Week 1, I'm starting Ty'Son over ____________. (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

After further review and more rational thinking I'm going with ARob even though Ramsey should be shadowing him all day. With that said, I will not be surprised if Ty'Son's numbers end up being better, great combo of volume and weak opponent. 

As an ARob dynasty owner, I would have a hard time benching ARob in any matchup. 

You could be right - I suspect it won’t just be Williams out there though. One of Bell, Murray or Freeman seems likely to get some action too. 

I have a lot of questions about the Baltimore backfield. I have fewer questions about ARob. 

In a similar challenge I opted to start ARob over RoJo, so hopefully that worked out.  

 

[dmac37]

As an ARob dynasty owner, I would have a hard time benching ARob in any matchup. 

You could be right - I suspect it won’t just be Williams out there though. One of Bell, Murray or Freeman seems likely to get some action too. 

I have a lot of questions about the Baltimore backfield. I have fewer questions about ARob. 

In a similar challenge I opted to start ARob over RoJo, so hopefully that worked out.  

I was a RoJo and Fournette owner before last year started, I did not want anything to do with trying to figure that out that mess week to week. I was so happy to move both for Diontae Johnson and Jamaal Williams. ARob over RoJo would have been easy. I don't know what will happen long term but I really think for week 1  Ty'Son will get 75% + of the RB snaps in a run first offense.

 

[tricky92]

That is some drafting acumen right there.

I picked them up before Gus got hurt, but mostly as a dart throw  since I know they use multiple running backs

My league tends not to draft back-up QBs and TEs and teams load up on RBs... for instance, Joe Burrow is sitting out on the wire right now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was a RoJo and Fournette owner before last year started, I did not want anything to do with trying to figure that out that mess week to week. I was so happy to move both for Diontae Johnson and Jamaal Williams. ARob over RoJo would have been easy. I don't know what will happen long term but I really think for week 1  Ty'Son will get 75% + of the RB snaps in a run first offense.

I wish I could get that kind of value out of Rojo. At his peak value last year I couldn’t even get anyone to answer the phone.  

you might be right with those projections for Williams. I still think a lot will have to do with who they bring up from the practice squad.  Baltimore may well take a “hot hand“ approach. If that happens then it’s kind of a crapshoot.

as a Williams shareholder I absolutely am rooting for him to do well.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Over Tyler Boyd + Javonte Williams

narrow favorite in the first one, slight dog in the latter

I think Tyler Boyd has a safer floor, but I think Tyson Williams has a higher ceiling.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I don't think it's insane to start Ty'son Williams as your flex if your depth isn't that good.  Oakland is awful versus the run. I think that barring an early fumble, Tyson gets 70 yards and a touchdown Monday night.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't think it's insane to start Ty'son Williams as your flex if your depth isn't that good.  Oakland is awful versus the run. I think that barring an early fumble, Tyson gets 70 yards and a touchdown Monday night.

That’s not a bad projection.

the only issue I have is the presumption of Oakland being terrible against the run. Yes, they weren’t great last year, but IIRC when they moved Abram to more of a box safety role to fit his skill set, they improved a bit in that dept as he was playing more like a LB against the run & occasionally rushing the passer.

I might be off in my recollection, and they still weren’t great against the run, but it is the 1st game of the year, on MNF. The Raiders know Baltimore is running out a 4th stringer at RB, & have a relatively weak receiving corps. 

I would think they might put an emphasis on not letting Williams ball out against them: 

All speculation, of course. I’m not psychic.  

But 70/1 seems attainable. Maybe a couple receptions. I have no idea if this kid can catch. 

 

[Jamesinaz]

As of right now I am starting Williams over:

James Conner

Tee Higgins

Trey Sermon

Mecole Hardman

Tyler Higbee

Latavious Murray

It's my flex position in a Non-PPR league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As of right now I am starting Williams over:

Tee Higgins

The rest I get. Higgins would be in my lineup over an unknown rookie in PPR. 

If you're not PPR I get it more. 

 

[daylight]

I can't believe I'm considering this, but I'm thinking of starting Ty'Son over Allen Robinson. 

