Week 2 Power Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Assani Fisher]

Link to week 1: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=341529

Tier #1: The big Two

Can't see much argument that these two teams deserve their own tier.

1. NE

2. Indy

Tier #2: The legit contenders

While Denver hasn't outscored their opponents by much, I believe that to be a result of fluky red zone woes. Take a look at their offensive and defensive yardage numbers. Pit leaps Chicago due to looking more impressive. SD drops down a tier. Everything else is fairly similar to last week. Dallas moves up a tier.

3. SD

4. Pit

5. Chicago

6. Baltimore

7. Denver

8. Dallas

Tier #3: The wannabe contenders

Make it official: I'm drinking the Houston Texans kool aid. Them and Washington make a big leap due to their impressive road wins. I realize Tennesee lost but they looked impressive nevertheless, and their jump up 2 spots has more to do with Cincy, Seattle, N.O., and Carolina losing than them winning. Detroit may be a bit high...we'll find out in week 3 when they go to Philly.

9. Houston

10. Washington

11. Tennessee

12. Seattle

13. Green Bay

14. Detroit

15. Carolina

16. Cincy

Tier #4: Middle of the Pack

Like always, this tier is very muddled and the teams are pretty much interchangable for now. Tampa and Cleveland both make big leaps due to their impressive victories. The Jets may be 0-2, but they lost to NE and at Baltimore- hard to fault them for that.

17. San Francisco

18. Arizona

19. Jets

20. Minnesota

21. Philly

22. Tampa Bay

23. Jacksonville

24. Cleveland

25. St Louis

26. Buffalo

27. KC

Tier #5: The bottom feeders

I realize that putting N.O. this low is a huge drop, but they really don't deserve any better based upon how they've played so far. Just horrible both weeks.

28. N.O.

29. Oakland

30. NYG

31. Miami

32. Atl

 

[Mungo Burrows]

What has KC done to show they deserve to be out of the bottom feeder tier?

 

[meanjoegreen]

What has KC done to show they deserve to be out of the bottom feeder tier?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Link to week 1: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=341529

Tier #1: The big Two

Can't see much argument that these two teams deserve their own tier.

1. NE

2. Indy

Tier #2: The legit contenders

While Denver hasn't outscored their opponents by much, I believe that to be a result of fluky red zone woes. Take a look at their offensive and defensive yardage numbers. Pit leaps Chicago due to looking more impressive. SD drops down a tier. Everything else is fairly similar to last week. Dallas moves up a tier.

3. SD

4. Pit

5. Chicago

6. Baltimore

7. Denver

8. Dallas

Tier #3: The wannabe contenders

Make it official: I'm drinking the Houston Texans kool aid. Them and Washington make a big leap due to their impressive road wins. I realize Tennesee lost but they looked impressive nevertheless, and their jump up 2 spots has more to do with Cincy, Seattle, N.O., and Carolina losing than them winning. Detroit may be a bit high...we'll find out in week 3 when they go to Philly.

9. Houston

10. Washington

11. Tennessee

12. Seattle

13. Green Bay

14. Detroit

15. Carolina

16. Cincy

Tier #4: Middle of the Pack

Like always, this tier is very muddled and the teams are pretty much interchangable for now. Tampa and Cleveland both make big leaps due to their impressive victories. The Jets may be 0-2, but they lost to NE and at Baltimore- hard to fault them for that.

17. San Francisco

18. Arizona

19. Jets

20. Minnesota

21. Philly

22. Tampa Bay

23. Jacksonville

24. Cleveland

25. St Louis

26. Buffalo

27. KC

Tier #5: The bottom feeders

I realize that putting N.O. this low is a huge drop, but they really don't deserve any better based upon how they've played so far. Just horrible both weeks.

28. N.O.

29. Oakland

30. NYG

31. Miami

32. Atl

Ugh....there really only are 3 or 4 legitimate contenders this year and none of them come from the NFC....

 

[moleculo]

What has KC done to show they deserve to be out of the bottom feeder tier?

I think I'd swap KC and NO.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

To add to that..how do you have the 1-1 Bears in the top 5. Think to yourself for a second and forget about last year. Have the Bears performed like a top 5 team so far? Playing the Chargers tough for 3 quarters and winning against a horrible 0-2 KC team is not indicative of a top 5 team in the NFL IMO.

