Vince Young's Affect on the Eagles? (1 Viewer)

[solorca]

I am hoping that some of you in the Shark Pool can offer some insight into the affect that Vince Young being the likely starter this weekend will have on the skill players for the Eagles. Hopefully through the preseason and maybe some experience in watching him over his career, we can at least get a decent understanding of what he may offer to the team. I expect McCoy to be rather heavily involved in the rushing and passing game, but beyond that, I'm not sure.

Steve Smith may have a chance to produce, as he is good with quick routes and likely has a lot of practice time with Young as the second stringers.

What about Brent Celek and Desean Jackson, Jason Avant, etc.?

Any thoughts?

 

[need2know]

Eagles will suck like they have never sucked before

 

[bushdocda]

Bump no one.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Obviously it depends on the flow of the game, but I'm quite certain the Eagles gameplan will be to run the ball more. I think ideally, they'd like Young to throw it 20-25 times. If they are down big early, obviously that will change things.

Its very hard to say how effective Young will be in this game. We really have no idea how well he will run this offense. The physical ability is there for Young to be good. How well he mentally handles the plays they give him this week remains to be seen.

My prediction:

VY: 14/24 155 yards 1 TD, 5/30 rushing

McCoy: 23/120/1, 4/25 TD

Lewis: 5/25

Jackson 3/39

Avant 2/25

Smith 3/30

Celek 1/15

Cooper 1/20

 

[unckeyherb]

Certain death.

 

[phillybirds]

I certainly don't think it will help them.

Who knows...knowing Andy Reid, he'll have Young throw 50 passes.

If you have the Giant D, play them this week.

 

[solorca]

I own a couple Eagles players and I think I'll be sitting Celek (for Olsen). Obviously starting McCoy.

I think of all the non-McCoy options, Celek has the most chance of doing well, along with Steve Smith.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Eagles fan here. If anything Vy will have a better effect on the real game, for the coaches will be forced to draw u a WINNING game plan that involves a lot of LeSean McCoy. As far as fantasy football, with all the injuries, there will still be better than average production in the passing game.

DeSean is still the guy that can get you 100 yards and a td in 3 catches, I tend not to draft his type high but I did have: Mike Wallace last year, Desean and Maclin in their rookie years, Percy Harvin in his also. All could have been had for cheap and should be considered wr 3's or strong flex plays then a player to build your fantasy team around. Shady is still a stud, Celek gets a bump in ppr, and my sleeper is Riley Cooper who did a good job last year when DeSean was battling injuries. If anyone is going to catch a VY td I'd bet on Cooper. I wouldn't count on Steve Smith or Avant.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I dont think VY will be the QB in two weeks.

 

[Warrior]

I dont think VY will be the QB in two weeks.

Obviously.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I dont think VY will be the QB in two weeks.

Obviously.

Here, let me expand on that. If no other QB was on the roster, I don't think VY would be the QB in two weeks. Better?

 

[renesauz]

Are we 100% sure Young is the guy THIS week? Wouldn't shock me to find AR start Kafka.

 

[gonzobill5]

Reid has an unbelievably good track record of success with backup QBs. Koy Detmer lighting up the 49ers, AJ Feely vs. NE, then more recently - Garcia, Kolb, Vick. Say what you want about Reid, but he is one of the best around at identifying his QBs strengths and getting the most out of them.

 

[Bri]

Obviously it depends on the flow of the game, but I'm quite certain the Eagles gameplan will be to run the ball more. I think ideally, they'd like Young to throw it 20-25 times. If they are down big early, obviously that will change things. Its very hard to say how effective Young will be in this game. We really have no idea how well he will run this offense. The physical ability is there for Young to be good. How well he mentally handles the plays they give him this week remains to be seen. My prediction:VY: 14/24 155 yards 1 TD, 5/30 rushingMcCoy: 23/120/1, 4/25 TDLewis: 5/25Jackson 3/39Avant 2/25Smith 3/30Celek 1/15Cooper 1/20

No to running more, well not traditionally how this is thought of. Then you have a cluster up the middle and nothing being done outside. Didn't work in TEN til CJ bounced outside all the time

 

[Bri]

Vince is a top NFL QB with the game on the line. He has always been and has a long enough short career that I think this is a given now.

The rest of the game, depends where his head is at. He's gone through a ton this past year including returning to Mack Brown and relearning some things.

He's super talented and no one ever doubted that. It's his head in a myriad of ways too.