Don’t feel bad - I am doing the same!

 

[Asslete]

Starting him over Miles Sanders.  I love Sanders, but not sure Philly loves him as much…and ATL ain’t bad against the run

 

[Jamesinaz]

The rest I get. Higgins would be in my lineup over an unknown rookie in PPR. 

If you're not PPR I get it more. 

Having the same discussion in another thread and here was the logic I'm using as I laid it out there.

Higgins is a quality WR on a so-so offense sharing catches with 2 other WRs any of which could be the one having a good day and getting the looks.  I drafted Higgins so I am pro-Higgins to start with and believe he will emerge as their #1 but it will always be a shared role of 1A/1B.

Williams is the de-facto (for one game) RB1 in Bal on Monday and should get at least 20 touches.  He runs behind an excellent line and has a better chance at a goal line TD than Higgins.

I believe the floor for Higgins is about 50 yards.  His ceiling is 100 yards and a TD.  I think the floor for Williams is about 75 yards and the ceiling about 100 yards and 2 TDs.

Note this is a NON-PPR league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Note this is a NON-PPR league.

that’s definitely key - like I said, I get it more if non-PPR. 

Best of luck. 

 

[BespokeJort]

Think I’m starting him over Javonte and Laviska for volume reasons 

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Right nowI am starting DJ Moore over him in my flex, non-PPR.  Not sure if I will switch them or not.

 

[BigJim®]

I’m starting Mostert over him in one league, 3 RBs ahead of him in my 2nd. Looking forward to watching/rooting without anxiety.

 

[elmanx]

Week 1, I’m starting the guys I drafted to start for me. Call me crazy.  

Well, for plenty of people that was Gus. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well, for plenty of people that was Gus. 

Yes, this is sad but true. :(  

Again, I was answering only for my team to the question asked. I can't speak for other teams. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Q: what’s the latest the Ravens can sign practice squad players to the active roster for them to play on MNF? 

 

[jdoggydogg]

That’s not a bad projection.

the only issue I have is the presumption of Oakland being terrible against the run. Yes, they weren’t great last year, but IIRC when they moved Abram to more of a box safety role to fit his skill set, they improved a bit in that dept as he was playing more like a LB against the run & occasionally rushing the passer.

I might be off in my recollection, and they still weren’t great against the run, but it is the 1st game of the year, on MNF. The Raiders know Baltimore is running out a 4th stringer at RB, & have a relatively weak receiving corps. 

I would think they might put an emphasis on not letting Williams ball out against them: 

All speculation, of course. I’m not psychic.  

But 70/1 seems attainable. Maybe a couple receptions. I have no idea if this kid can catch. 

Those are good points. I guess I'm thinking Baltimore dominates Oakland and therefore that would offer Williams a lot of carries. But that stadium will be loud on Monday, so there's certainly a chance that Oakland is a tougher matchup than the public assumes.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Those are good points. I guess I'm thinking Baltimore dominates Oakland and therefore that would offer Williams a lot of carries. But that stadium will be loud on Monday, so there's certainly a chance that Oakland is a tougher matchup than the public assumes.

Ravens losing Marcus Peters means the Raiders should be able to pass on them a bit more. Carr is better than he gets credit for.

I honestly have no idea what’s gonna happen on MNF, but it’ll be fun to find our. 

 

[jdoggydogg]

Ravens losing Marcus Peters means the Raiders should be able to pass on them a bit more. Care is better than he gets credit for.

I honestly have no idea what’s gonna happen on MNF, but it’ll be fun to find our. 

I'm starting Jackson and Williams in dynasty, so I'll definitely be watching.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm starting Jackson and Williams in dynasty, so I'll definitely be watching.

Care is my SF QB2 & I’ve got Abram.

I’m hoping Baltimore runs it 107x & Carr throws for 400+.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Oh, and to answer the topic question: I have Trey Sermon in all three of my leagues. Just to mitigate some risk, I'm starting Williams over Sermon in one league.

 

[elshagon]

I have D'andre Swift and David Montgomery going against tough defenses so I'm thinking about starting him over one of those two, probably Swift.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I have D'andre Swift and David Montgomery going against tough defenses so I'm thinking about starting him over one of those two, probably Swift.

