ-]

but he certainly isn't a genius.

And you are?

I can hold my own.

If you're so intelligent and superior, why are you wasting your time on a message board trying to tear down some dude you don't even know?

Just trying to do the world a favor and share my knowledge.

we appreciate it.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

"My teammates helped lift me out of it. I prayed really hard. And I began to focus on God's calling for me. Play football. Be a role model."

Hmmm... being drunk and shirtless at a party must be God's definition of a role model then.

You think God cares if he has a shirt on?

Nope... but drunk? Yes.

Is that the standard now?There are violent offenders, sexual offenders, and drug offenders, etc playing professional sports right now, and most folks don't bat an eye, but now it's some kind of horrific act to be photograhed drinking (legally) at a party? Interestingly, I don't recall any similar uproar over any of the dozens of other athletes who've been photographed hammered.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Vince Young and the pressure

NASHVILLE -- Despite coming off a 2006 season in which he won Offensive Rookie of the Year and helped to double the Tennessee Titans' win total from the previous year, Vince Young said he felt lost in training camp last summer.

He was hurting. He was overwhelmed.

At age 24 -- only one year into his NFL career -- he said he considered retirement.

At least he made the Pro Bowl and played for more than his rookie season and didn't line up under center, TWICE, before considering retirement.http://www.post-gazette.com/sports_headlin...0124reeves3.asp

... Elway was a rookie discombobulated by the Denver head coach, twice placing his hands under guard Tom Glassic during games. Reeves allowed the rookie just five formations and backup Steve DeBerg 15. Reeves benched the rookie twice, the last time coming in the playoffs. Elway grew so distraught he talked to his wife about quitting to become a Stanford assistant under his dad, Jack.

Maybe Elway also suffed from depression or quite simply it may be as simple and straight forward that young QBs are under extreme pressure and face scrutiny that most people wouldn't want in this day of phone cameras taking snapshots and posting them on the internet by stalker-oskie types trying to make splashy headlines and names for themselves with sensationalitic headlines.Young QBs fight thru early career struggles but that isn't newsworthy. If people made a big a deal out John Elway contemplating reitirement after his rookie season or were to to interview other QBs who struggled early in their careers then putting this sort of story into the proper context would diffuse rumors and speculation but sensationism sells.

Can't sell sensationism without a splashy headline or by putting things into proper context to find that their really isn't a story worth pursuing.

No story here folks, unless the story is rookie QBs go through rough patches and face self doubt and those who come out the other end tend to come out stronger.

Your very seems out of place here.

 

[JamesTheScot]

"My teammates helped lift me out of it. I prayed really hard. And I began to focus on God's calling for me. Play football. Be a role model."

Hmmm... being drunk and shirtless at a party must be God's definition of a role model then.

You think God cares if he has a shirt on?

Nope... but drunk? Yes.

That doesn't make sense... God made both alcohol AND the early 20's. Seriously, anyone that has an issue with him being a bit tanked during the offseason needs to seriously get a life. Or at least respect others who have one.

God made the poppy plant as well, so pass the smack. Maybe a little coke to clear the sinuses. Is that your position on substance use? Switz didn't take issue with him over getting tanked...he took issue with him getting tanked yet claiming it was his "calling" from God to be a role model.

IF you believe in the christian God, the scriptures are pretty clear on the topic of drunkeness, not drinking itself, but drunkeness. You don't have to believe in God as depicted by the christian faith, but if you do, as presumably VY does, there isn't a whole lot of wiggle room on drunkeness. I think that was Switz's point.

VY apologized for it. Maybe it was legit, maybe it was more "Doh, got caught!". Time may tell.

As for the Elway comparison, Elway cried when he got drafted and threatened to not play. I tend to put Eli Manning and John Elway in the same boat. Elway was a prima donna and cry baby...at least early on...the same as Eli Manning. Saying Elway considered retiring after getting benched doesn't exactly earn VY a pass from me...in fact, it puts him in worse company. He's young (no pun intended) and maybe he'll get straightened out like Elway did. But maybe he won't and he'll become the next Jeff George.

Fans who let their team's performance on Sunday affect their Monday at work don't merit your concern as an NFL player. I wonder about any NFL player who lets concern for those type of people affect their career decisions. Part of growing up is learning who you shouldn't let down and who you shouldn't worry about. If Favre doesn't know that already...he isn't exactly the individualist maverick Madden made him out to be.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

FWIW, the drinking appears to be an isolated incident based on past history. VY was never known to be even a casual drinker during his time here in Austin. As in most college towns, pretty much everything the players do here, good or bad, gets noticed and talked about. In fact, it's worse here than in most college towns.