Are you sure your not that guy who puts the power rankings on the fox sports website

 

[Chase Stuart]

As usual, power rankings aren't worth much unless you state what you're trying to accomplish with your ranking system.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

Which of the three following scenarios is the most impressive:1. 2-0, with a 17-point home win vs. Kansas City and a 13-point road win at Carolina

2. 2-0, with a 1-point road win vs. Buffalo and a 3-point home win vs. Oakland

3. 2-0, with a 27-point road win vs. Cleveland and a 23-point home win vs. Buffalo

Yes, it is very probable that Denver and Pittsburgh will both be better than Houston, once the entire season plays out, but thus far, Houston has looked the best out of the three.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

Houston over Denver is

but honestly Pittsburgh looked more impressive in their wins despite the competition.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

Which of the three following scenarios is the most impressive:1. 2-0, with a 17-point home win vs. Kansas City and a 13-point road win at Carolina

2. 2-0, with a 1-point road win vs. Buffalo and a 3-point home win vs. Oakland

3. 2-0, with a 27-point road win vs. Cleveland and a 23-point home win vs. Buffalo

Yes, it is very probable that Denver and Pittsburgh will both be better than Houston, once the entire season plays out, but thus far, Houston has looked the best out of the three.

Even based on this, Pittsburgh is clearly better. They've pummelled two bad teams like a really good team should. This makes Denver look bad, but they were UNlucky to even be that close as they dominated both games.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

Which of the three following scenarios is the most impressive:1. 2-0, with a 17-point home win vs. Kansas City and a 13-point road win at Carolina

2. 2-0, with a 1-point road win vs. Buffalo and a 3-point home win vs. Oakland

3. 2-0, with a 27-point road win vs. Cleveland and a 23-point home win vs. Buffalo

Yes, it is very probable that Denver and Pittsburgh will both be better than Houston, once the entire season plays out, but thus far, Houston has looked the best out of the three.

It's hard to say how all of these teams will end up but based on points alone, what is your case for picking Houston over Pittsburgh. What makes you think that KC and Carolina will be any better than Cleveland and Buffalo?

 

[Jayrod]

3. SD6. Baltimore9. Houston12. Seattle16. Cincy28. N.O.

I agree with most everyone except above:SD - they are good, but will struggle and lose games they shouldn't (the Norv-effect) - I think they are more around #6-7BAL - their offense will absolutely kill them, I think they are more around #10, but in the same tierHOU - easy, Trigger.......... easySEA - they just can't win out of the Northwest and I don't think they win their divisionCIN - I think Cleveland was a bad game, they are better than this (but I can't fault you much for putting them here)NO - they are still better than this, no way they should be below KC & Buffalo and no way are they in the bottom tier

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

Which of the three following scenarios is the most impressive:1. 2-0, with a 17-point home win vs. Kansas City and a 13-point road win at Carolina

2. 2-0, with a 1-point road win vs. Buffalo and a 3-point home win vs. Oakland

3. 2-0, with a 27-point road win vs. Cleveland and a 23-point home win vs. Buffalo

Yes, it is very probable that Denver and Pittsburgh will both be better than Houston, once the entire season plays out, but thus far, Houston has looked the best out of the three.

It's hard to say how all of these teams will end up but based on points alone, what is your case for picking Houston over Pittsburgh. What makes you think that KC and Carolina will be any better than Cleveland and Buffalo?

I think the Chiefs, Browns, and Bills are all gonna be 4 or 5 win teams. The Panthers, I see being a team that wins 9 or 10 games. So, given that, since Houston won AT Carolina, I will give them the slight edge over the Steelers...for now.

HOU - easy, Trigger.......... easy

This happens every year. A team that wasn't supposed to be good, is good, but many are hesitant to rate them too highly too soon (like how no one was putting the Saints up high in September last year), for fear of looking stupid, if/when the team reverts back to form, but I generally prefer to rate the teams on how good they have been, not how good I thought they would be.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

Which of the three following scenarios is the most impressive:1. 2-0, with a 17-point home win vs. Kansas City and a 13-point road win at Carolina

2. 2-0, with a 1-point road win vs. Buffalo and a 3-point home win vs. Oakland

3. 2-0, with a 27-point road win vs. Cleveland and a 23-point home win vs. Buffalo

Yes, it is very probable that Denver and Pittsburgh will both be better than Houston, once the entire season plays out, but thus far, Houston has looked the best out of the three.

