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What are the reasons for America failing? (1 Viewer)

Easily the breakdown of the nuclear family, particularly among minorities and the lower economic classes.  The ROI for a 25 year project to rebuild this would be astronomical.  

 
Failing? No. But where we've gone awry is confusing the "pursuit of happiness" with the "right to happiness." We need to work to afford the opportunity to all, but engender a society that rewards hard work and perseverance and yet encourages a societal mindset.

 
We had a good run post-WW2, but these things don't last forever.  We had a lot of global factors fall in our favor.

The US still has a vast amount of natural resources so it's not like we will fall off a cliff.  Other countries are simply catching up.

 
global economy and teamwork are two hot concepts right now. if you have an opportunity to take advantage of those then you should be good going forward

 
It's not failing.  There are more things right about America today than 50-60 years ago.

Are there things that need to be fixed?  Of course. 

 
 As Tim McGraw would say.....Hold the door, say please, say thank you
Don't steal, don't cheat, and don't lie...Always stay humble and kind...

We need more of this

 
Breakdown of the family, the degradation of our educational system, the pervasive me-first mentality, the steady movement away from the Divine and towards the self, the stifling political correctness and reduction of privacy. Anyone that thinks we are better off now  than decades ago is a Pollyanna or misinformed. And the traffic, good Lord, the traffic.

 
pecorino said:
- Breakdown of the family, (Agree, this goes back to the incentives I always talk about - there should be a financial benefit to being married parents, not the opposite.)

- the degradation of our educational system, (not sure how great it was in the past but it needs help, especially in poorer areas)

- the pervasive me-first mentality, (don't think this is anything new, but certainly is a problem)

- the steady movement away from the Divine and towards the self, (there is no God, but we do need stronger community involvement)

- the stifling political correctness and (Nonsense)

- reduction of privacy. (Concerning, but we can't put the genie back in the bottle)

Anyone that thinks we are better off now  than decades ago is a Pollyanna or misinformed. And the traffic, good Lord, the traffic.
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I'll living today over any day in the past.

 
jonessed said:
We had a good run post-WW2, but these things don't last forever.  We had a lot of global factors fall in our favor.

The US still has a vast amount of natural resources so it's not like we will fall off a cliff.  Other countries are simply catching up.
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I disagree with the zero-sum view of the world. Simply look at how well America has done as country after country has exited third world status and become thriving economies.

I consider Americans the most innovative in the entire world and if we continue that then we don't have much to worry about.

 
Sand said:
Easily the breakdown of the nuclear family, particularly among minorities and the lower economic classes.  The ROI for a 25 year project to rebuild this would be astronomical.  
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Mike Rowe was on NPR today talking about all of the opportunity in the trades as an alternative to college.  The trades should be highly promoted in schools as a way for people to develop valuable skills and earn solid middle class (or higher) incomes.

While I'm a big proponent of college, I feel the way society has developed the attitude "You either get a college degree or you're loser" has had a tremendous negative impact on people from lower-economic families.

 
cstu said:
I disagree with the zero-sum view of the world. Simply look at how well America has done as country after country has exited third world status and become thriving economies.

I consider Americans the most innovative in the entire world and if we continue that then we don't have much to worry about.
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Where are you getting that from?

 
I hear about how bad our infrastructure is and then I visit other countries who supposedly have great infrastructure and think , really?   I hear about our educational system being bad, but yet people from all over the world send their kids to the US for college.  Our health care system is horrible, but yet almost all major advancements come from the US.  Nobel Prize winners come from mostly the US.  Our economy is strongest most stable economy in the world which is why even a currency like Euro can't compete with the dollar.  Sure, we probably work more hours than a lot of countries and our inner cities are still a crime-ridden embarrassment, but overall this is still the greatest nation there is. 

 
jon_mx said:
I hear about how bad our infrastructure is and then I visit other countries who supposedly have great infrastructure and think , really?   I hear about our educational system being bad, but yet people from all over the world send their kids to the US for college.  Our health care system is horrible, but yet almost all major advancements come from the US.  Nobel Prize winners come from mostly the US.  Our economy is strongest most stable economy in the world which is why even a currency like Euro can't compete with the dollar.  Sure, we probably work more hours than a lot of countries and our inner cities are still a crime-ridden embarrassment, but overall this is still the greatest nation there is. 
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Propaganda is the biggest problem in America.  

 
cap'n grunge said:
Apathy
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?

We the poisonous boys in the hood
Poised to deploy you, destroy alien barbarians ragin' on 'roids
We the '89 Raiders, Bo Jackson in your radius
The eighth wonder space hunter, Godless and atheist
Decepticon cannibals eating metal and chemicals
A robotic vampire fangs sinking into wires
Rowdy in the Audi, smoke pouring from the tires
To burn my kingdom you must use nuclear weapons
White kids started studying lessons
But with devils in the mental can't see our reflections
Cut my way out the womb, homemade c-section
(Man you ####ed up)
What would give you that impression?

 
jonessed said:
Where are you getting that from?
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We had a good run post-WW2, but these things don't last forever.  We had a lot of global factors fall in our favor.

