What does Dan Marino and the 2000 Rams have in common? (1 Viewer)

[Breesisdaman]

The answer, both are sitting and helplessly watching their prolific offensive records get shattered by the Saints. While Marino's record has been all the talk lately one little thing is getting over shadowed. The NFL single season yards record for a team is 7075 held by the greatest show on turf: The 2000 Rams. At the current pace of 449.6 yards/game the saints are project at 7196 over a 16 game season.

Things that make you go Hmmm.

 

[FavreCo]

Who knew. It's amazing that they somehow lost to 2 bottomfeeders like TB and STL

 

[Trey]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.

That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

 

[bulger2holt]

The 2000 Rams would have never lost to the 2011 Rams like the Saints did. They would have beat them by 30

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The answer, both are sitting and helplessly watching their prolific offensive records get shattered by the Saints. While Marino's record has been all the talk lately one little thing is getting over shadowed. The NFL single season yards record for a team is 7075 held by the greatest show on turf: The 2000 Rams. At the current pace of 449.6 yards/game the saints are project at 7196 over a 16 game season. Things that make you go Hmmm.

Thank you for mentioning this.The records that Brees is breaking are piling up.

 

[Trey]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

 

[mr roboto]

So the Rams had the record for most points, then the Vikings surpassed that, then the 07 Pats have it now, right?

Are the Saints in the running for that record too?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

So was I. 1984 was after 1978.

 

[Trey]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

So was I. 1984 was after 1978.

And yet in 1984, defensive backs were allowed to play defense and defensive linemen were allowed to hit the QB...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

So was I. 1984 was after 1978.

And yet in 1984, defensive backs were allowed to play defense and defensive linemen were allowed to hit the QB...

just so I know, how long has this new "era" we're in been around now?

 

[Fensalk]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

Ok, thanks, I'll buy that.

 

[Trey]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

So was I. 1984 was after 1978.

And yet in 1984, defensive backs were allowed to play defense and defensive linemen were allowed to hit the QB...

just so I know, how long has this new "era" we're in been around now?

As pointed out above, illegal contact and the continued emphasis on it has markedly improved passing numbers.In 1984, Marino passed for 5,000+ and there were only 2 other QBs with 4,000.In 2011, there will be somewhere close to 10 QBs with 4,000 passing yards.All I'm saying is that 4,000 became the new 3,000 so this day was inevitable.That doesn't take away from the fact that Brees is doing it better than anyone in the business right now. I just don't think cross-decade comparisons are very useful.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

So was I. 1984 was after 1978.

And yet in 1984, defensive backs were allowed to play defense and defensive linemen were allowed to hit the QB...

just so I know, how long has this new "era" we're in been around now?

As pointed out above, illegal contact and the continued emphasis on it has markedly improved passing numbers.In 1984, Marino passed for 5,000+ and there were only 2 other QBs with 4,000.In 2011, there will be somewhere close to 10 QBs with 4,000 passing yards.All I'm saying is that 4,000 became the new 3,000 so this day was inevitable.That doesn't take away from the fact that Brees is doing it better than anyone in the business right now. I just don't think cross-decade comparisons are very useful.

Yeah I definitely agree, good points.

 

[gianmarco]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

This isn't really true.Passing stats per year

There hasn't been a significant change in passing #'s at all until the last 3 years. That may be due more to the quality of QBs.

 

[mr roboto]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

This isn't really true.Passing stats per year

There hasn't been a significant change in passing #'s at all until the last 3 years. That may be due more to the quality of QBs.

What is interesting about those #'s is that from the 60's until now, there has been a slow, steady increase in completion % from 50% - 60%+. The last 4 years have been the only years in NFL history where this has been over 60%.

Int % has steadily dropped, and yds have steadily gone up.

 

[gianmarco]

Can't compare this accomplishment across eras. It's astounding that it stood up for so long.

That's not taking anything away from Brees either. Hell, he'd get my MVP vote.

Same era.The modern passing era began in 1978 with the changes in the passing rules and 2000 wasn't all that long ago, Warner just retired 2 years ago.

I was moreso referencing the Marino part of the comparison.

So was I. 1984 was after 1978.

And yet in 1984, defensive backs were allowed to play defense and defensive linemen were allowed to hit the QB...

just so I know, how long has this new "era" we're in been around now?

As pointed out above, illegal contact and the continued emphasis on it has markedly improved passing numbers.

In 1984, Marino passed for 5,000+ and there were only 2 other QBs with 4,000.

In 2011, there will be somewhere close to 10 QBs with 4,000 passing yards.

All I'm saying is that 4,000 became the new 3,000 so this day was inevitable.

That doesn't take away from the fact that Brees is doing it better than anyone in the business right now. I just don't think cross-decade comparisons are very useful.

Someone can run an analysis based on link above, but eyeballing it that isn't true at all. This year is simply a record-breaking outlier.

 

[thekidd2009]

It was inevitable that someone was going to break it. Ever since Peyton Manning complained about the Patriots db's mugging his receivers, numbers have gone up across the board. More teams have turned to the spread and more teams are throwing the ball. I'm guessing that's why sack numbers are way up as well. Both Brees and Brady are on pace to break it and I hope they do. It's really a miracle it survived as long as it did. The game has changed a whole lot since 1984.

 

[NeverEnough]

Marino doing it in 1984 is still more of an accomplishment than Brees doing it now. I'm nto saying Brees is not a great QB, but times have changed & rules favor the air attack in 2011.

 

[Breesisdaman]

The 2000 Rams would have never lost to the 2011 Rams like the Saints did. They would have beat them by 30

No they would give a team who never had a playoff victory their first ever win. Hakeem dropped the ball I still get chills thinking about that game. As bad as Haslett was he owned the Rams pretty much in those days.