Gotta see what happens, no way you can predict here.

Iggles have eons better WRs than the Titans even if their injured WRs play while limping or somesuch they're still better.

 

[CalBear]

I think his affect is a bit blunted, like a lot of people with autism spectrum disorders.

 

[Saint]

Are we 100% sure Young is the guy THIS week? Wouldn't shock me to find AR start Kafka.

I'm with you on this one. I like Kafka more than VY.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Are we 100% sure Young is the guy THIS week? Wouldn't shock me to find AR start Kafka.

I'm with you on this one. I like Kafka more than VY.

#DreamTeam

 

[Dizzy]

Vince is a top NFL QB with the game on the line. He has always been and has a long enough short career that I think this is a given now.The rest of the game, depends where his head is at. He's gone through a ton this past year including returning to Mack Brown and relearning some things. He's super talented and no one ever doubted that. It's his head in a myriad of ways too. Gotta see what happens, no way you can predict here.Iggles have eons better WRs than the Titans even if their injured WRs play while limping or somesuch they're still better.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm, but I've seen enough of NFL Vince Young to know that he usually does (at least) one bad thing for every good thing. And I'm not sure the Iggles WR's are "eons better" than anybody.I think Mike Vick caught lightning in a bottle for a little over half a season in 2010, but then the rest of the league started catching up. The PHI offense was pretty lame over their last 3-4 games of 2010 and Vick looks like ATL Vick and I question whether their WR's have what it takes to play the middle of the field.Long-story-short; the rest of the NFL has found a way to neutralize that "explosiveness" that they relied on during their magical run in 2010 and to me it looks like the wheels are coming off and the distractions are creeping in. The offense has been unreliable this season and I don't think Vince Young helps that at all. I think the G-Men deliver the knockout blow Sunday night and we might see both Philly QB's before the game is over.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think his affect is a bit blunted, like a lot of people with autism spectrum disorders.

Do you think his emotional effect will have much of an affect on his playing style. Or, is this affectively one of those situations where talent and scheme effect the final outcome?

 

[AmosMoses]

Vince is a top NFL QB with the game on the line. He has always been and has a long enough short career that I think this is a given now.The rest of the game, depends where his head is at. He's gone through a ton this past year including returning to Mack Brown and relearning some things. He's super talented and no one ever doubted that. It's his head in a myriad of ways too. Gotta see what happens, no way you can predict here.Iggles have eons better WRs than the Titans even if their injured WRs play while limping or somesuch they're still better.

It's not a given that he plays well with the game on the line. You have Young confused with someone else apparently.The dude scored a 3.5 on his Wonderlic test. He's in a new system on a team that will not give him much time to make decisions. Maclin isn't playing and D Jackson is on his own planet. I think it's safe to predict that Young is going to suck the big one this week. Kafka would be a much better choice.

 

[qimqam]

Classic trap game for the Giants ...

At home vs Eagles who have sucked, Vick Out , Maclin questionable ...Giants should kill them but

Vince Young throws for at least 1 and runs for at least 1 ... the final TD comes from behind to beat the Giants in the final minutes

 

[_lurker_]

Clay Harbor, come on down!

 

[Shermanator]

I like Desean almost the same as if Vick were still in there. He cant do any worse. All he needs is one big play to make it worth starting him. With Maclin out, Desean should get a couple more looks. I dont like any of the other receivers. They would need to catch a lot of passes to make it worth starting, and I dont see that happening.

And dont think for one minute McCoy will be leaned on more with Vick out. Dont fool yourself into thinking Reid will change. I can see McCoy possibly catching more dump offs, but not any more carries than usual. Especially since the Eagles will probably be losing all day.

I would start DeSean and McCoy, and no one else

 

[Bayhawks]

I think his affect is a bit blunted, like a lot of people with autism spectrum disorders.

Quick hijack-What does this mean? I did a quick google search for VY and ASD's and I didn't find anything. Does Young have an ASD? I ask because my son was recently diagnosed, and my wife and I have been looking for as much info as possible. It would be a relief to see an example of someone with an ASD who was/is able to function at this high a level. One of our main concerns has been what kind of life he'll have./end hijack.

 

[renesauz]

Vince Young and Mike Kafka split the reps in practice. Fantasy owners shouldn't expect HC Andy Reid to make a decision until Friday at the earliest so plan accordingly.

