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VJax situation: Post-3 pm deadline (1 Viewer)
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Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
I think the deadline is 6PM
XFLcommish
Footballguy
50 minutes and counting (hoping for no trade or at least not to Seattle).
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netnalp
Footballguy
Maybe it's 3pm PST, which I think is 6pm EST
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
If he does not get dealt there should be a moratorium on v jax, it is a broke record at this point.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
For a guy that's sick of VJax talk you sure do spend a lot of time hanging out in his thread.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
How? Now this is my second post, spent 2 minutes here waiting in line for a haircut. Why you acting like a jerk?
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
30 minutes and counting. 
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Hopefully they sign him last minute to play defensive line or corner.The Chargers did just cut their roster and currently only have 4 receivers on it.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Well, six games minimum I guess
NorrisB
Footballguy
yeah thats what Im thinking. AJ didnt trade Turner why would he trade VJ?
NorrisB
Footballguy
According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Rams have decided against trading for Vincent Jackson.
The Rams "talked about the possibility" of acquiring Jackson but were apparently scared off by his asking price or the Chargers' -- or both. Barring a last-minute surprise, it looks like V-Jax will not be dealt. The Rams will enter the season with Danny Amendola, Laurent Robinson, Keenan Burton, Brandon Gibson, Mardy Gilyard, and Dominique Curry at wide receiver.
The Rams "talked about the possibility" of acquiring Jackson but were apparently scared off by his asking price or the Chargers' -- or both. Barring a last-minute surprise, it looks like V-Jax will not be dealt. The Rams will enter the season with Danny Amendola, Laurent Robinson, Keenan Burton, Brandon Gibson, Mardy Gilyard, and Dominique Curry at wide receiver.
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Rams are the early favorite for the #1 pick next year.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I like the Rams better than several teams, including the Bills, the Chiefs, and the Browns.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Abrantes
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Still some controversy on whether the the 3 game roster exemption counts if he goes to another team
Right. His suspension will end after the third game. As far as I know, he could sign and be traded immediately after that. Then the question is whether the roster-exemption follows him to the new team. The league says it does. The players' union disagrees. (And the players' union has the better argument, IMO.)At this point, though, I think the most likely scenario involves Jackson sitting out the year. He wants money, and I think he'd get more money on the open market whenever he becomes an unrestricted free agent than he would this year when (a) the Chargers can limit where he goes instead of letting him go to the highest bidder of all 31 teams, and (b) another team would have to part with draft-pick (or other) compensation to get him, which may limit how much compensation they'd give to Jackson in addition.
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Dragon1952
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If he sits out all year it gives him more time for drinking. If he gets another DUI waiting for his big payday he may end up screwing himself.
PainTrain
Footballguy
Only half-kidding here, but wouldn't it be great if suspended players had to spend their off-day taking tickets and greeting fans at the turnstiles for that day to count against their suspension? And if perhaps holdouts were required to do the same during their dispute or earn such a game suspension for the no-show? That way, if you make decisions that prevent you from playing, the fans still have the opportunity to see you. You can sign autographs, explain yourself, thank them, or just listen. Face time with ticket holders, since your actions affect them too. If your time off is justified it'll be a pleasure for everyone. If you're just being selfish be ready to talk about it all day with the people who paid to see you play.
Trump Tight
Footballguy
This isn't a suspension though. He's not under contract. Because of the opt-out, Jackson got screwed. This isn't the Revis situation at all.
Jackson is suspended for three games for his two DUIs. He'll serve that suspension in weeks 1-3 even though he isn't under contract.
Guys, don't forget that even if he leaves via Free Agency next year the Chargers would still get a compensatory pick in that years draft, likely a second or a third. If the best they are getting offered is a third now (and given Jackson's contract demands I doubt many team are willing to give up more) there is no reason to not just wait the thing out and get the compensatory pick.
