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Waiver Wire Ethics (1 Viewer)

By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.
So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."
I take it that this was a question, so I will answer it as one; my point is that an action in a league has more effect than on just the two teams involved. If the team that picked up Jackson is one of the worst in the league it would be better for the league than if it was one of the better teams; a "mistake" like this can really suck for other teams in the league.
 
'Johnny Blood said:
He's your player now. The guy waited for days to say anything, and waivers have already processed. In fact he waited until someone else called out his idiotic move before he said anything.
Gee, do you think that might be because he didn't notice he had dropped Jackson unintentionally?Give him back. Don't be that guy.
 
'Johnny Blood said:
He's your player now. The guy waited for days to say anything, and waivers have already processed. In fact he waited until someone else called out his idiotic move before he said anything.
Gee, do you think that might be because he didn't notice he had dropped Jackson unintentionally?Give him back. Don't be that guy.
Might be, but the fact that his story makes no sense and it's impossible to drop people from the Fleaflicker trading block screen makes me think it might be because he's ashamed of his stupid move and cooked up a dumb story after other people remarked on his blunder.Either way his roster sat for days lacking Fred Jackson, for which he is to blame.
 
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'smarchit said:
Earlier this week, a team in my dynasty league waived Fred Jackson. It seemed suspicious, but there were no other comments by the team owner claiming a mistake at the time. I noticed the move about 12 hours later when I was reviewing my WW claims. While it definitely did not seem like a very above board move, I also would've had a difficult time letting him slip past my #1 priority. So I adjusted my moves and added him to my team. If I didn't, somebody else would've jumped on him.Later in the day, after claims had processed, another owner finally broke the silence on the league board and expressed disbelief that Jackson was dropped in a dynasty, or any league for that matter, and questioned if it was a mistake. The original owner has now come out and said that it was a mistake, and that he has "asked several times for his return" (although that league message board post is the first contact I have from him). Claims that he tried to "drop him in the trade block, and ended up dropping him off my team." For those of you that are familiar with the Fleaflicker layout that this league uses, you will see that making that kind of error is very difficult to do. Adding players to the trading block and cutting players from your team are two distinct actions made from completely different pages. There is no drop down option that could have led to this mistake. And even if you do manage to accidentally cut the wrong player, an "Are you sure?" secondary prompt is presented before the move is finalized. So while I believe that the drop was a mistake (not a move anybody in their right mind would make), I also have a hard time believing that it went down the way the original owner stated. The fact that his post already contains one confirmed lie in addition to this explanation doesn't help gaining my sympathy.What would be the proper way to handle this situation? Should it just be a reversal of all moves? Or am I in a position to only return Jackson if an acceptable trade can be worked out? Don't want to upset the apple cart, but also don't want to just give up what may be rightly mine. Since my vision is likely biased from being directly involved, what are the views of the masses?
Cutting players in Fleaflicker is a completely different process than putting players on or removing from the Trade Block. There is no accidental way to cut a player in Fleaflicker.
 
Either way his roster sat for days lacking Fred Jackson, for which he is to blame.
this is what responders lead me to believe when I first read this post (my intial reaction was that owner is an idiot), but the OP's statements seem to suggest otherwise.
I noticed the move about 12 hours later when I was reviewing my WW claims.
Later in the day, after claims had processed, another owner finally broke the silence on the league board and expressed disbelief that Jackson was dropped in a dynasty, or any league for that matter, and questioned if it was a mistake.
The original owner has now come out and said that it was a mistake, and that he has "asked several times for his return" (although that league message board post is the first contact I have from him). Claims that he tried to "drop him in the trade block, and ended up dropping him off my team."
From these statements it seems the owner dropped Jackson, OP noticed it 12 hours after the drop, and later that day the waivers processed, meaning all of this took place in a matter of a day. That to me shows this is an accident. I'm not sure where you're getting that the owner waited days.
 
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Good catch, I was wrong about that.

His story still doesn't make sense and you can't accidentally drop someone when removing them from the trading block on Fleaflicker. I'm not saying it requires two clicks or whatever, it simply is not possible period. So he is saying he went to his team page, went to his roster (not the trading block), clicked on "cut" next to Jackson, then clicked yes again on the confirmation page, and this is what he thought you would do to remove him from the trading block.

