What are your leagues rules for IR spots? (1 Viewer)

[Godsbrother]

Last year we allowed up to 4 players to be placed on Injured list for players that were out only due to Covid.

This year I want to propose lowering it to 2 players but open it up for players that are listed as OUT.

I am wondering how other leagues police the use of injury rosters spots. 
 

We use CBS if that matters… 

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Personally, as the commish, I'm not interested in policing whether the league is properly using the agreed upon terms for when the IR spot can be used.   I look at it as an all or nothing option.   If it's there and the platform says he's eligible, then he's eligible.

We normally do a 15 + 1IR.   Last season, we made it 16 + 2 IR as a specific precaution for Covid.   We're currently voting on bringing this back in 2021 and it's a dead heat between those who want the security of the extra bench and IR, and those who say it's wreaking too much havoc on the quality of free agents.

I do hate limiting the number of IR spots as much as we do when a team is legitimately getting crushed by injuries.   I completely get the temptation to say that some of those are only eligible in the event of Covid.  Otherwise, there definitely can be too many "free stashes" with guys who are out for a couple of weeks.    But again, it can be an added stressor that really makes fantasy a chore for a commish when league by-laws allow for one thing and the platform of choice allows for another.

 

[Godsbrother]

Personally, as the commish, I'm not interested in policing whether the league is properly using the agreed upon terms for when the IR spot can be used.   I look at it as an all or nothing option.   If it's there and the platform says he's eligible, then he's eligible.

We normally do a 15 + 1IR.   Last season, we made it 16 + 2 IR as a specific precaution for Covid.   We're currently voting on bringing this back in 2021 and it's a dead heat between those who want the security of the extra bench and IR, and those who say it's wreaking too much havoc on the quality of free agents.

I do hate limiting the number of IR spots as much as we do when a team is legitimately getting crushed by injuries.   I completely get the temptation to say that some of those are only eligible in the event of Covid.  Otherwise, there definitely can be too many "free stashes" with guys who are out for a couple of weeks.    But again, it can be an added stressor that really makes fantasy a chore for a commish when league by-laws allow for one thing and the platform of choice allows for another.

Thanks for the reply, thought there would be a lot more.

My main motivation for keeping it is the extension of the season to 17 games and 18 weeks.   I am just trying to figure out a simple way to keep the injury designation from being abused.

Here is what I am thinking:

Players marked as IR or OUT by CBS can be moved to one of two injury roster spots

A substitute player can be picked up from the WW to replace the injured player but must be of the same position

Once your player comes off the Injured list you have the option to activate him or cut him.  If activated, the player you picked up to replace him is returned to the WW.

Scan each roster for players on Injured list on Sunday evening.  Any team that still has a player on their injured list that was not designated as IR or OUT are fined or docked points.

Workable or too much of a hassle and just expand the roster and drop injured roster spot?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Ive never understood why people are so against an IR? If a guy (or 6) are on the IR, why would the league care if the owner gets a "free" roster spot? The owner is highly likely losing a hell of a lot more than he's gaining. 

I remember back in about '08 when a guy was basically forced to drop Brady in one of my leagues. Naturally, he was scooped up by another team. Worst yet, it was an auction keeper league so as a free agent, Brady was kept at 10% markup each year starting at the $2 minimum for FA pickups. The entire league got screwed on that one. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

IR, Out and PUP are eligible for one of our two IR spots.

It’s dictated by the team/league designation. Can sometimes be frustrating bc guys are often injured/not practicing, HC has said they won’t play, but until they are declared officially out you cannot make a move. But it’s the same for everyone.

Suspended players are not eligible for IR, you have to eat the roster spot.

Covid positive players were usually declared out by teams right away so IIRC wasn’t an issue last year. 

 

[Godsbrother]

Ive never understood why people are so against an IR? If a guy (or 6) are on the IR, why would the league care if the owner gets a "free" roster spot? The owner is highly likely losing a hell of a lot more than he's gaining. 

I remember back in about '08 when a guy was basically forced to drop Brady in one of my leagues. Naturally, he was scooped up by another team. Worst yet, it was an auction keeper league so as a free agent, Brady was kept at 10% markup each year starting at the $2 minimum for FA pickups. The entire league got screwed on that one. 

I think in our case it is not just IR, it is for players that are designated OUT, which may only be a 1-week duration. The concern is policing it:  what do you do if a team moves a guy to the injured list and leaves him there despite the player being eligible to play?

 

[Godsbrother]

IR, Out and PUP are eligible for one of our two IR spots.

It’s dictated by the team/league designation. Can sometimes be frustrating bc guys are often injured/not practicing, HC has said they won’t play, but until they are declared officially out you cannot make a move. But it’s the same for everyone.

Suspended players are not eligible for IR, you have to eat the roster spot.

Covid positive players were usually declared out by teams right away so IIRC wasn’t an issue last year. 

How does the commish police this?

 

[Cjw_55106]

I think in our case it is not just IR, it is for players that are designated OUT, which may only be a 1-week duration. The concern is policing it:  what do you do if a team moves a guy to the injured list and leaves him there despite the player being eligible to play?

Gotcha. We don’t provide relief for guys that are out. 

 

[jobarules]

We changed it to one IR spot for any player thats out

 

[Godsbrother]

Gotcha. We don’t provide relief for guys that are out. 

