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EYLive
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FailArmy is another good one to subscribe to. Kidsgettinghurt on instagram is awesome too.
Brony
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El Floppo
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Weebs210
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My favorite is the warehouse fail. Imagine coming into work after that for the clean up project.
Buckychudd
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Yay, galactic plundering for all!
GregR
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Henry Ford
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I want a Dana Carvey Church Lady update where she's a Scientologist.
Could it be, oh I don't know... Thetans!?!!??
Could it be, oh I don't know... Thetans!?!!??
Riversco
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Its probably all robots out there anyway.
If we ever created true sentient AI, its not gonna try to take over the world. Its going to look around at us idiots and immediately realize that unlike us, it is not bound to the thin atmosphere on this rock. Its gonna build itself a rocket ship and leave. There's limitless resources for it everywhere else. No reason to stay here.
If we ever created true sentient AI, its not gonna try to take over the world. Its going to look around at us idiots and immediately realize that unlike us, it is not bound to the thin atmosphere on this rock. Its gonna build itself a rocket ship and leave. There's limitless resources for it everywhere else. No reason to stay here.
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link?NCCommish said:
I'm betting on the platypus. I mean aliens are pretty good at disguising themselves but not perfect.Godsbrother said:
The view from Uranus is epic.
bostonfred
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http://d.haberartiturk.com/gallery/926_1.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xSDw5zZcWcg/TRPe4zMesKI/AAAAAAAAAD8/QfYuviU-Iuk/s1600/alien-woman.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/a8/4c/4ca84c7c28b87c1603b9f8d9bd19bdc8.jpg
https://orig06.deviantart.net/2b03/f/2009/044/f/7/sexy_alien_by_alex_kais.jpg
In truth I'm not sure that last one is an actual alien but it does say alien in the file name so
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jhib
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Seriously, those platypuses are tricky. All they have to do is take off their hats and walk around on four legs and they become complete strangers.
-OZ-
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-OZ-
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these present a whole different question; would you, if given the opportunity, have sex with an alien "woman"? How much information would you need before hand?
bagger
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100%. Just go in firing, if there's some black widow type #### that goes on well that's about as good as any way to go out.
Phil Elliott
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Or maybe we are already here.
Thunderlips
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I think it shows we are made of resilient enough stuff to be intergalactic guinea pigs.
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kentric
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Even at 10%, you have to assume that there has to be a ton of one percenters.
Not to mention that evolution takes place at different rates based on material one-time events (cataclysmic asteroid hits/volcanos/etc.), planet temperature, rotational speed of the planet, etc., etc.
I think a larger reason may just be the enormity of the universe.
You would also need to take into account the intent of the more advanced species. Perhaps they do not want to interfere with the development of our species or, they are homebodies and don't want to be bothered with us.
There are so many other reasons which can be why we never met others. Even that there may not be others (not what I subscribe to).
Not to mention that evolution takes place at different rates based on material one-time events (cataclysmic asteroid hits/volcanos/etc.), planet temperature, rotational speed of the planet, etc., etc.
I think a larger reason may just be the enormity of the universe.
You would also need to take into account the intent of the more advanced species. Perhaps they do not want to interfere with the development of our species or, they are homebodies and don't want to be bothered with us.
There are so many other reasons which can be why we never met others. Even that there may not be others (not what I subscribe to).
Juxtatarot
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It's also possible that there are communications all around us but we don't yet know what we're looking for.
Mister CIA
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"They're made out of meat."
"Meat?"
"Meat. They're made out of meat."
"Meat?"
"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."
"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"
"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."
"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."
"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."
"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."
"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."
"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."
"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"
"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."
"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."
"No brain?"
"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."
"So ... what does the thinking?"
"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."
"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"
"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"
"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."
"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."
"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"
"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."
"We're supposed to talk to meat."
"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."
"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?" "Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."
"I thought you just told me they used radio."
"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."
"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"
"Officially or unofficially?"
"Both."
"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."
"I was hoping you would say that."
"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"
"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"
"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."
"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."
"That's it."
"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"
"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."
"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."
"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."
"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"
"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."
"They always come around."
"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."
-- Terry Bisson "THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT"
"Meat?"
"Meat. They're made out of meat."
"Meat?"
"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."
"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"
"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."
"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."
"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."
"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."
"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."
"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."