Yet he put Jackson on the trading block, so he already knows that is an entirely different screen.

 
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I need more information. Did he just drop Jackson without adding another player? If he just dropped Jackson, I believe his story that he was trying to work with the trading block. Why would he just flat-out just drop one of the top scorers this season?? Also, if he thought he added or removed Jackson from the trading block, he could have just left the website without noticing his action in the transactions. Most people check the transaction list after making a move to see that it shows there - don't they? Why look there if you don't think you made a transaction??

OTOH - if his drop of Jackson was accompanied by an add for another player then his excuse doesn't work for me.

Either way, I try to work out a way to give him back his player as long as I get some type of compensation for what I lost in the move. I would rather win the league because I am the best - not because I was able to take advantage of a bad situation.

 
Even if he didn't add another player he may have put in a failed waiver claim. Lots of people drop players before putting in their claims, which is senseless but they do it.

 
Good catch, I was wrong about that.His story still doesn't make sense and you can't accidentally drop someone when removing them from the trading block on Fleaflicker. I'm not saying it requires two clicks or whatever, it simply is not possible period. So he is saying he went to his team page, went to his roster (not the trading block), clicked on "cut" next to Jackson, then clicked yes again on the confirmation page, and this is what he thought you would do to remove him from the trading block. Yet he put Jackson on the trading block, so he already knows that is an entirely different screen.
He could of went to the trading block, clicked the players name, and then clicked cut from the player page, thinking it would drop him from the block. Yeah, it's still kind of dumb, but I could see it happening. And since Fred Jackson was on the block, makes sense that the owner was looking to get some compensation, not just drop him outright.
 
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Give him back, bro. I did the same thing last season and accidentally dropped Hakeem Nicks. I told the commish and the other owners in my league what happened and he was returned to my team immediately.
You know you did that accidentally. We don't know that this guy did "the same thing." In fact if the OP is telling the truth this guy didn't tell the commish or the other owners.Are you also saying you tried to take someone off FleaFlicker's trading block and accidentally cut them? Can you explain how? You can't even cut players from that screen.
This didn't happen on Fleaflicker.....it was on CBS.
 
His story still doesn't make sense...
But you think the story that he intentionally dropped a top-3 RB makes sense?
It's stupid but makes sense, i.e. there's nothing mysterious about it. Great players get dropped every day by idiots, especially going into their bye weeks. There's nothing rare or mysterious about it, it happens every single day. It's a lot more likely he made a stupid decision than he somehow dropped a player from the trading block screen. Have you used the Fleaflicker trading block screen?
 
Ignorants is not an excuse...."sorry pal, pay attention" is what I would say....lesson learned.
:lol: Gets me every time.

Keeping Fred Jackson will be the start of the downfall of your league. It will start spreading discontent and things will slowly unravel. Don't be a jerk - use common sense.

Reverse the transactions and make sure everyone pokes fun at the owner for being a drunken moron. Then go make a lowball offer for Fred.

 
This is an easy one. It was a mistake. Give the guy his player back.

I would feel awful if I kept that player.

 
His story still doesn't make sense...
But you think the story that he intentionally dropped a top-3 RB makes sense?
It's stupid but makes sense, i.e. there's nothing mysterious about it. Great players get dropped every day by idiots, especially going into their bye weeks. There's nothing rare or mysterious about it, it happens every single day. It's a lot more likely he made a stupid decision than he somehow dropped a player from the trading block screen. Have you used the Fleaflicker trading block screen?
But it is possible he went to the trading block and clicked on the players name, then dropping him from the player page. If he went through the trading block to get to the player name, he could have thought he was dropping him from the block. It's the only thing I can think of and it's somewhat plausible.
 