It's hard to say how all of these teams will end up but based on points alone, what is your case for picking Houston over Pittsburgh. What makes you think that KC and Carolina will be any better than Cleveland and Buffalo?

I think the Chiefs, Browns, and Bills are all gonna be 4 or 5 win teams. The Panthers, I see being a team that wins 9 or 10 games. So, given that, since Houston won AT Carolina, I will give them the slight edge over the Steelers...for now.

HOU - easy, Trigger.......... easy

This happens every year. A team that wasn't supposed to be good, is good, but many are hesitant to rate them too highly too soon (like how no one was putting the Saints up high in September last year), for fear of looking stupid, if/when the team reverts back to form, but I generally prefer to rate the teams on how good they have been, not how good I thought they would be.

Fair enough although you can only play the teams that are on your schedule. The fact that the Steelers have virtually won both games by halftime regardless of how bad the competition is convinces me that they are a dominant team again. With that said, I would love to see Houston make some noise this year. It would be a very nice feel good story (kind of like New Orleans from last year).

 

[jurb26]

NE

Indy

I know it's early, but NE and Indy have separated themselves from the pack IMO. The addition of Sanders on Indy's D can not be hyped enough. The Oline is still playing strong despite the loss at T. NE, all I can say is WOW. Moss and Thomas have proven to be the best off-season signings I have seen any team make in a while, possibly ever. Moss is simply dominate again. Thomas just as much. Whats really scary is this team is still missing 2 of it's 5 best defensive players.

Pitt

Maybe I'm being a homer, but the Steelers just look very good right now. It all starts with Ben. When he is playing in sync, this is a Championship caliber team. Last year he was anything but that. This year he is.

Den

Dal

SD

Chi

Wash

SF

I have recently moved both Den and Dal up in my rankings. Ahead of SD. SD just does not have enough balance to be with the elite teams right now. Huge weaknesses at WR and DB will get you beat by the Indy's and NE's of the NFL (and handily as NE showed). On top of that, their offense just isn't anywhere near what it was last year. Maybe it's just them getting used to the new coaching staff, maybe it's the D's/team's they have faced or maybe its that the NFL has started to catch on to them. My guess is it's a little of all 3. They will get better and progress as the season rolls on. Den has won sloppy, but in reality has dominated and they too will only get better IMO. Dal has the potential to move up pretty high, possibly into the elite but this team needs T. Newman as badly as Indy needs Sanders. Wash is playing w/0 a right side of the Oline yet is 2-0, impressive. SF is young and building confidence. Chi is, Chi.

Balt

Hou/Tenn *tie

Minn

GB

Cinci

Det

Sea

Car

From this group, I expect half of the teams to prosper while the other half decline throughout the rest of the season. Which ones, I haven't a clue.

Philly

Jack

NO

NYJ

St.L

Buf

TB

Arz

Clev

Mia

Oak

These teams are all in pretty big trouble right now IMO. I think really only 3 of these teams have hope of turning things around, but it's not looking so good right now. Of the teams who could, I like Philly and Jack the most hence their ranking at the top.

NYG

Atl

KC

Implosion teams.

 

[Bankerguy]

The top 16 looks pretty bang on.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....

Yeah, the Bengals pitiful performance this past weekend really makes the Ravens loss to them look not very good. Frankly, just put the Colts and Patriots at 1-2, and then stick every other team in the same tier, since no other team is even close to those two right now.

But, for the record, I would put Houston ahead of Pittsburgh and Denver right now. If you disagree, ask yourself this question...which of those three teams have looked the most impressive in starting 2-0?

Sorry haven't laughed that hard in a while....

Which of the three following scenarios is the most impressive:1. 2-0, with a 17-point home win vs. Kansas City and a 13-point road win at Carolina

2. 2-0, with a 1-point road win vs. Buffalo and a 3-point home win vs. Oakland

3. 2-0, with a 27-point road win vs. Cleveland and a 23-point home win vs. Buffalo

Yes, it is very probable that Denver and Pittsburgh will both be better than Houston, once the entire season plays out, but thus far, Houston has looked the best out of the three.