I THINK Young's geting the start, but Reid has never said that (that I've seen)...it's been inferred by beat writers. Meanwhile, Young and Kafka have split reps in practice. Young made sense as a game day backup, because his style is so similar to Vick's, but Kafka looked better in the preseason, and played decently when called upon earlier this season. Kfka certainly has a better grasp of the offense.Just saying...if you're planning to start Young Sunday NIGHT....I'd rethink that unless you also own Palko (Monday night)or Kafka.ETA: If I were AR and planned to start Kafka....I'd let the whole world think Young was starting until the last possible minute.

 

[CalBear]

I think his affect is a bit blunted, like a lot of people with autism spectrum disorders.

Quick hijack-What does this mean? I did a quick google search for VY and ASD's and I didn't find anything. Does Young have an ASD? I ask because my son was recently diagnosed, and my wife and I have been looking for as much info as possible. It would be a relief to see an example of someone with an ASD who was/is able to function at this high a level. One of our main concerns has been what kind of life he'll have./end hijack.

I was only pointing out that "affect" and "effect" don't mean the same thing. "Affect" used as a descriptor refers to a person's experience of emotions. I am not really saying that Vince Young has an ASD. He definitely has something wrong in the head, though.There are lots of high-functioning people who have an ASD or are speculated to have one. I've worked with a couple and they've been bright and motivated.

 

[Bayhawks]

I think his affect is a bit blunted, like a lot of people with autism spectrum disorders.

Quick hijack-What does this mean? I did a quick google search for VY and ASD's and I didn't find anything. Does Young have an ASD? I ask because my son was recently diagnosed, and my wife and I have been looking for as much info as possible. It would be a relief to see an example of someone with an ASD who was/is able to function at this high a level. One of our main concerns has been what kind of life he'll have./end hijack.

I was only pointing out that "affect" and "effect" don't mean the same thing. "Affect" used as a descriptor refers to a person's experience of emotions. I am not really saying that Vince Young has an ASD. He definitely has something wrong in the head, though.There are lots of high-functioning people who have an ASD or are speculated to have one. I've worked with a couple and they've been bright and motivated.

Oh...okay.I've read about people with Asperger's who are high-functioning, but my son wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's. I'm worried/concerned about his future.Oh, well-back to VY's impact on the Eagles.

 

[Bri]

Vince is a top NFL QB with the game on the line. He has always been and has a long enough short career that I think this is a given now.The rest of the game, depends where his head is at. He's gone through a ton this past year including returning to Mack Brown and relearning some things. He's super talented and no one ever doubted that. It's his head in a myriad of ways too. Gotta see what happens, no way you can predict here.Iggles have eons better WRs than the Titans even if their injured WRs play while limping or somesuch they're still better.

It's not a given that he plays well with the game on the line. You have Young confused with someone else apparently.The dude scored a 3.5 on his Wonderlic test. He's in a new system on a team that will not give him much time to make decisions. Maclin isn't playing and D Jackson is on his own planet. I think it's safe to predict that Young is going to suck the big one this week. Kafka would be a much better choice.

Well I watched his career with the Titans and haven't just thought about his wonderlic score the last several years.

 

[Bri]

Vince is a top NFL QB with the game on the line. He has always been and has a long enough short career that I think this is a given now.The rest of the game, depends where his head is at. He's gone through a ton this past year including returning to Mack Brown and relearning some things. He's super talented and no one ever doubted that. It's his head in a myriad of ways too. Gotta see what happens, no way you can predict here.Iggles have eons better WRs than the Titans even if their injured WRs play while limping or somesuch they're still better.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm, but I've seen enough of NFL Vince Young to know that he usually does (at least) one bad thing for every good thing. And I'm not sure the Iggles WR's are "eons better" than anybody.I think Mike Vick caught lightning in a bottle for a little over half a season in 2010, but then the rest of the league started catching up. The PHI offense was pretty lame over their last 3-4 games of 2010 and Vick looks like ATL Vick and I question whether their WR's have what it takes to play the middle of the field.Long-story-short; the rest of the NFL has found a way to neutralize that "explosiveness" that they relied on during their magical run in 2010 and to me it looks like the wheels are coming off and the distractions are creeping in. The offense has been unreliable this season and I don't think Vince Young helps that at all. I think the G-Men deliver the knockout blow Sunday night and we might see both Philly QB's before the game is over.