The US still has a vast amount of natural resources so it's not like we will fall off a cliff.  Other countries are simply catching up.
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Sounded like you were saying that even though we won't fall off a cliff that our best days are behind us. Just saying I disagree that other countries catching up is a bad thing for us.

 
McGarnicle said:
It's education IMO. We used to rank at or near the top in math and science for example, and now we're getting our asses kicked. But worse, kids aren't learning critical thinking skills, so they're not well equipped to solve complex problems or even to see events and situations for what they really are. This is compounded by the sense of entitlement already mentioned (everyone gets a ribbon etc.). All of these issues contribute to the Trump phenomenon -- my life sucks and it's not my fault, and I'm so stupid I believe Trump when he says he can fix everything, because golly, he wouldn't be on TV if he wasn't really smart. We're the laughingstock of the world right now.
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Pretty good if you stop at "it's not my fault".  IMO

 
more people getting free stuff from Santa than paying Santa.  Heading down the path to socialism.   Onward Comrades, Onward!  Let's get everyone miserable, except the ruling class, of course.

 
The root cause of our failing is that every once in a while we bestow voting rights on previously disenfranchised groups who truly believe in socialism and hate the constitution.  As a result, socialism has crept into every aspect of our lives.  These socialist groups are starting to achieve critical mass and soon there will be no reversing the decline.

 
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cstu said:
Sounded like you were saying that even though we won't fall off a cliff that our best days are behind us. Just saying I disagree that other countries catching up is a bad thing for us.
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What he likely means is we had a time when global factors made it very easy for low skill workers to earn above-average incomes. That's not happening anymore.

When anyone says America is "failing" (et al), that's almost always what they are comparing to - the time when a basic job could mean a decent economic life. 

 
cstu said:
Sounded like you were saying that even though we won't fall off a cliff that our best days are behind us. Just saying I disagree that other countries catching up is a bad thing for us.
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I do think our best days are behind us.  I don't expect we will ever see a run of productivity like we had post-WW2.

Globalization has led to the loss of those high-paying, blue-collar jobs that sustained that booming economy. They are gone for good.  

Whether that's good or bad depends on where on the income scale you fall.

 
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Not enough hungry immigrants to push the 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation immigrants. Einstein, Teller, Von Neumann, Pei the architect, Brin,  Pultizer, Berlin, Van Halen, Audobon, Huxley, Stravinski, Cruz (Celia not Ted), Vergara, Roberto Goizueta, Arturo Sandoval, Albright, Baryshnikov, Wiesel, Jorge Perez, Estefan, Saralegui, Ramos, Hayel, Chavez, Ysrael Seinuk, Albert Gonzales, Chopra, Reddy (AI), Bhatt, Wiliam Wang, Ma. Dozens of Chens, Chows, Lis, Wangs and Yaos. Plus millions of unnamed immigrants who picked our produce, manufactured our clothes, cooked our food, took care of our children and parents; in order for their children to study and work in the USA.   

 
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It's very alarming to me how apathetic we are towards the deterioration of our K-12 school system. It literally scares me.

Teachers are paid peanuts and sometimes have to work a second job so they can buy supplies for the students. 

The student:teacher ratio can be as high as 40:1 in some school districts. We're raising a generation of idiots. 

 
McGarnicle said:
It's education IMO. We used to rank at or near the top in math and science for example, and now we're getting our asses kicked. But worse, kids aren't learning critical thinking skills, so they're not well equipped to solve complex problems or even to see events and situations for what they really are. This is compounded by the sense of entitlement already mentioned (everyone gets a ribbon etc.). All of these issues contribute to the Trump phenomenon -- my life sucks and it's not my fault, and I'm so stupid I believe Trump when he says he can fix everything, because golly, he wouldn't be on TV if he wasn't really smart. We're the laughingstock of the world right now.
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There's no time for critical thinking skills when they're so busy learning memorizing the info needed to pass the standardized test.

NCLB = DISASTER. Arguably the worst piece of legislation (after the Iraq war authorization) of the past 20 years

 
McGarnicle said:
It's education IMO. We used to rank at or near the top in math and science for example, and now we're getting our asses kicked. But worse, kids aren't learning critical thinking skills, so they're not well equipped to solve complex problems or even to see events and situations for what they really are. This is compounded by the sense of entitlement already mentioned (everyone gets a ribbon etc.). All of these issues contribute to the Trump phenomenon -- my life sucks and it's not my fault, and I'm so stupid I believe Trump when he says he can fix everything, because golly, he wouldn't be on TV if he wasn't really smart. We're the laughingstock of the world right now.
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Wow that Trump guy really did get you pissing your pants.  

 
At the bar listening to a 36 year old parent (with kids in 6th and 3rd grade) ##### about how kids and parents are awful today. Not himself as a parent, not his kids. He's part of the older generation, it's this newer generation that's the possible. WTF. I hate this whole argument. I want to punch the guy. 

 
Ilov80s said:
At the bar listening to a 36 year old parent (with kids in 6th and 3rd grade) ##### about how kids and parents are awful today. Not himself as a parent, not his kids. He's part of the older generation, it's this newer generation that's the possible. WTF. I hate this whole argument. I want to punch the guy. 
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And...what's stopping you?

 
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