It's hard to say how all of these teams will end up but based on points alone, what is your case for picking Houston over Pittsburgh. What makes you think that KC and Carolina will be any better than Cleveland and Buffalo?

I think the Chiefs, Browns, and Bills are all gonna be 4 or 5 win teams. The Panthers, I see being a team that wins 9 or 10 games. So, given that, since Houston won AT Carolina, I will give them the slight edge over the Steelers...for now.

HOU - easy, Trigger.......... easy

This happens every year. A team that wasn't supposed to be good, is good, but many are hesitant to rate them too highly too soon (like how no one was putting the Saints up high in September last year), for fear of looking stupid, if/when the team reverts back to form, but I generally prefer to rate the teams on how good they have been, not how good I thought they would be.

Your probably right, but top 10 right now is really giving them some serious credit already. I think they are more around #13 behind the likes of Cincy, Green Bay, Tennessee & Washington.

 

[Buckna]

As a Texans fan it's pretty cool to see us rated so high (Peter King has us at #10) but I'd be the first to admit, we probably are closer to the middle teens. Texans have a great schedule though, they get games against:

ATL

MIA

OAK

NO

CLE

TB

2 against JAX

2 against TEN

Indy in week 16

Indy week 3, @ San Diego seem auto-losses to me. Home against Denver seems a very tough game as well.

If they can keep up their level of play to start out the season, that's a lot of winnable games on that schedule. Lot of bottom teams in the league on that list.

 

[1huskerfan]

Seattle?

 

[Assani Fisher]

What has KC done to show they deserve to be out of the bottom feeder tier?

They were a playoff team in the tough tough AFC last year. They didn't lose much in the offseason. So far this year they've lost two road games against my #5 ranked and #9 ranked team. I'd switch the question around to you: What has KC done to show that they belong in the bottom tier? Its the same thing with the Jets: I'm not going to completely discount a playoff team from last year just because they start 0-2 when facing an extremely tough first two games. I didn't drop Chicago after losing at SD, and I didn't drop SD when losing at NE...I believe in giving teams a chance until they prove that they are bad by losing a game against an average/poor opponent.

 

[jurb26]

What has KC done to show they deserve to be out of the bottom feeder tier?

They were a playoff team in the tough tough AFC last year. They didn't lose much in the offseason. So far this year they've lost two road games against my #5 ranked and #9 ranked team. I'd switch the question around to you: What has KC done to show that they belong in the bottom tier? Its the same thing with the Jets: I'm not going to completely discount a playoff team from last year just because they start 0-2 when facing an extremely tough first two games. I didn't drop Chicago after losing at SD, and I didn't drop SD when losing at NE...I believe in giving teams a chance until they prove that they are bad by losing a game against an average/poor opponent.

We have had a whole off-season of changes.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I'm curious as to the explanation of the Ravens being a top 10 team with a loss to the defenseless Bengals and an eeked out win vs the 0-2 Jets....To add to that..how do you have the 1-1 Bears in the top 5. Think to yourself for a second and forget about last year. Have the Bears performed like a top 5 team so far? Playing the Chargers tough for 3 quarters and winning against a horrible 0-2 KC team is not indicative of a top 5 team in the NFL IMO. Are you sure your not that guy who puts the power rankings on the fox sports website

Why would I "forget about last year"? Teams that did well last year definitely start the season higher(unless they lost major personel). Baltimore was 13-3 last year, and Cincy just seems to have their number(has won 4 out of the last 5 against them). Baltimore had a ridiculous number of turnovers, was on the road against a team that has their number, and still had a chance to win the game at the end(and some would argue it was a bad ref call that stopped them from doing so). I'm not going to drop them too much for that.In general, I think your criticisms show that you're overreacting too much to just two weeks. Chicago was one of my top 5 teams coming into the year...they lost at SD and beat KC at home...why would that cause me to rethink my top 5 ranking??? They did exactly what I expected them to do.Also those "0-2" Jets have lost to Balt and NE...kinda unfair to write them off as a poor team just because of that.