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http://birdwatching.freedomblogging.com/20...es-at-practice/Leinart has looked solid so far. This move, and the coach wanting Warner to have time with the starters makes me wonder. I'm a big believer that Warner is the starting QB by week 4.
what he saidalso no OL depth to utilize both QBs
Well from what I have heard is that AZ is trying to build its team like the older Ravens...great defense, solid running game, and a QB who can manage the offense. They want Leinart to be that QB.The issue is that the offense isn't built like that currently with its WRs and its poor oline. This is the current dilemna...ideally they would like a different offense that Leinart can control, however the current offense is better suited for Warner to audible at the line and sling the ball downfield.So even though Warner is the better QB now, do you effectively give up on Leinart to win within the next couple years. Considering the Cards haven't been to the playoffs in 10 years and the season ticket base is growing weaker by the year with every year the stadium is less of a draw and the team is, the Cards' management may feel that a playoff run with Warner this year is better for the long term revenue of the Cards over the potential of Leinart.If Warner was really the backup, it's not like Leinart has so much experience that he doesn't need to play with the first team. If Warner stinks it up with the first unit its an easy decision. If Warner lights it up this weekend it is on.
But the Ravens didn't have Fitz & Boldin, just doesn't make sense in my opinion.
I agree. If that's the offense they want, they need to retool the entire offense. Which is another reason why I would bet hard cash that Boldin is traded after this year like I have heard before.Management honestly doesn't know what to do here. Although this is the cardinals so it isn't really a surprise.
.. and the reason that I honestly have NO idea which way this will go. Strongly agree with the majority thus far; Warner is better and should win this job. IF - big one - they want to win and be successful. As we just saw with GB...it's not always about what seems best on the surface.
paging LHUCKS.. haha
Yeah.
Are these rumors coming from credible sources?
If Leinert was the guy, who cares if Warner didn't get any reps. The starter is the starter......this shows me the coaches aren't fully committed on Leinert this season and he could be on a very short leash.You don't bench your young starting QB because your backup didn't get any reps last preseason game......come on.
If that's the case it shouldn't be long before Warner snags the starting spot yet again.
I don't think anyone would argue that, but he may be losing it.
If ya feel like googling, Whisenhunt did plan this out this way and you really would feel that you shouldn't take anything from it. One guy gets week 1, the other gets week 2.At the time, the two backup Ts weren't even with the team a week and the backup C was starting. Whisenhunt all but said he was afraid one would get killed playing with the backup Oline. He didn't want an injury that(in theory) could be prevented to decide the QB battle but, instead let their play decide it.Also, there's blogs out there where people(true or not) are keeping track of who practices with the 1s. Last I checked Leinart was almost always with the 1s while Warner was playing way better with the 2nd unit. To me it's Whisenhunt giving Leinart eevry opportunity before he says "look I gave ya a shot but Warner's better." To others, it's Whisenhunt showing it's Leinart's job to lose.I'm hoping week 3 starter and practice up to week 3 will help straighten this out. Again though, I don't think you can "read into" Warner starting in week 2. If he does great, well there's something but the start was planned.
what would your odds be for week 2?
Leinart will lose it.
He may start week one simply because they're not ready to write off Leinart no matter how much better Warner looks. But he won't keep it. Warner has been much, much better. Leinart will lose his job at some point this season and NOT because of injuries.Do you really think they were doing QBBC for the heck of it last season? They just couldn't keep Warner off the field but they weren't/aren't ready to call Matt a bust. Patience is always needed but they can't afford to lose all their games while their supposed franchise qb shows little improvement. Warner was stealing the job last season and he'll steal it this year as well.What would you care to bet?
What kind of odds do I get on the chances of him getting pulled for performance?
Even many Leinart critics have admitted there's a good chance he'll start the season. I don't believe his chance of keeping the job are all that great. If you disagree then name the stakes.
I would have to think about that...that's pretty hard to handicap for an entire season...a lot of factors.
I believe you, that just doesn't make a lot of sense. If I'm running the show, I give my young QB every opportunity to play with the starters. I'm in the corner that thinks Warner is a better QB, with that said, who really cares if Warner gets preseason time with the first team.Is Aaron Rodgers getting benched tonight so that his backup can get some more playing time with the first team or is Aaron Rodgers going to get all the reps he can since he's the one leading the team into the regular season?These questions aren't directed towards you, I know you're just passing along the info and I appreciate that. I'm just arguing against the philosphy here.....I would think Leinert would need every rep they can give him.
Leinart won't get benched for at least a month outside of injury and even then it'll have to be if he's playing pretty bad.Would you feel this strongly about Leinart if he would have been a Michigan QB or is there a college influence here? You have to admit Warner outplayed the kid last year.