 

[Abraham]

 

[-OZ-]

"My teammates helped lift me out of it. I prayed really hard. And I began to focus on God's calling for me. Play football. Be a role model."

Hmmm... being drunk and shirtless at a party must be God's definition of a role model then.

You think God cares if he has a shirt on? :X

Nope... but drunk? Yes.

That doesn't make sense... God made both alcohol AND the early 20's. Seriously, anyone that has an issue with him being a bit tanked during the offseason needs to seriously get a life. Or at least respect others who have one.

God made the poppy plant as well, so pass the smack. Maybe a little coke to clear the sinuses. Is that your position on substance use? Switz didn't take issue with him over getting tanked...he took issue with him getting tanked yet claiming it was his "calling" from God to be a role model.

IF you believe in the christian God, the scriptures are pretty clear on the topic of drunkeness, not drinking itself, but drunkeness. You don't have to believe in God as depicted by the christian faith, but if you do, as presumably VY does, there isn't a whole lot of wiggle room on drunkeness. I think that was Switz's point.

VY apologized for it. Maybe it was legit, maybe it was more "Doh, got caught!". Time may tell.

As for the Elway comparison, Elway cried when he got drafted and threatened to not play. I tend to put Eli Manning and John Elway in the same boat. Elway was a prima donna and cry baby...at least early on...the same as Eli Manning. Saying Elway considered retiring after getting benched doesn't exactly earn VY a pass from me...in fact, it puts him in worse company. He's young (no pun intended) and maybe he'll get straightened out like Elway did. But maybe he won't and he'll become the next Jeff George.

Fans who let their team's performance on Sunday affect their Monday at work don't merit your concern as an NFL player. I wonder about any NFL player who lets concern for those type of people affect their career decisions. Part of growing up is learning who you shouldn't let down and who you shouldn't worry about. If Favre doesn't know that already...he isn't exactly the individualist maverick Madden made him out to be.

If we assume for a second that drunkenness is a sin, are you ready to cast the first stone?Sin or not is between him and God, he seems to be a good person overall, so I won't hold this against him.

VY's still a better role model than many of today's athletes, I'd be very happy if my sons grow up to be like him, even if they (gasp) get drunk once in awhile.

Fact is, VY is still young and growing, I assume he's continuing to mature.

The hate for this guy is laughable, if 99% of you held yourself to the same standard you're holding this 20-something multi-millionaire to, the world would be a better place.

As for the offense, there was talk on the local sports station today, where Frank Wycheck mentioned how VY was overthinking things last year in Chow's offense. FWIW, Chow is gone, Hiemerdinger will simplify things.

Mark it down, VY will be fine this year, and the haters won't be around to comment.

 

[Black Box]

The one thing I learned from this thread is that there is a lot of Vince Young hate out there. Yikes... I didn't realize that.

 

[sholditch]

Seems like VY suffers from a mild depression. He got over it, and seems better for it, but one should be concerned about his ability to take criticism.

First Benson and now this guy. What the hell is Mack Brown doing to these kids? Or is UT just so fun that anything afterwards is a huge letdown.

 

[Hawk]

Mack Brown cares about his players and he treats them well, perhaps to the point of coddling them. Going from being the hero at Texas to being slapped by the ruthless business that is the NFL has certainly taken a toll on some of the players who were already dealing with their own personal demons. Ricky is the number one example. Cedric is Exhibit 2. I don't think Vince has the mental/emotional issues that those guys have though, so I think Vince struggled with it a bit last year, but will be fine in the end (and already appears much better at this point than he did last season). I will say this for Mack though, he handles those guys so that they do succeed in college. Ricky and Cedric flourished under Mack, Vince obviously did as well. But I don't think you can paint the Texas program based on Ricky and Cedric, those guys walked to the beat of their own drummers, even before coming to Texas.

And this Vince story is being overblown IMO. He wasn't really going to retire. To me it just shows that he had some major adjustments to make and growing up to do, and he appears to be doing it. Plus Vince was dealing with his own personal and family issues on top of the strain of Pro football. He and his long time girlfriend broke up, his dad was released from prison after many years and was trying to get back into Vince's life. There was just a lot for a young guy to handle at once. I think he'll put all that behind him and really improve this year.

 

[Abraham]

And this Vince story is being overblown IMO.

/thread

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The one thing I learned from this thread is that there is a lot of Vince Young hate out there. Yikes... I didn't realize that.

Ooohh...where have you been?

The hate for this guy is laughable, if 99% of you held yourself to the same standard you're holding this 20-something multi-millionaire to, the world would be a better place.

Bingo.