By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.
So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."
Exactly. While I am opposed to a commissioner micromanaging league transactions, in order to maintain a competitive balance and the integrity of the league it is necessary to disallow a move such as this, whether intentional or accidental. Putting aside the competitive needs of the team who waived Jackson, consider the remaining teams who have been put at an unfair competitive disadvantage here through no action of their own. The deal should be promptly reversed and whatever steps necessary taken to restore the waiver wire order. Swift and decisive action by the Commissioner would be all together proper and fitting.
Ok. So I drafted Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Ryan Fitzpatrick this year. Lucky me, right? Except I also drafted Jamaal Charles and Mark Ingram. I'm hurting at running back hardcore. I tried to trade Fitzpatrick to one of the 3 teams who I think really need a QB, but they won't budge for fair value (and one of them has crap at RB as well). So this week I'm dropping Fitzpatrick to pick up Maurice Morris, who appears to be my best shot at a #1 RB at this point, throwing Fitzpatrick to the wolves, so to speak, despite not being nearly fair value. It seems like the best move for me, rather than to continue to lose with 3 number 1 QB's on my roster, though it will probably affect the balance of power among the other teams in the league unfairly, as *someone* is going to get Fitzpatrick now for nearly nothing.As commissioner, are you going to step in to prevent this travesty of competitive fairness and prevent me from making this drop/add?
 
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Too much analysis here. Would you really feel good about profiting in this way? If Jackson led you to a championship, wouldn't you feel just the least bit guilty? I know I would, but on the other hand, I've played with lots of cutthroat, unconscionable people, so maybe I'm in the minority here.

What I don't understand is why anyone would drop any player, let alone one of this year's fantasy studs, without picking up someone else. If this guy did pick up another player, then perhaps it's a different story, but if he just dropped a player summarily, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume he made a mistake. If he did mean to cut Jackson, he is perhaps one of the dumbest fantasy owners I've ever heard of. Does this fit into his personna? Has he been playing fantasy football long? Does he usually seem to know what's going on?

Really, do the right thing and give him back his player.

 
His story still doesn't make sense...
But you think the story that he intentionally dropped a top-3 RB makes sense?
:goodposting: Not only intentionally dropped, but then protested the drop once it was made public. Seems FAR more likely that it was a foolish mistake than some sort of crazy attempt at gaining an advantage.Have we ascertained the advantage he gained yet, or are we still speculating upon that as well?
 
'emge said:
It was a mistake, but it is the owners fault. Not your fault enjoy and keep Fred Jackson. "hey i guys i made a mistake too, I didn't mean to draft Jamaal Charles, I meant to draft Calvin Johnson with my 1st round pick""hey i meant to put a claim for Morris instead of Ronnie Brown, but someone else claimed Morris after me, shouldn't I be given Morris?"
:goodposting: Love it, but doubt many others would agree. I gotta try this at the track tomorrow: "uhhh ... mister parimutuel clerk ... I really wanted to bet 1,000 to win on the horse that just finished first ... can I get a do over? C'mon, gimme a mulligan here, baby needs a new pair of shoes!"
 
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Do the right thing. Be someone people look up to and respect. Not some schmuck no one wants anything to do with after the season's over.

 
Find it funny that other managers did not whine about it until the OP's claim had gone through. My guess is that they were also trying to snatch Jackson off of waivers.

I am kind of surprised by the amount on people on theses boards that are always willing to forgive managers for the stupid mistakes that they make. When does a manager become responsible for his screwups? Supposed mistaken drops, supposed mistaken trades, etc. etc, tend to get a free pass on here. In reality, these "mistakes" are almost always the type that are/were avoidable had the original manager been paying even a tiny bit of attention. Waiting until after the claim had gone through, and other managers complained, before the original owner said anything tells me that he truly did intend (for some stupid reason) to drop Jackson.

Keep Jackson and the original owner can chalk it up to a lesson learned the hard way. BTW...for those who say it may tarnish a championship, I say, this is exactly the type of thing that waiver wire claims are made for.

 
Give him back, bro. I did the same thing last season and accidentally dropped Hakeem Nicks. I told the commish and the other owners in my league what happened and he was returned to my team immediately.
That is understandable.. the way the OP makes it sound however is that this owner dropped Jackson, waited for the entire WW 2 days to pass. Then when Jackson was picked up by someone he jumped up and said "Oh no, I meant to remove him from my trade block not my team give him back plz".Imo, I'd keep Jackson. To me it sounds like the guy got trashed and decided to look at FFB and didn't notice until after he resolved off waivers that he dropped Jackson. Now, unless the Commish comes forward stating that he had several messages from the owner directly after dropping Jackson saying he did it on accident. If that is the case and the Commish simply didn't look at his messages for a few days then Jackson should be giving back along with all Waiver Claims reset, or at least you should be given first claim if someone you wanted was claimed by another team. I know for example in my league only 2 waiver claims were made this week so that wouldn't be a hard thing to reverse.
 