It could be. This surely could happen and I think the chances are quite favorable it does.He was an emotional roller coaster in such an extreme way it's really hard to explain and harder to believe. Simply to try and explain-he might want to quit football after an incompletion and expect to be in the hall after completing one. I've never met or seen anyone like him. Supposedly he was getting help with that that included medication and psychologists.He has eaten his crow and he did "hear it" from Mack. He absolutely does realize he was king of the world in Texas and as a rookie and that he threw that all away. Surely thousands, if not millions, thought he needed to go through something like that. I mean this guy had a ton of fans "back in the day" and both his play and his behavior upset them. It's response time. It's- what did he learn from it all?That's all I'm saying. Let's see.If his head isn't in it, Reid should pull him after the second drive. If it is though, we're back to wondering about a superior athlete.

 

[guderian]

I think a lot of people forgot that Young was the 6th rated passer when he got injured last year completing 60% of his passes for 8.1 ypa and a 10/3 TD/INT ratio, but the Young hate has always been so intense that he'll beat the consensus if he can merely find his way to the stadium.

 

[solorca]

I think his affect is a bit blunted, like a lot of people with autism spectrum disorders.

Quick hijack-What does this mean? I did a quick google search for VY and ASD's and I didn't find anything. Does Young have an ASD? I ask because my son was recently diagnosed, and my wife and I have been looking for as much info as possible. It would be a relief to see an example of someone with an ASD who was/is able to function at this high a level. One of our main concerns has been what kind of life he'll have./end hijack.

I was only pointing out that "affect" and "effect" don't mean the same thing. "Affect" used as a descriptor refers to a person's experience of emotions. I am not really saying that Vince Young has an ASD. He definitely has something wrong in the head, though.There are lots of high-functioning people who have an ASD or are speculated to have one. I've worked with a couple and they've been bright and motivated.

For some reason my phone autocorrected my word to say "affect". It's also the reason I seem to always talk about ducks.

 

[unckeyherb]

Ha!

 

[nickel&dime]

Eagles win straight up no matter who the QB is. Oops..wrong thread.

 

[AmosMoses]

Vince is a top NFL QB with the game on the line. He has always been and has a long enough short career that I think this is a given now.The rest of the game, depends where his head is at. He's gone through a ton this past year including returning to Mack Brown and relearning some things. He's super talented and no one ever doubted that. It's his head in a myriad of ways too. Gotta see what happens, no way you can predict here.Iggles have eons better WRs than the Titans even if their injured WRs play while limping or somesuch they're still better.

It's not a given that he plays well with the game on the line. You have Young confused with someone else apparently.The dude scored a 3.5 on his Wonderlic test. He's in a new system on a team that will not give him much time to make decisions. Maclin isn't playing and D Jackson is on his own planet. I think it's safe to predict that Young is going to suck the big one this week. Kafka would be a much better choice.

Well I watched his career with the Titans and haven't just thought about his wonderlic score the last several years.

So do you remember the end of the 2009 season? He played like garbage when they had a chance to go the playoffs.

 

[cvnpoka]

he went 8-2 with a team that collins led to an 0-6 start. he made the pro bowl too. i dunno, hard to say 09 was an indictment of young's performance.

 

[loose circuits]

Giants have a lot of injuries themselves. Should be a good game. Vince will make some plays, his career is on the line. this audition will go a long way in whether or not he's looked at for a starting gig next season- he'll have a lot of competition between Flynn, Josh Johnson, and a very strong rookie QB class

 

[Bri]

bump

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

He just assured he'll be starting somewhere in 2012 IMO.

 

[solorca]

He just assured he'll be starting somewhere in 2012 IMO.

With that game? Yes, they picked up the win, but I certainly didn't see something that would convince a team to make him their franchise player. Sure, he may get signed somewhere and have a chance to compete, but I definitely don't think he proved that he should be a week 1 starter for someone next year.

 

[Bri]

He just assured he'll be starting somewhere in 2012 IMO.

With that game? Yes, they picked up the win, but I certainly didn't see something that would convince a team to make him their franchise player. Sure, he may get signed somewhere and have a chance to compete, but I definitely don't think he proved that he should be a week 1 starter for someone next year.

oh I don't know about starting either. He needs a few more under his belt to earn that. He solidified his role as a decent backup tonight IMO. Fans can call him quality backup and I'd be fine with that too.ETA I am confident that the NFL staffs all want to see how he acts when he loses and/or the O-line stinks. It's his head and all still.