I would probably start Swift just because of the targets he's going to get, but that's just me.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Over Chubb, Gibson and Mixon

just joking

 

[pollardsvision]

Oh of course.

I said as much later in the thread. I was answering the question for my team, not everyone else’s. 

But I wouldn’t start him over a Javonte Williams, even with Williams’ slight ambiguity. Nor would I start him over a Gaskin or any of the other RB3-types folks are saying they’re starting him over.

Raiders seem like a soft matchup, but it is week 1, and Ty’son is a relatively unknown commodity compared to those dudes. So even in a seemingly favorable matchup, I’d be less comfortable with him.

For dynasty leagues, zero RB teams, etc, I can totally see starting him. But he’s still a dart throw.

I'm a huge fan of Javonte. UNC alum, my best friend coached baseball at Javonte's HS and raved about him to me back when school would even take look. I've got my homer glasses with Javonte and really don't want to ever leave him on the bench. He can make a massive impact without carrying the full load, and the thought of losing when he drops 40 on my bench would suck.

But I'm starting Ty'Son over him this week. 

A lot of unknowns all around in both situations. Both players will be playing in their first real NFL game. Both on teams effective at running the ball with a good match-up.

In a situation with so many unknowns, I'm just going the guy most likely to get more touches. 

I expect there's a chance this will be the last game all season that I start Ty'Son. Heck, all my flex spot options are sort of unknowns at the moment (Javonte, Melvin Gordon, Sermon, some WR flyer-types).

It's going to take some time to see what the heck is going on with some of these situations and a Ravens RB that "should" get 75% of the RB touches in Week 1 just seem like a situation to take advantage of.

 

[jdoggydogg]

unknowns at the moment (Javonte, Melvin Gordon, Sermon, some WR flyer-types).

I predict Sermon will be startable as a flex within a week or two.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You could be right - I suspect it won’t just be Williams out there though. One of Bell, Murray or Freeman seems likely to get some action too. 

No RB gets all the work, so I’m sure you’ll be right. I think some are just saying for at least Week 1 he should see the heavy majority of snaps.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No RB gets all the work, so I’m sure you’ll be right. I think some are just saying for at least Week 1 he should see the heavy majority of snaps.

All signs point to this, yes.

it does seem relevant to consider what role they would have, should Murray, Bell or Freeman (or a combination) be active for MNF. 

What if one is used as a receiver? What if another is used in short yardage?  It’s difficult to assume anything about usage for a relatively unknown player, and knowing which of the practice squad guys comes up could clarify that. 

The Ravens have said they trust Williams & all he’s done is impress. This could be accurate, or it could be a team saying the right things.  

I’m fortunate enough to be able to wait & see. I wish others luck with Ty’son & I hope he has a big game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's going to take some time to see what the heck is going on with some of these situations and a Ravens RB that "should" get 75% of the RB touches in Week 1 just seem like a situation to take advantage of.

totally understandable. Best of luck. 

 

[dmac37]

I can't believe I'm considering this, but I'm thinking of starting Ty'Son over Allen Robinson. 

Blooms rankings has me starting Ty'Son over ARob in my flex..........

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Blooms rankings has me starting Ty'Son over ARob in my flex..........

FWIW, Sportsline guys have ARob as a “sit” (they say “WR2 numbers”) and have Ty’son as a start. 

 

[jobarules]

I have D'andre Swift and David Montgomery going against tough defenses so I'm thinking about starting him over one of those two, probably Swift.

I wouldn't 

 

[Flying Elvis]

Starting in a PPR league over Lindsay, Sermon, Ruggs, Mooney, Quez Watkins. Someone inexplicably dropped Jakobi Meyers yesterday and I snagged him, but don't think he's worthy of starting over the top RB in BAL this week.

Starting in a standard scoring league over Sermon, Shepard, Ruggs, Quez Watkins in a very easy (landslide) decision.

Benched in a 0.5 PPR where my team is loaded so I can wait and see.