Jackson has screwed himself on this one folks. He has no leverage. It wouldn't surprise me to see him fire his agents in the next two weeks and then sign with the Bolts and blaming them. IMO, if it wasn't for Rivers he wouldn't be considered half the receiver that he is today. I think SD and the other teams know that , which is why they aren't comping at the bit to get him.
Jackson has screwed himself on this one folks. He has no leverage. It wouldn't surprise me to see him fire his agents in the next two weeks and then sign with the Bolts and blaming them. IMO, if it wasn't for Rivers he wouldn't be considered half the receiver that he is today. I think SD and the other teams know that , which is why they aren't comping at the bit to get him.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Assuming there's nothing worked out that pays him more than $3m this year, I agree that Jackson badly overplayed his hand and got some exceptionally bad advice from his agents. Especially given AJ's history you'd think that they might have seen this coming.
A possible complicating factor: if Jackson's agents have lent him money to get him through 2010 (and possibly 2011), there is probably a provision requiring him to repay the loan in full upon firing them.flranger said:
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Just read the chargers tried giving him away cheap yesterday and teams had no problems whatsoever with aj smiths asking price. The only problem is v jax asking for more than Marshall got.
If true, then it's all on VJax IMO. Let him rot.
identikit
Footballguy
Jackson prices himself out of trade
By Kevin Acee, UNION-TRIBUNE
Sunday, September 5, 2010 at 8:48 a.m.
The Seattle Seahawks continued to talk to Vincent Jackson's representatives on Saturday, but "the price was too high," according to a source familiar with the dealings.
That is, the price Jackson was asking was still too high.
I don't know exactly what that price is, but Clark Judge from CBSSports.com talked to one NFC general manager who indicated it was darn near the price reported two weeks ago that was a week later disputed by one of Jackson's agents.
Judge cites the unnamed G.M. saying the Chargers started by asking for the same thing they'd essentially been asking for all offseason -- first-round and third-round picks -- but that price dropped to "almost anything."
The Chargers placed a first-and-third tender on Jackson back in March. That gave Jackson a $3.268 million one-year deal with the Chargers and the right to negotiate with other teams. Had another team signed Jackson, it would have also had to give the Chargers those two draft picks (or another negotiated price).
That did not happen, and Jackson and left tackle Marcus McNeill, also unhappy with his contract status, had their tenders reduced on June 15 by more than $2.5 million. Both are believed to be willing to sit out the season.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/se..._medium=twitter
By Kevin Acee, UNION-TRIBUNE
Sunday, September 5, 2010 at 8:48 a.m.
The Seattle Seahawks continued to talk to Vincent Jackson's representatives on Saturday, but "the price was too high," according to a source familiar with the dealings.
That is, the price Jackson was asking was still too high.
I don't know exactly what that price is, but Clark Judge from CBSSports.com talked to one NFC general manager who indicated it was darn near the price reported two weeks ago that was a week later disputed by one of Jackson's agents.
Judge cites the unnamed G.M. saying the Chargers started by asking for the same thing they'd essentially been asking for all offseason -- first-round and third-round picks -- but that price dropped to "almost anything."
The Chargers placed a first-and-third tender on Jackson back in March. That gave Jackson a $3.268 million one-year deal with the Chargers and the right to negotiate with other teams. Had another team signed Jackson, it would have also had to give the Chargers those two draft picks (or another negotiated price).
That did not happen, and Jackson and left tackle Marcus McNeill, also unhappy with his contract status, had their tenders reduced on June 15 by more than $2.5 million. Both are believed to be willing to sit out the season.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/se..._medium=twitter
a compensatory pick can't be higher than the end of the thirdand it's not even certain there will be a compensatory system in the next CBAflranger said:
1. any traded 3rd round pick will be higher than any compensatory pick2. they can control where he goesflranger said:
He's willing to not play this year to protect his big payday next season, that's all the 'leverage' he needsflranger said:
He's not going to sign for 300k and the Chargers won't offer more than that. He is D-O-N-E with the Chargersflranger said:
I think you are sadly underestimating his capabilities. He could very well do better on a team that throws the ball more and is willing to force it to himflranger said:
Beyond being utter speculation with zero evidence to back it up, any new agent would be happy to loan the money so he could make the switch.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Doesn't he have to play or be rostered a certain amount of time this season to be an unrestricted free agent next year?