 

[No Way Jose]

Vince being Vince. He could look like garbage 75% of a game and still find a way to win.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Vince being Vince. He could look like garbage 75% of a game and still find a way to win.

Huh? Did you watch last night? Vince wasn't awesome the whole game by any means, but he was pretty far from garbage. How does the game change if the 50 yard completion to DJAX doesn't get called back by DJAX taunting?How does the game change if DJAX does what 95% of other NFL WRs do on the underthrown bomb from Young? You know, try to make a play on it, or at least TRY to make it difficult for the DB to make a pick.Same thing for Riley Cooper in the end zone. VY puts it up for his WR to make a play. The ball isn't in a bad spot. Cooper stumbles, and the DB makes the pick. The Eagle WRs did their QB few favors last night. As for VY's chances of starting in 2012, I'd say they just went up. What really is going to make the difference IMO is what Andy Reid tells VYs potential suitors. Did he work hard? Has he grown up any?

 

[AmosMoses]

This dude is CLUTCH.

 

[Saint]

Are we 100% sure Young is the guy THIS week? Wouldn't shock me to find AR start Kafka.

I'm with you on this one. I like Kafka more than VY.

I'm sticking with my original premise. I like Kafka more than VY.

 

[Deamon]

I've never hated a player on a team I cheer for more then Vince Young. Always have hated him since my buddy who went to Texas said he'd show up at parties wearing his own jersey all the time. We sign him and he brings the whole dream team crap to the media which has caused people to hate the eagles, as well as add motivation to other teams. 4 tds and 9 ints this year. I don't care if he had the game winning drive against the Giants... without his 3 ints we likely wouldn't have needed it. We have lots of reasons for us not being successful this year, and it is not ALL on one person or coach, but Vince has done his share to hurt the eagles this year.

 

[Amused to Death]

Are we 100% sure Young is the guy THIS week? Wouldn't shock me to find AR start Kafka.

I'm with you on this one. I like Kafka more than VY.

I'm sticking with my original premise. I like Kafka more than VY.

I would seriously like to see 4 weeks of Kafka at this point. Why play Vick or Young (who won't be here next year). We need to see what the kid has. They might need to draft a QB next year and it would be nice to see what Kafka has. He can't be worse, can he?

 

[Deamon]

Are we 100% sure Young is the guy THIS week? Wouldn't shock me to find AR start Kafka.

I'm with you on this one. I like Kafka more than VY.

I'm sticking with my original premise. I like Kafka more than VY.

I would seriously like to see 4 weeks of Kafka at this point. Why play Vick or Young (who won't be here next year). We need to see what the kid has. They might need to draft a QB next year and it would be nice to see what Kafka has. He can't be worse, can he?

Agreed. No point in playing VY just to see if we can get to 8-8 as our primary back up next year (Kafka) gets no reps. With Vick an injury risk every time he runs, would be nice for Kafka to get some experience. And really, best case scenario we see him play great, worse case scenario, he's as bad as Vince, or a little worse, and we get a better draft pick.

 

[phillybirds]

I've never hated a player on a team I cheer for more then Vince Young. Always have hated him since my buddy who went to Texas said he'd show up at parties wearing his own jersey all the time. We sign him and he brings the whole dream team crap to the media which has caused people to hate the eagles, as well as add motivation to other teams. 4 tds and 9 ints this year. I don't care if he had the game winning drive against the Giants... without his 3 ints we likely wouldn't have needed it. We have lots of reasons for us not being successful this year, and it is not ALL on one person or coach, but Vince has done his share to hurt the eagles this year.

So you claim to be an Eagles fan? What was up with attacking me early in the season after I vented frustration at Reid and Vick for the poor start?

 

[Deamon]

I've never hated a player on a team I cheer for more then Vince Young. Always have hated him since my buddy who went to Texas said he'd show up at parties wearing his own jersey all the time. We sign him and he brings the whole dream team crap to the media which has caused people to hate the eagles, as well as add motivation to other teams. 4 tds and 9 ints this year. I don't care if he had the game winning drive against the Giants... without his 3 ints we likely wouldn't have needed it. We have lots of reasons for us not being successful this year, and it is not ALL on one person or coach, but Vince has done his share to hurt the eagles this year.

So you claim to be an Eagles fan? What was up with attacking me early in the season after I vented frustration at Reid and Vick for the poor start?

I thought you blocked seeing all my posts