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Washburn To The Tigers (1 Viewer)

According to MLB.com's Noah Coslov, the Tigers have acquired Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners for LHPs Luke French and Mauricio Robles.

I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.

 
According to MLB.com's Noah Coslov, the Tigers have acquired Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners for LHPs Luke French and Mauricio Robles.I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Why? French is no stud prospect. He's ok, but not an uber prospect.I like this trade for the Tigers. Not that Washburn is a stud, but he's ok.
 
I have to believe the Yanks couldve offered better prospects than that. It leads me to believe that the Yanks are having some issues with the high payroll and dont want to add to it. I heard they even asked the Royals to pay the remaining $650k on Bannister's deal in a trade offer. Wow?

 
I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.
 
I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.
Yeah, the Tigers sold high on French. I was afraid they were going to have to give up Crosby or someone else in the minors with a much better upside than him.
 
I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.
Yeah, the Tigers sold high on French. I was afraid they were going to have to give up Crosby or someone else in the minors with a much better upside than him.
And Seattle didn't sell high on Washburn?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.I realize French is most likely major league #5 material or middle relief, but he is still developing his slider and costs next to nothing.I don't know much at all about Robles.I just don't see Washburn as anyone's piece to the puzzle.
 
He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?
 
He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?
:lmao: Which part?Washburn makes $10 million a seasonHe is a career 5.35/9 K/inning guy without knockout stuff to carry a team to victory.Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.I see him as having 4.00+ ERA and a 1.35-1.40 WHIP the rest of the season. Definitely decent stats and with Detroit run support should get a decent amount of Ws.I just don't see the end game in adding Washburn for Detroit, but then again I almost always side on the prospect side of a MLB trade.
 
He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?
:kicksrock: Which part?Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.
This part. Is there data to support these claims or is that your observation?
 
I think Detroit is going to regret giving up French for a guy like Washburn, but hopefully the trade bears fruit this season.
Do you understand that French was the 2nd guy in this trade? He's a AAA pitcher who has had some decent ML starts this year. He wasn't even a top 40 Tigers prospect coming into the year.Robles was the guy the Mariners really wanted, he has a lot of upside although he's still raw. But French? He's a future middle reliever if that. Book it.
Yeah, the Tigers sold high on French. I was afraid they were going to have to give up Crosby or someone else in the minors with a much better upside than him.
And Seattle didn't sell high on Washburn?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.I realize French is most likely major league #5 material or middle relief, but he is still developing his slider and costs next to nothing.I don't know much at all about Robles.I just don't see Washburn as anyone's piece to the puzzle.
Hes a decent #3 pitcher this year. They got a future #5 and another prospect who I dont know much about. Any insight Tiger fans? If he is an A level prospect then it was a good move by the M's.
 
And Seattle didn't sell high on Washburn?He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
Well he's not a 10 million dollar pitcher, he's a 4 million dollar pitcher with 3 months left on his contract. Now to the ballparks...Comerica is barely more favorable either this year, or in past years compared to Safeco. RK PARK NAME RUNS HR H 2B 3B BB 14 Comerica Park (Detroit, Michigan) 1.025 0.911 0.950 0.979 1.484 1.134 16 Safeco Field (Seattle, Washington) 0.980 0.933 1.017 0.871 1.190 1.143In 2006, 2007, and 2008 Safeco was the tougher hitters parkIn 2002, 2003, and 2005 Comerica was the tougher hitters parkBoth are -2 HR parks and both are ++ triples parks and minus doubles parks. In fact I think the dimensions of the two parks is about the same (and they are).
Comerica: 345-L, 382-LC, 420-C, 365-RC, 330-RSafeco: 315-L, 362-LC, 435-C, 373 RC, 326-R
Also how is Seattle to Detroit a major downgrade in defense? Granderson>>>>GutierrezIchiro>>>>>>MagglioIchiro>>>Clete ThomasLF is probably a push. So there goes that argument, want to start over?
I just don't see Washburn as anyone's piece to the puzzle.
How could a guy with a 1.06 WHIP not be helpful to Detroit this year? They can get a Type B return for him next year and let him walk if he's too expensive. The retun on a Type B FA is going to similar to what they just gave the Mariners.
 
He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?
:coffee: Which part?Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.
This part. Is there data to support these claims or is that your observation?
:shrug:
 
He is a $10 million #4 pitcher that is going to have a major downgrade in OF defense and a less favorable park coming to Detroit.
I agree that it was a win-win trade. But I don't get the basis for this statement. Where are you getting it from?
:confused: Which part?

Seattle plays terrific OF defense, the Detroit OF is definitely a step down.

Seattle is more accommodating to pitchers that pitch to contact than Detroit.
This part. Is there data to support these claims or is that your observation?
Park factors:http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

Comerica- Slightly unfavorable

Safeco- Slightly favorable

Fielding:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/f...gPct/order/true

These stats tell me my initial assumptions were incorrect, I had given Seattle a lot more credit as a better fielding team, I didn't know they currently place 3rd to last in the league. I stand corrected.

