Why? French is no stud prospect. He's ok, but not an uber prospect.I like this trade for the Tigers. Not that Washburn is a stud, but he's ok.According to MLB.com's Noah Coslov, the Tigers have acquired Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners for LHPs Luke French and Mauricio Robles.I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Yeah, the Tigers sold high on French. I was afraid they were going to have to give up Crosby or someone else in the minors with a much better upside than him.Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
And Seattle didn't sell high on Washburn?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.I realize French is most likely major league #5 material or middle relief, but he is still developing his slider and costs next to nothing.I don't know much at all about Robles.I just don't see Washburn as anyone's piece to the puzzle.Yeah, the Tigers sold high on French. I was afraid they were going to have to give up Crosby or someone else in the minors with a much better upside than him.Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
This part. Is there data to support these claims or is that your observation?I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.Which part?Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.
Hes a decent #3 pitcher this year. They got a future #5 and another prospect who I dont know much about. Any insight Tiger fans? If he is an A level prospect then it was a good move by the M's.And Seattle didn't sell high on Washburn?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.I realize French is most likely major league #5 material or middle relief, but he is still developing his slider and costs next to nothing.I don't know much at all about Robles.I just don't see Washburn as anyone's piece to the puzzle.Yeah, the Tigers sold high on French. I was afraid they were going to have to give up Crosby or someone else in the minors with a much better upside than him.Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
He improves their starting rotationI just don't see the end game in adding Washburn for Detroit, but then again I almost always side on the prospect side of a MLB trade.
He improves their starting rotationI just don't see the end game in adding Washburn for Detroit, but then again I almost always side on the prospect side of a MLB trade.![]()
Well he's not a 10 million dollar pitcher, he's a 4 million dollar pitcher with 3 months left on his contract. Now to the ballparks...Comerica is barely more favorable either this year, or in past years compared to Safeco. RK PARK NAME RUNS HR H 2B 3B BB 14 Comerica Park (Detroit, Michigan) 1.025 0.911 0.950 0.979 1.484 1.134 16 Safeco Field (Seattle, Washington) 0.980 0.933 1.017 0.871 1.190 1.143In 2006, 2007, and 2008 Safeco was the tougher hitters parkIn 2002, 2003, and 2005 Comerica was the tougher hitters parkBoth are -2 HR parks and both are ++ triples parks and minus doubles parks. In fact I think the dimensions of the two parks is about the same (and they are).And Seattle didn't sell high on Washburn?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
Also how is Seattle to Detroit a major downgrade in defense? Granderson>>>>GutierrezIchiro>>>>>>MagglioIchiro>>>Clete ThomasLF is probably a push. So there goes that argument, want to start over?Comerica: 345-L, 382-LC, 420-C, 365-RC, 330-RSafeco: 315-L, 362-LC, 435-C, 373 RC, 326-R
How could a guy with a 1.06 WHIP not be helpful to Detroit this year? They can get a Type B return for him next year and let him walk if he's too expensive. The retun on a Type B FA is going to similar to what they just gave the Mariners.I just don't see Washburn as anyone's piece to the puzzle.
This part. Is there data to support these claims or is that your observation?I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.Which part?Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.
Park factors:http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactorThis part. Is there data to support these claims or is that your observation?I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.Which part?
Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.
Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
I am just realistic. The tigers are a bottom 5 team in the MLB scoring 3 runs or less. Nice move getting the 3rd starter but if they want to have a real chance in Yankee stadium or Fenway they need a big bat. The Redsox just pulled a huge bat that is probably better than all but Cabrera.Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
You can win games all sorts of ways when you're behind by a run late. When you're down 4 or 5 is when you need a plethora of hitters.Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Saying you wish that Detroit had a real GM is not being realistic. DD had done a good job turning the Tigers from the worse team in baseball to a team that went to the World Series and can is in a position to compete for a division title. You may be a little spoiled by the Red Wings. Not every team in Detroit is going to be in fighting for the title every other year.I am just realistic. The tigers are a bottom 5 team in the MLB scoring 3 runs or less. Nice move getting the 3rd starter but if they want to have a real chance in Yankee stadium or Fenway they need a big bat. The Redsox just pulled a huge bat that is probably better than all but Cabrera.Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
You are correct but,the Tigers are not a speed team,they are not a power team. They right now have 3 guys with 20 HRS and they have 1 guy with more than 4 steals and have 2 guys that are hitting more than .262 and only 1 that is hitting more than .272. Where in those stats say come from behind wins.You can win games all sorts of ways when you're behind by a run late. When you're down 4 or 5 is when you need a plethora of hitters.Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
They're getting it done. And IF (big if) Polanco picks it up a bit down the stretch you add him to the three players you listed and that makes almost half your line up that can do enough to get you to the playoffs. Then, with 3 of the top 7 ERA pitchers in the league in your rotation, you take your chances. It's not ideal, but it's a better situation than most years in these parts.You are correct but,the Tigers are not a speed team,they are not a power team. They right now have 3 guys with 20 HRS and they have 1 guy with more than 4 steals and have 2 guys that are hitting more than .262 and only 1 that is hitting more than .272. Where in those stats say come from behind wins.You can win games all sorts of ways when you're behind by a run late. When you're down 4 or 5 is when you need a plethora of hitters.Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
All they have to do is get to the playoffs. Once you are there - anything can happen. IF they hang on and win the division, they would likely play the Yankees in the first round. Perfect. That's exactly when the Tigers want to play them since the Yanks are clearly better than Detroit.I am just realistic. The tigers are a bottom 5 team in the MLB scoring 3 runs or less. Nice move getting the 3rd starter but if they want to have a real chance in Yankee stadium or Fenway they need a big bat. The Redsox just pulled a huge bat that is probably better than all but Cabrera.Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games