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Find it funny that other managers did not whine about it until the OP's claim had gone through. My guess is that they were also trying to snatch Jackson off of waivers.
Either that or most of the others in the league didn't notice. Many people are too busy to check the league website on a daily basis.

 
Ignorants is not an excuse...."sorry pal, pay attention" is what I would say....lesson learned.
:lol: Gets me every time.

Keeping Fred Jackson will be the start of the downfall of your league. It will start spreading discontent and things will slowly unravel. Don't be a jerk - use common sense.

Reverse the transactions and make sure everyone pokes fun at the owner for being a drunken moron. Then go make a lowball offer for Fred.
:goodposting:
 
By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.
So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."
Exactly. While I am opposed to a commissioner micromanaging league transactions, in order to maintain a competitive balance and the integrity of the league it is necessary to disallow a move such as this, whether intentional or accidental. Putting aside the competitive needs of the team who waived Jackson, consider the remaining teams who have been put at an unfair competitive disadvantage here through no action of their own. The deal should be promptly reversed and whatever steps necessary taken to restore the waiver wire order. Swift and decisive action by the Commissioner would be all together proper and fitting.
Ok. So I drafted Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Ryan Fitzpatrick this year. Lucky me, right? Except I also drafted Jamaal Charles and Mark Ingram. I'm hurting at running back hardcore. I tried to trade Fitzpatrick to one of the 3 teams who I think really need a QB, but they won't budge for fair value (and one of them has crap at RB as well). So this week I'm dropping Fitzpatrick to pick up Maurice Morris, who appears to be my best shot at a #1 RB at this point, throwing Fitzpatrick to the wolves, so to speak, despite not being nearly fair value. It seems like the best move for me, rather than to continue to lose with 3 number 1 QB's on my roster, though it will probably affect the balance of power among the other teams in the league unfairly, as *someone* is going to get Fitzpatrick now for nearly nothing.As commissioner, are you going to step in to prevent this travesty of competitive fairness and prevent me from making this drop/add?
No, not at all, but if of all your QB's you picked Rodgers it might of raised an eyebrow with me. I would also say that if you waived your best player, you said it was a mistake, nothing changed with his status (say a projected injury turns out to be nothing), and that you didn't pick up another player - then I absolutely would return the player. If I played in this league and Jackson went to the team below me and he knocked me out of the playoffs because of this obvious error, I would be pissed. Please don't read into the original OP or my post any deeper than necessary. The guy said he made a mistake and it obvious to everyone that this is not a logical move; what question needs to be answered except why is the Jackson recipient being so obtuse (I will not use a more appropriate word). The remedy: cancel out all the WW moves and have another round of blind bidding. If this is a dynasty league these sort of problems are just compounded and I have examples if you want them.
 
stop analyzing if the drop was possible from so and so page or not. It's pretty easy to decide if it was a mistake or not if you just look at the circumstances.

is his team stacked at RB? does he even start Jackson? was he putting him on the trading block because he wasn't starting him? did he pick up another player? is this a small bench league? was his starting lineup filled with BYES? is this a knowledgable owner?

 
'phillybirds said:
No one with any common sense would drop him unless it was a mistake. Only a total ####head would insist on keeping him. Right thing to do is give him back.
Could it have been a sneaky drop so some one else could add him? In other words, someone(s) trying to be clever with their collusion? OP just screwed it up by having higher priority? If it really is difficult to accidentally cut someone, then I think you have to at least wonder if Davis was actually accidentally cut.
 
Has anyone seen in their history of Fantasy Football, redraft or dynasty or keeper or whatever, drop a current TOP 5 scoring RB during the season without an injury? Cmon man! :deadhorse:

 
It should have been set up in the beginning of the season that any player ranked in the top 10 at their respective position should be placed on the "Can't Cut List" so these types of situations can be avoided. No one in their right mind would drop a top 10 player at a postion (excluding K's and DEF/ST's).

Since this was obviously not the case with your league, I think you should give Fred Jackson back or it will be a dark cloud over your league for the rest of the season.

 
It should have been set up in the beginning of the season that any player ranked in the top 10 at their respective position should be placed on the "Can't Cut List" so these types of situations can be avoided. No one in their right mind would drop a top 10 player at a postion (excluding K's and DEF/ST's).