 

[Sigfawn]

Marino doing it in 1984 is still more of an accomplishment than Brees doing it now. I'm nto saying Brees is not a great QB, but times have changed & rules favor the air attack in 2011.

The Dolphins also had a much bigger talent advantage then the Saints do over teams they face. Limited free agency along with a handful of teams being leaps and bounds ahead of others in terms of scouting and drafting. Today every teams spends 100+ million on players, everyone has some level of talent, the margin is a fraction of what it used to be. Along with the complexity of defenses and schemes.Swap in Brees for Marino he'd easily throw for 4,500 yards. I'd still give the edge to Marino but Brees isn't far behind.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Marino doing it in 1984 is still more of an accomplishment than Brees doing it now. I'm nto saying Brees is not a great QB, but times have changed & rules favor the air attack in 2011.

The Dolphins also had a much bigger talent advantage then the Saints do over teams they face. Limited free agency along with a handful of teams being leaps and bounds ahead of others in terms of scouting and drafting. Today every teams spends 100+ million on players, everyone has some level of talent, the margin is a fraction of what it used to be. Along with the complexity of defenses and schemes.Swap in Brees for Marino he'd easily throw for 4,500 yards. I'd still give the edge to Marino but Brees isn't far behind.

 

[Fensalk]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

This isn't really true.Passing stats per year

There hasn't been a significant change in passing #'s at all until the last 3 years. That may be due more to the quality of QBs.

I don't know what you are seeing but passing yards are up, completion percentage is up, yards per attempt is up and interceptions are down since 2004.1994 was the first year completion percentage hit 58%. Its only been below that a few times since 1994.

Remember, it also takes time for teams to adjust to the new rules.

 

[gianmarco]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

This isn't really true.Passing stats per year

There hasn't been a significant change in passing #'s at all until the last 3 years. That may be due more to the quality of QBs.

I don't know what you are seeing but passing yards are up, completion percentage is up, yards per attempt is up and interceptions are down since 2004.1994 was the first year completion percentage hit 58%. Its only been below that a few times since 1994.

Remember, it also takes time for teams to adjust to the new rules.

From 1983-1993, before the rule changes, ypg averaged 201.6/game over those 10 years.From 1994-2004, it went up to 208.6

From 1994-2008 (which includes reinforcing the rule), it went up to 208.8

So yes, it's gone up a total of 7 yds/game.

Look back at numbers in the 60's and 70's and those #'s were routinely in the 150's, 160's, or 170's.

The major shift occurred in 1980 when it became more of a passing league due to offensive scheme, not because of rule changes. Even in 1981, before the change, the league averaged 204.4 yds/game. In 2006, the league averaged 204.8. The year before, 203.5. Two years before that, 200.4. So no, I'm not seeing some major shift caused by the rule changes that would suggest these are 2 completely eras. Now, if Marino did this back in the 1970's, then that'd be a completely different story. But it's not and he didn't.

I'm surprised it's lasted as long as well, but it's not because the rule changes completely changed the landscape of the passing game. Overall offensive philosophy has. And it's nowhere near the change that was seen in the early 80's compared to the 60's and 70's.

 

[Controller Johnny]

So, is this the thread where Saints fans come and pat each other on the bottom?

 

[GeauxTigers]

Passing stats per year

There hasn't been a significant change in passing #'s at all until the last 3 years. That may be due more to the quality of QBs.

I agree with this statement. It has to do with the quality of the QB and WR now a days. Football is turning into a pass first sport. Look at the QB elite 11 camps around the country for high school kids. The skill set of the QB is starting at an earlier age and all they do is run 7 on 7 passing drills. By the time they get to college, the skills of the QB are much better then they were 10 years ago. Then they just sharpen the skills in college. You get guys coming out of college who can start in the NFL right away.

 

[ivnabru]

So the Rams had the record for most points, then the Vikings surpassed that, then the 07 Pats have it now, right?Are the Saints in the running for that record too?

Packers have more points than NO this year. They're 109 behind so most likely won't break that record.

 

[Todem]

In 1994, the NFL added the illegal contact / no chucking rule to help free up wide receivers. In 2004, the league worked to re-emphasize the 1994 rule change. We have seen pass numbers increase since 2004.

This.The interpretation of the rule has become in one word a joke.Defense? What defense?The game has become so watered down.Every stinkin incomplete pass where a defender actually makes a play on the ball you see these pre-madonna WR's throwing their arms up asking for flags. Blech.

 

[AmosMoses]

I'm a Saints fan, and this mutual congratulations I think is premature. I think the record that should be celebrated is Marinos. Why? It's been held for nearly 3 decades. THAT is special. Let's say Aaron Rogers breaks it next year. How special will Drew Brees record be then? It held on for a single year. The Saints are a hell of an offense (better than the Packers) and if you want to celebrate how good they've been since 06 or something, I'm all for that. But let's allow this passing mania to calm down before we say how great Brees year was, because right now we just don't know.

 

[Todem]

I'm a Saints fan, and this mutual congratulations I think is premature. I think the record that should be celebrated is Marinos. Why? It's been held for nearly 3 decades. THAT is special. Let's say Aaron Rogers breaks it next year. How special will Drew Brees record be then? It held on for a single year. The Saints are a hell of an offense (better than the Packers) and if you want to celebrate how good they've been since 06 or something, I'm all for that. But let's allow this passing mania to calm down before we say how great Brees year was, because right now we just don't know.

Great post.Amen.

 

[Hendo]

i read somewhere Stafford is on pace to break Marino's seasonal record for yards and TD's at 23yrs old as well... maybe i read that wrong but i thought it was in here as well. correct me if im wrong though