Uhhh no. It's based on my eyes...Leinart is going to be a great QB if he can stay injury free...not good, GREAT. Warner should be on another team starting somewhere because he is still a very good QB, but Leinart has big, big upside and the coaching staff sees it everyday. I've probably heard about 10 Whisenhunt interviews this year regarding Leinart...all of them are glowing reports on Leinart. Anybody who thinks Leinart is going to be benched because of subpar performance here and there, really isn't in tune with the QB situation here in the valley. All of you now owe me 10 bucks for this service I've provided.
All of this is true...if you live in Phoenix, you get it.
if Warner is the starter for most of the season....Matt probably won't be on the roster next year.if Matt is the starter for most of the season...Warner won't be on the roster next year.Which do u think makes more sense for the Cardinals long term.
This has been my assessment all summer.But...for the first time, I'm beginning to consider the possibility of a surprise announcement prior to week one. It hasn't been a big issue (at least not as big as you would think) here, but the Warner movement is gaining some momentum. I know what the preseason means, but if Warner marches the team down for 6 on the opening drive tonight, the movement will only get stronger. Cards fans are starving for a post season appearance. The defense is vastly improved, they are cumming off an 8-8 record and just missed the playoffs last year, The division is weak, Seattle is vulnerable, and the Cards had their best offensive out put under Warner since moving to the Valley. We can smell the post season, and think the Cardinals are very close to hosting a playoff game. I have been rooting for Leinart to win the job, as I felt it was the best decision for the Cards long term. I still think Leinart is our guy, the team will be better long term if he gets in there now, but as a playoff starved Cards fan, I'm now checking for an open spot on the Warner bandwagon.I'm not sure I buy the "Leinart will struggle and get pulled argument". If he gets the job on day one, I think he will keep it. What I am saying is that for the first time all summer, I can imagine Warner under center on the opening drive in San Fransisco. My money is still on Leinart, but it is gonna get a lot more interesting.-FEDERAL
i'm factoring in injury risk too, but i think what makes the most sense is scoring points, which Warner does better
Your thinking like a NFL fan or a coach who's deal is up at the end of the year and has to win now or lose his job.The franchise is thinking about what it needs to be succesful for future years. Warner isn't part of that equation. Finding out if Matt can be a solid starting QB IS!.He has only started 15 games in his career.And its not like he played poorly in all those games.
what is with all this "the defense is vastly improved" talk. Our defense sucks.We have no quality CB's and have a rookie CB on on side and a 1st time saftey next to himWe have 0 depth on defense..if we suffer 2 or 3 injuries we'll be godawful.
i don't disagree with what you're saying. age and the quest for a "franchise" QB absolutely factors in. if both of these guys were the same age is there any doubt who would be starting? not to me.but Leinart is potentially the future so he will almost certainly begin the season as the starter, which is fine. i'm just saying that i put the chances that either:a) he gets injuredb) he plays bad enough that they realize he's not the future franshise QB, orc) they throw that out the window and decide to win now (in the hunt for a playoff spot)are prett good in my opinion.
An owner that has to pay "zillions" for a new stadium has very interesting questions as to which way to go and it is all 100% about what will make fans come to games and buy merchandise. I can see both sides of the fence here.Curious how you guys feel about it if you think of Leinart vs Warner as solely team income related
Stadium is financed by hotel and car rental taxes, but the question is still valid. I think the Bidwells are the last of the big sports teams owner where their income is soley derived from the team.To answer your questions, it's about wins. Leinart is more marketable, but if Warner gives them the best shot to host a playoff game, then he is the guy that can put more money in the owners pocket.
Don't want to hijack this thread, but you are wrong. The Defense was actually performing fairly well early last year (at least compared to the second half). Injuries did kill them last year, they had ZERO depth. Those issues have been addressed, and quite well I believe. Last year they struggled with the losses of Okeafer, Berry, Wilson, etc. The Cards were pulling guys in off the street to fill out the roster. They lost Pace, but added Laboy, Haggens, and Robinson, drafted promising rookies Campbell & Iwebema to help with the depth and pass rush. Holt was garbage at safety, he's gone. Rolle showed he can be a difference maker playing the nickel and the move to safety should let him use those skills in a starters roll. They have Wilson, Berry, and Okeafer back. They drafted DRC, an exciting play maker to fill the 3rd corner spot as Hood and Green did an admirable job considering there was ZERO pass rush late last year. The new copy cat trend is rotating defensive line to achieve a pass rush. Watch what the Giants did to the Patriots in the SuperBowl. The Cardinals are basically 18 deep on defense this year. DC Pendergrast has been remolding the defense into a blitzing machine with guys coming from every direction. I'm excited about what they have done, it will be a very entertaining unit.