Since this was obviously not the case with your league, I think you should give Fred Jackson back or it will be a dark cloud over your league for the rest of the season.
Excellent, EXCELLENT point.
 
It should have been set up in the beginning of the season that any player ranked in the top 10 at their respective position should be placed on the "Can't Cut List" so these types of situations can be avoided. No one in their right mind would drop a top 10 player at a postion (excluding K's and DEF/ST's).

Since this was obviously not the case with your league, I think you should give Fred Jackson back or it will be a dark cloud over your league for the rest of the season.
Excellent, EXCELLENT point.
Terrible, TERRIBLE point.Scott freaking Chandler would've been undroppable under that rule this season.

 
It should have been set up in the beginning of the season that any player ranked in the top 10 at their respective position should be placed on the "Can't Cut List" so these types of situations can be avoided. No one in their right mind would drop a top 10 player at a postion (excluding K's and DEF/ST's).

Since this was obviously not the case with your league, I think you should give Fred Jackson back or it will be a dark cloud over your league for the rest of the season.
Excellent, EXCELLENT point.
Terrible, TERRIBLE point.Scott freaking Chandler would've been undroppable under that rule this season.
ya I hate can't cut list, they have no clue who should be held or dropped. decent fantasy leagues don't need to be watched over like that.
 
It should have been set up in the beginning of the season that any player ranked in the top 10 at their respective position should be placed on the "Can't Cut List" so these types of situations can be avoided. No one in their right mind would drop a top 10 player at a postion (excluding K's and DEF/ST's).

Since this was obviously not the case with your league, I think you should give Fred Jackson back or it will be a dark cloud over your league for the rest of the season.
Excellent, EXCELLENT point.
Terrible, TERRIBLE point.Scott freaking Chandler would've been undroppable under that rule this season.
Or any injured player who was in the top 10 when they were severely injured....or a slew of kickers or defenses you might want to cut.... cant cut lists are bad bad things and used only in free leagues without commisioners to help prevent collusion.
 
Sometimes as a commish, you have to take one for the league. If you're commish, give FJax back. You know it was an accident and the move slightly unbalances the fairness of the league. Nobody would drop the #1 fantasy RB so far on purpose, and you shouldn't get to pick him up after.

However, if you're not commish, you have to defer and let him decide. If he says it's dropper beware and there's no big stink put up by the league, you get to keep FJax. And find a new league next season if possible.

 
The guy is an idiot... If this is a league full of friends with a low buy in, give him back.. Not worth losing friends over.

If he contends that he made a mistake and accidentally dropped him, didn't claim to be utterly hammered and doesn't remember dropping him, then a sobber person either couldn't have made this mistake, or would have rectified it immediately..

I suspect the other owner said "man, I would have given you 'X' player for him" Now he wants him back because someone told him he shouldn't have dropped him..

 
Keep Jackson.

The guys in the league I commish are grown men who are responsible for their own actions when making transactions.

Hindsight's a #####, huh?

 
Give him back, bro. I did the same thing last season and accidentally dropped Hakeem Nicks. I told the commish and the other owners in my league what happened and he was returned to my team immediately.
seems you play in a classier league than most of those responding to this post.
 
By letting this to go down, your commissioner isn't just punishing the owner that made a stupid move, he is allowing an unfair balance in the league.
So whether it was an accident is irrelevant, if doing something is justified on the basis of avoiding "an unfair balance in the league."
I take it that this was a question, so I will answer it as one; my point is that an action in a league has more effect than on just the two teams involved. If the team that picked up Jackson is one of the worst in the league it would be better for the league than if it was one of the better teams; a "mistake" like this can really suck for other teams in the league.
Huh?The record (or perceived strength) of the team that made the FJax acquisition should have no bearing on this at all. On what basis can you conclude that it's better for this league if a weaker team made the acquisition?

 
In every real "oops" situation where someone drops a player by accident, it is followed by a message board post or email the league or email the commish stating the error and asking for a reversal. I don't get the impression the original owner did any of these things.

IMO, if I saw a drop like this with no mea culpa through the waiver period, I would assume the drop was intentional and keep the player. If the original owner makes a mistake and asks to get it corrected, fine. Fix the mistake. If he doesn't ask, I have to assume he executed the transaction he wanted, and now has second thoughts.

 

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