Thanks.  I am not sure we should either.  It just seems like with 17 games in 18 weeks there could be more players missing games so trying to help relieve that.  Maybe the best answer is to just expand the roster sizes but the guys in my leagues don't like that.

 

[BobbyLayne]

How does the commish police this?

There is no need to. It’s built into the hosting software - player has to have IR O or PUP designation to be moved from the active roster to the IR. Once they come off the injury list and it changes to D (D) or whatever they call it, you can’t make any WW pickups or trades until you drop a player and move the IR spot back to the active roster.

Not sure if it affects the current starting roster (I think it doesn’t) so I guess they can stash players there. But I think if you try to change the lineup the software denies the move and prompts you an active player is in an IR spot. Not 100% sure about that last part but we’ve had the IR spots for 4-5 years with no issues I had to step in to address.

 

[eric rymer]

we have 4 spots. Must be listed as Suspended, Covid, Doubtful or Out

 

[Godsbrother]

There is no need to. It’s built into the hosting software - player has to have IR O or PUP designation to be moved from the active roster to the IR. Once they come off the injury list and it changes to D (D) or whatever they call it, you can’t make any WW pickups or trades until you drop a player and move the IR spot back to the active roster.

Not sure if it affects the current starting roster (I think it doesn’t) so I guess they can stash players there. But I think if you try to change the lineup the software denies the move and prompts you an active player is in an IR spot. Not 100% sure about that last part but we’ve had the IR spots for 4-5 years with no issues I had to step in to address.

I'm not sure that is the case with CBS, does anyone out there know?

 

[Gally]

There is no need to. It’s built into the hosting software - player has to have IR O or PUP designation to be moved from the active roster to the IR. Once they come off the injury list and it changes to D (D) or whatever they call it, you can’t make any WW pickups or trades until you drop a player and move the IR spot back to the active roster.

Not sure if it affects the current starting roster (I think it doesn’t) so I guess they can stash players there. But I think if you try to change the lineup the software denies the move and prompts you an active player is in an IR spot. Not 100% sure about that last part but we’ve had the IR spots for 4-5 years with no issues I had to step in to address.

In our setup it also won't allow you to set a lineup if you have an illegible player in your "IR".   MFL makes it easy for the website to police it so the commish doesn't really have anything to do once the settings are locked into the site.  It's really quite simple. 

 

[Gally]

I think in our case it is not just IR, it is for players that are designated OUT, which may only be a 1-week duration. The concern is policing it:  what do you do if a team moves a guy to the injured list and leaves him there despite the player being eligible to play?

On MFL you can set the rules to not allow trades, FA pickups, or setting the lineup if there is an ineligible player on IR.  It's really quite simple.

 

[Gally]

Thanks for the reply, thought there would be a lot more.

My main motivation for keeping it is the extension of the season to 17 games and 18 weeks.   I am just trying to figure out a simple way to keep the injury designation from being abused.

Here is what I am thinking:

Players marked as IR or OUT by CBS can be moved to one of two injury roster spots

A substitute player can be picked up from the WW to replace the injured player but must be of the same position

Once your player comes off the Injured list you have the option to activate him or cut him.  If activated, the player you picked up to replace him is returned to the WW.

Scan each roster for players on Injured list on Sunday evening.  Any team that still has a player on their injured list that was not designated as IR or OUT are fined or docked points.

Workable or too much of a hassle and just expand the roster and drop injured roster spot?

Why the bolded?  I really don't see a huge advantage gained by keeping a player you picked up because one of your players was injured and ruled out.  What happens if the player that was on IR is now activated but another player is now eligible for the IR?  You can't just flip flop those two guys on the IR spot and keep the player you picked up for the first guy?  

This seems unnecessarily complicated and it seems like you are trying to minimize complication.  I wouldn't put stipulations like this on this really minor situation.  

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Thanks.  I am not sure we should either.  It just seems like with 17 games in 18 weeks there could be more players missing games so trying to help relieve that.  Maybe the best answer is to just expand the roster sizes but the guys in my leagues don't like that.

this....was going to post this.....we don't use IR....we just have 20 or 21 roster spots in most of our home leagues.....don't want to mess with the IR stuff....this is really based on a few things.....the draft should be the most important part of your season, so digging deep into the player pool and hitting on some of your late round picks is a huge bonus and actually brings some skill/research to the most important part of the season....the guys in your league probably don't like it because they don't want to do the extra work before the draft and they want to have multiple decent options available on the WW to bail them out when something happens....IR becomes a nice convenient crutch IMO.....enabling in a sense....but smaller rosters dictate that....roster management is a huge part of FF....IR almost makes it too easy and brings the skill level of all owners closer together in this area.....instead of separating the good from the bad.....I know it may sound a little hard core, but everybody plays by the same rules.....its ok to have to make "tough roster decisions" and make guys available that you don't really want to and risk losing them.....to me, that is a big part of the strategy...IR bails you out IMO....

 

[Ruffrodys05]

12 team league, max 7 keepers annually, 9 starters, 9 bench, unlimited number IR slots in-season. IR eligibility status limited to IR-Season, IR-DTR and Covid. All other status' are ineligible. Owners have 48 hours to re-activate a player after officially coming off IR-DTR or Covid & drop an active player. Moving a player to IR and adding a replacement is cost free, re-activating a player costs $5.00....our daily transaction fee for trades and waivers. An additional $5.00 fine is assessed if an owner fails to re-activate a player within 48 hours.