As for the offense, there was talk on the local sports station today, where Frank Wycheck mentioned how VY was overthinking things last year in Chow's offense.

Yeah. Here's what LB Kyle Vanden Bosch gets that Norm Chow never did...

In these OTAs we are doing more things, building the offense around what he does best. He does some things no other quarterback can do. He is not a conventional quarterback. So, he shouldn't be in a conventional offense. I know he gets that. I think we're getting that."

Amen.What I've been saying all along.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

"My teammates helped lift me out of it. I prayed really hard. And I began to focus on God's calling for me. Play football. Be a role model."

Hmmm... being drunk and shirtless at a party must be God's definition of a role model then.

People who get drunk and shirtless at a party can still believe in God and think you have a role to live up to. Wow, he's an imperfect 24-year-old guy. How strange.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Whoa. First of all, anybody slamming VY for enjoying himself at a party with his friends and former teammates needs to settle. Secondly, which one of you is the licensed psychologist who is seeing Vince? I'm assuming it's one or more of you, given that the diagnosis of Major Depressive Disorder is being thrown around so loosely. Until you've had your personal life thrown under a microscope and had complete strangers dissecting your every flaw, reserve your judgment.

Not to mention your career.I forgot the guy's name, but an NHL goalie once said that to understand what his job is like...imagine a big, red siren and loud horn that goes off in your office every time you make a mistake. Literally.

This article seems to have brought out the hate for VY, and I'm not really a fan...but I see where he's coming from and I like him a bit more now. I believe that Jeff Fisher is one of the NFL "good guys" so I think VY is in good hands.

 

[massraider]

The one thing I learned from this thread is that there is a lot of Vince Young hate out there. Yikes... I didn't realize that.

I didn't have much to say in this thread, because I don't think this is a big deal, but I can tell you what my problem is with Vince.I thought when he came out, he had holes, and was more athlete than QB. Basically, all the negatives about his game that a lot of people were saying, I agreed with. Well, except the intelligence thing, I have no idea how bright (or not bright) he is.It was very interesting, and frustrating, to discuss this with Vince believers. Because Vince Young was the first player I can remember whose main attribute was this intangible, this will to win, this unseen force or desire that just overwhelmed opponents.It was explained to us non-believers, rather patronizingly I must say, how Vince beat the mighty USC all by himself, and how could we miss the magic? It didn't matter that there were serious questions about his passing skills, Vince was just going to arrive in Nashville, and this transcendental leadership skill was going to trump any other question marks he had.For me, I root for Vince because an athlete like that, if he can become a good QB, makes the NFL better. I rooted for Vick to succeed as well. But I must admit, there's a part of me that wants a bunch of Vince fanboys to choke down the 'wills his team to win' phrase, so I won't have to read it again.

 

[T Bell]

Until you've had your personal life thrown under a microscope and had complete strangers dissecting your every flaw, reserve your judgment.

Why do you hate FBG's projections?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The one thing I learned from this thread is that there is a lot of Vince Young hate out there. Yikes... I didn't realize that.

I didn't have much to say in this thread, because I don't think this is a big deal, but I can tell you what my problem is with Vince.I thought when he came out, he had holes, and was more athlete than QB. Basically, all the negatives about his game that a lot of people were saying, I agreed with. Well, except the intelligence thing, I have no idea how bright (or not bright) he is.It was very interesting, and frustrating, to discuss this with Vince believers. Because Vince Young was the first player I can remember whose main attribute was this intangible, this will to win, this unseen force or desire that just overwhelmed opponents.It was explained to us non-believers, rather patronizingly I must say, how Vince beat the mighty USC all by himself, and how could we miss the magic? It didn't matter that there were serious questions about his passing skills, Vince was just going to arrive in Nashville, and this transcendental leadership skill was going to trump any other question marks he had.For me, I root for Vince because an athlete like that, if he can become a good QB, makes the NFL better. I rooted for Vick to succeed as well. But I must admit, there's a part of me that wants a bunch of Vince fanboys to choke down the 'wills his team to win' phrase, so I won't have to read it again.

This is true, but you could say that about Patriots fans/haters, Peyton Manning fans/haters, or anyone else. I try not to blame the player or team for their fans or detractors. He's just a wealthy kid with a lot of pressure and has alrady had some success. Personally, I think Jeff Fisher is the most underrated coach in the game but VY had something to do with it. He still has a lot to prove, but he's got a lot of potential. It would be nice if they gave him some more receivers, too.

 

[Afro Samurai]

The one thing I learned from this thread is that there is a lot of Vince Young hate out there. Yikes... I didn't realize that.

Lots of people on the internet suck.......this is not a new development.