 

[Stealthycat]

PPR and I just swapped WR Pittman out and inserted Ty-son Williams 

 

[sho nuff]

Looking like Barkley’s use may be eased in.    Ty’son over he and Gaskin incoming…

 

[Avery]

I'm thinking about him over Swift and Harris but I don't know if I have the guts to do it.

 

[smcindoe]

I'm starting Mike Davis over him, but that's in a league where I'm the favorite and already have a big game from some Cowboys in the bank. Davis feels like a better floor, but if I was in a 50/50 matchup I'd probably go with Ty'Son.

 

[Double]

I'm starting Mike Davis over him, but that's in a league where I'm the favorite and already have a big game from some Cowboys in the bank. Davis feels like a better floor, but if I was in a 50/50 matchup I'd probably go with Ty'Son.

I’m wondering if I should do the same. Had AB on the bench but am never going to start him over Adams, Ridley, and Julio. Punted RB and ended up with Carson and Mike Davis (it’s a ten team). Thinking I should start Ty over Davis.

 

[Truebluey]

I feel the exact opposite - the ability to grab a potential RB1 off the wire is exactly the reason to wait on RBs once you got past the first 6-7 picks.

But only if you're drafting at 11 or 12 and can be confident you can get the Big break out guy on waivers. Otherwise you punted and you still get scraps. 

 

[Truebluey]

That’s not a bad projection.

the only issue I have is the presumption of Oakland being terrible against the run. Yes, they weren’t great last year, but IIRC when they moved Abram to more of a box safety role to fit his skill set, they improved a bit in that dept as he was playing more like a LB against the run & occasionally rushing the passer.

I might be off in my recollection, and they still weren’t great against the run, but it is the 1st game of the year, on MNF. The Raiders know Baltimore is running out a 4th stringer at RB, & have a relatively weak receiving corps. 

I would think they might put an emphasis on not letting Williams ball out against them: 

All speculation, of course. I’m not psychic.  

But 70/1 seems attainable. Maybe a couple receptions. I have no idea if this kid can catch. 

Good analysis. 

He CAN catch btw, but they hardly ever ask him to do so. 

My projection is 16-68 and 2-15 receiving. Lamar and Andrews get all the TD's. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But only if you're drafting at 11 or 12 and can be confident you can get the Big break out guy on waivers. Otherwise you punted and you still get scraps. 

Yeah, I mean, I drafted 4 RB in the first 8 rounds, and I still ended up with Gainwell, T.Jones & Ty’son.

when I see folks going zero RB, I sort of make it my mission to snipe all of their cheap RB targets. I almost feel a responsibility to do so. Plus it helps my team, so win-win. 

 

[Man In The Box]

Debating him vs. Gaskin. I have a nice lead thanks to Dak/Lamb, so I'll probably play it safe with Myles. Hope he blows up and takes the job by the horns though. 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I'm thinking about him over Swift and Harris but I don't know if I have the guts to do it.

Which Harris? 

 

[Avery]

Which Harris? 

Right. Damien.

 

[zamboni]

With reports of Jamaal Williams starting over Swift, I’m probably going Ty’Son over Swift.

 

[Adso]

Don’t feel bad - I am doing the same!

Count me in too; Williams over ARob in at FLEX. Dalton's first start, away game at Rams, single coverage from Jalen Ramsey vs Williams likely opportunity of at least 15+ touches and a handful of goal line carries. I'm also starting Monty so I'm considering it a bonus to limit exposure in the Bear's first game of the season against the projected best defense in the league.

Totally understand this is the kind of 'too cute' move that backfires and makes ASYS the most common acronym in FF.

 

[Adso]

Count me in too; Williams over ARob in at FLEX. Dalton's first start, away game at Rams, single coverage from Jalen Ramsey vs Williams likely opportunity of at least 15+ touches and a handful of goal line carries. I'm also starting Monty so I'm considering it a bonus to limit exposure in the Bear's first game of the season against the projected best defense in the league.

Totally understand this is the kind of 'too cute' move that backfires and makes ASYS the most common acronym in FF.

I'll go ahead and jinx myself and any others who made this decision and say I'm feeling pretty good about it right now given ARob's 6/35 line tonight.