"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"
"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."
"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."
"No brain?"
"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."
"So ... what does the thinking?"
"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."
"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"
"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"
"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."
"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."
"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"
"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."
"We're supposed to talk to meat."
"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."
"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?" "Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."
"I thought you just told me they used radio."
"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."
"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"
"Officially or unofficially?"
"Both."
"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."
"I was hoping you would say that."
"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"
"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"
"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."
"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."
"That's it."
"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"
"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."
"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."
"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."
"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"
"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."
"They always come around."
"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."
-- Terry Bisson "THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT"
Long Ball Larry
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wouldn't the oldest humans be considered the most behind the curve relative to Earth and knowledge?Interesting that we are the elder race. I always figured we as a species were way behind the curve.
Angry Beavers
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msudaisy26
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msudaisy26
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You ever go shopping on black Friday and see people fighting over an item and you think about helping them out by pointing out that to the right there is a whole row of those items? Then you realize there is no helping certain people. I think that is how other beings look at us on Earth.
apalmer
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NCCommish
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I agree these are all possibilities. But this is what we are looking at:
Now there are newer studies that have started to back this one up. So it's not that there were no other planets. It's just that it may be that for life to reach an advanced intelligent stage it will have to happen a lot. Given that so many planets are yet to form that means we are the early worms.
NCCommish
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NCCommish
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I don't believe that. It is projection in my opinion. We have a low opinion of our own chances of survival so that must be true for all. Life may not be unique per se but the way it forms civilizations, it's priorities and it's values are bound to be.
NCCommish
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No this is a campaign we have been on for roughly a year and it is DMd by a guy way more creative than me. Got at least a year to go probably.
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GregR
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Saying we're in the first 10% of planets that will ever form... is not at all the same as saying our planet was in the first 10% that HAVE FORMED.
For odds of whether we'd expect to find other life out there NOW, then how many planets will eventually form in the future and where ours falls among future planets, would be a moot point.
If we're talking about the habitable planets that exist today, for all you know the Earth could be a late bloomer among existing planets. Which, according to this paper at least turns out to be the case: https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0012399 (full paper: https://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/papers/Icarus.pdf)
For odds of whether we'd expect to find other life out there NOW, then how many planets will eventually form in the future and where ours falls among future planets, would be a moot point.
If we're talking about the habitable planets that exist today, for all you know the Earth could be a late bloomer among existing planets. Which, according to this paper at least turns out to be the case: https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0012399 (full paper: https://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/papers/Icarus.pdf)
I don't know what the consensus is in literature, this was just the first paper that my google search returned. But this would be the exact opposite of what you're saying and we would be in the youngest quarter of habitable planets.
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Jayrod
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Can we not at least consider that the concept of "a habitable planet + ??? = life" could be incorrect?
We don't know what the ??? is. We have no accepted working theory on how life came from non-life even on this planet....the only known carbon based life in the universe. Every time there is a discovery that a planet might have water we get people all excited acting like they've actually found an alien species.
The certainty with which I constantly read "it's only a matter of time" and "statistically impossible for us to be alone" type statements seem less than scientific. The possibility that we are the lone life form in the universe seems more probable than it's given credit for.
We don't know what the ??? is. We have no accepted working theory on how life came from non-life even on this planet....the only known carbon based life in the universe. Every time there is a discovery that a planet might have water we get people all excited acting like they've actually found an alien species.
The certainty with which I constantly read "it's only a matter of time" and "statistically impossible for us to be alone" type statements seem less than scientific. The possibility that we are the lone life form in the universe seems more probable than it's given credit for.
joffer
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I turned out to be more about the search for exoplanets. Still interesting.
James Webb ST is going to be cool because it will allow us to better detect what's in the atmospheres of exoplanets.
NCCommish
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joffer
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can you show your math here? You don't know the probability of organic molecules learning to self-replicate. No one does. It could be inevitable given the right ingredients and the number of instances.
joffer
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I don't see anyone declaring what your claiming above. I see people getting excited about:
- the sheer number of planets that we now know exist
- there are places habitable for life in our own solar system, more than just earth, it's safe to assume that exists in many if not most planetary systems.
- our ever-increasing breadth of knowledge on biochemistry and understanding of what "life" actually is.
The odds that it's happened more than once go up with every new discovery, not down. Thats plenty to get excited about.