Tau837
Footballguy
Compensatory picks are never higher than third rounders. Unless a new CBA changes that. Furthermore, they are end of round picks, meaning compensatory third rounders occur after all regular third round picks. So getting a third rounder that was early in the round could be 30+ picks sooner, and could be a nice upgrade over a compensatory pick.Also, under the current system, teams are awarded compensatory picks based on an assessment of the net effect of free agency, not based on the loss of a single player (unless only a single free agent was signed away from a given team).From Wikipedia:flranger said:
identikit
Footballguy
Vincent Jackson had one-year deal worked out with another NFL team
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 5, 2010 2:38 PM ET
As Florio mentioned earlier today, trading Vincent Jackson is now much more difficult. It turns out that one team finished a deal for him before Saturday's soft deadline.
Florio contacted PFT headquarters from his family reunion to report that Jackson and an NFL team worked out a one-year deal yesterday, according to a league source. But the team and the Chargers couldn't agree on trade terms, scuttling the move for now.
We don't know what team tried to make the move. Seattle showed prior interest, and the Rams surfaced as a potential candidate during the day Saturday.
Yahoo! Sports reported that the Chargers previously asked for a second-round pick in 2011 and a third-round pick in 2012 in exchange for Jackson. That would likely be too expensive a price to pay if the team acquiring Jackson only got him on a one-year rental.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...other-nfl-team/
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 5, 2010 2:38 PM ET
As Florio mentioned earlier today, trading Vincent Jackson is now much more difficult. It turns out that one team finished a deal for him before Saturday's soft deadline.
Florio contacted PFT headquarters from his family reunion to report that Jackson and an NFL team worked out a one-year deal yesterday, according to a league source. But the team and the Chargers couldn't agree on trade terms, scuttling the move for now.
We don't know what team tried to make the move. Seattle showed prior interest, and the Rams surfaced as a potential candidate during the day Saturday.
Yahoo! Sports reported that the Chargers previously asked for a second-round pick in 2011 and a third-round pick in 2012 in exchange for Jackson. That would likely be too expensive a price to pay if the team acquiring Jackson only got him on a one-year rental.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...other-nfl-team/
Foolish move by Jackson... Beyond not living up to the deal that he signed he overplayed his hand by a mile. Now he faces a year w/out playing football and then having to face a 2011 season where there may be no football played at all in the prime of his career.
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and he is back with the Chargers in week 4.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
So chances VJax plays this year? Worth drafting in like the 15+ round?
That report says that VJ had a deal worked out, what's foolish about that?
VJ did live up to the deal that he signed without complaint. He is not under contract right now.
1. If he stays with the Chargers, he will definitely be out 6 weeks2. Not going to happen anyways. VJ will not play for $400k and AJ won't back down.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Don't see how its foolish at all and also don't see how he overplayed his hand. He's worth more than 3 million a year so why risk his big payday by playing for that. He's under no obilgation to the Chargers so why not do whats going to get him the biggest payday with the least amount of risk?
massraider
Footballguy
Foolish move by VJax?He agreed to a deal, the Chargers demanded too much. Now they get nothing for him, maybe a compensatory draft pick next year, maybe not.
Does anyone really think there's no football next year?
That'll depend on the new collective bargaining agreement. The old CBA allowed players with five years of experience to become unrestricted free agents -- except this year. My guess is the new CBA will go back to those terms.
Strong possibility (with NFLPA players, anyway). I don't know if it's more than 50% likely, but it's more than 20% likely, IMO. (At least for part of the season.)
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