 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games

 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.
I am just realistic. The tigers are a bottom 5 team in the MLB scoring 3 runs or less. Nice move getting the 3rd starter but if they want to have a real chance in Yankee stadium or Fenway they need a big bat. The Redsox just pulled a huge bat that is probably better than all but Cabrera.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.
You can win games all sorts of ways when you're behind by a run late. When you're down 4 or 5 is when you need a plethora of hitters.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.
I am just realistic. The tigers are a bottom 5 team in the MLB scoring 3 runs or less. Nice move getting the 3rd starter but if they want to have a real chance in Yankee stadium or Fenway they need a big bat. The Redsox just pulled a huge bat that is probably better than all but Cabrera.
Saying you wish that Detroit had a real GM is not being realistic. DD had done a good job turning the Tigers from the worse team in baseball to a team that went to the World Series and can is in a position to compete for a division title. You may be a little spoiled by the Red Wings. Not every team in Detroit is going to be in fighting for the title every other year.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.
You can win games all sorts of ways when you're behind by a run late. When you're down 4 or 5 is when you need a plethora of hitters.
You are correct but,the Tigers are not a speed team,they are not a power team. They right now have 3 guys with 20 HRS and they have 1 guy with more than 4 steals and have 2 guys that are hitting more than .262 and only 1 that is hitting more than .272. Where in those stats say come from behind wins.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Besides Granderson, Guillen and Cabrera who is going to drive them in? With Guillen he can only hit front the left with balls below the waist with his bad shoulder.
You can win games all sorts of ways when you're behind by a run late. When you're down 4 or 5 is when you need a plethora of hitters.
You are correct but,the Tigers are not a speed team,they are not a power team. They right now have 3 guys with 20 HRS and they have 1 guy with more than 4 steals and have 2 guys that are hitting more than .262 and only 1 that is hitting more than .272. Where in those stats say come from behind wins.
They're getting it done. And IF (big if) Polanco picks it up a bit down the stretch you add him to the three players you listed and that makes almost half your line up that can do enough to get you to the playoffs. Then, with 3 of the top 7 ERA pitchers in the league in your rotation, you take your chances. It's not ideal, but it's a better situation than most years in these parts.
 
Decent pitcher but they need a bat really bad. If DD can't pull the trigger on a big bat Washburn will just be another pitcher in the rotation that will lose 2-1 games
Or keep them in games long enough where they can still be won late.
Dude, just let Comer be a wet blanket. It is all he knows.
I am just realistic. The tigers are a bottom 5 team in the MLB scoring 3 runs or less. Nice move getting the 3rd starter but if they want to have a real chance in Yankee stadium or Fenway they need a big bat. The Redsox just pulled a huge bat that is probably better than all but Cabrera.
All they have to do is get to the playoffs. Once you are there - anything can happen. IF they hang on and win the division, they would likely play the Yankees in the first round. Perfect. That's exactly when the Tigers want to play them since the Yanks are clearly better than Detroit.
 
Keith Law's take:

Washburn could be Detroit's difference-maker

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Washburn

Jarrod Washburn provides the Tigers with some depth in their rotation and should be an improvement over the man he's replacing, southpaw Luke French. Washburn also gives the Tigers a better fourth-starter option than Armando Galarraga for a playoff series. Washburn has been the beneficiary of Seattle's markedly improved defense, particularly its outfield defense, but Detroit also is generally a good defensive club, with a couple of All-Star defenders in Curtis Granderson and Adam Everett. Detroit's lead in the American League Central is small enough that the extra win it might get from having Washburn instead of French in its rotation easily could be the difference between making the playoffs or going home (or having to play a one-game playoff to get in). And the price for Washburn wasn't high in terms of prospects.

The Mariners are far enough out of first and unlikely enough to improve their performance (they've been outscored this season by 49 runs) that it makes sense for them to deal a soon-to-be free agent like Washburn, who probably will be a Type B free agent, meaning if the Mariners had kept him and offered arbitration, they'd have received a pick somewhere after the 30th slot in the draft.

So Seattle traded Washburn for a modest return, although it's not unreasonable for just two months of a pitcher who has been hit-lucky and has no track record of pitching at this level for any extended period of time. French, who was eligible but unselected in December's Rule 5 Draft, has a fringe-average fastball/slider combo with a chance for an average changeup and has become an extreme fly-ball pitcher since coming to the majors. That might work in a big ballpark with a good defensive outfield like Detroit or Seattle, although I wouldn't be wild about having him if I were the White Sox or Rangers. Mauricio Robles is a short left-hander with an above-average fastball but no comparable secondary pitch. He's got plus control, but there aren't many 160-pound starters in the majors, and from his height (about 5-foot-10), he has a hard time working down in the zone to avoid fly balls.

 
I like this trade.

The market simply wasn't there for a meaningful bat without giving up too much from an already weak farm system.

The OF defense in Detroit is a step down, but the infield defense is on par with the M's as is catcher and any argument that Comerica is not a pitcher's park is unfounded.

It may be a (small) step down for Washburn as far as fantasy is concerned but it's a step up for the Tigers, that's all I care about. And at the expense of a mediocre prospect and the type of guy we're already stacked with at the farm system, a young fire baller, one of the rare positions we're stacked enough at to afford to deal.

 

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