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What If?!? Monday Mock Draft - 2/15/2010 (1 Viewer)
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peter griffin
Footballguy
Good work although Spiller at #7 to the Browns seems a bit high. I know Spiller is arguably the best offensive playmaker in this draft (and lord knows the Browns need those in the worst way) but I would think that either Rolando McClain or Joe Haden would make sense there as well.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Haden was in there originally, but I decided to go with a RB this time. I wouldn't be surprised if Haden is in there next Monday!thanks for checking it out!
Love that it took Tebow all of one week to fall out of the first round of your mocks.
Spikes would be a great fit for the Pats. Vince Wilfork needs help trying to gouge out people's eyes.
I don't understand how Dan Williams fits HOU's D at all.
Is Taylor Mays still a first round prospect? The Senior Bowl made it sound like he was Darnell Bing v2.0.
Spikes would be a great fit for the Pats. Vince Wilfork needs help trying to gouge out people's eyes.
I don't understand how Dan Williams fits HOU's D at all.
Is Taylor Mays still a first round prospect? The Senior Bowl made it sound like he was Darnell Bing v2.0.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
As a 49er fan I'd be pretty happy with Joe Haden and Trent Williams.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Tebow is still in the first-round in other mocks I've seen (to the Pats) and all it takes is one team to draft him too high. My What If mocks are kind of alternate reality drafts that look more at scenarios (position runs, trades, etc). I don't think he should be a first-round pick, but there are scenarios where that happens.The Texans need interior help. They gave up on Travis Johnson, and Williams could help push the pocket from the middle. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after secondary guys here.Mays is a guy I wouldn't be surprised to see fall out of the first-round. In this scenario I think Pete Carroll pulls the trigger on one of his former players.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
It might only take a first-rounder to get Marshall away from the Broncos, but I imagine they'll get a first and a third, first and a fourth for the big man.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'd imagine the first would be good enough. WR haven't exactly been commanding top price the last few years.....
az_prof
Footballguy
Braylon Edwards went to NY for a third, fourth and Chansi Stuckey. Marshall is clearly better than Edwards, however. A few years ago Randy Moss went to Oakland for a high first and an average LB, Napolean Harris. I would put Marshall's value somewhere between Moss and Edwards, but closer to Moss'. I would think a first round pick would get it done, especially since there seems to be so much bad blood between the HC and the player.
identikit
Footballguy
Kind of hard for me to use Oakland's trades as any sort of measurement.(No offense, Raider fans)I do agree though, a 1st should get it done.
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Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Dear Cecil,
Please use your connections to find someone to destroy Suh's reputation to the point that he falls to let's say...pick 17? If that won't work, we'll "settle" for Berry. Can't you throw them under the bus a little bit?
Thanks,
Loyal Titans fan.
PS - Nice job. Like that Oakland pick
Please use your connections to find someone to destroy Suh's reputation to the point that he falls to let's say...pick 17? If that won't work, we'll "settle" for Berry. Can't you throw them under the bus a little bit?
Thanks,
Loyal Titans fan.
PS - Nice job. Like that Oakland pick
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
No problem Rovers, I think Robinson is near the top of the cornerbacks not named Joe Haden. Also depends on whether or not you classify Earl Thomas as a CB or FS. Dominique Franks and Kyle Wilson are in the conversation as well.
On moss, I thought it was a 4th rounder?Steal of the century...
100 years is a long time....you'd think over that amount a time a "steal" that resulted in an actual championship being won would outweigh some pretty stats.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Moss had four years remaining on his contract when the Vikings traded him. Marshall needs a new contract. I think that the contract will be a major stumbling block for a team trading for Marshall. It reminds me of the Matt Cassel trade. It is hard to imagine a team giving up a first and a record contract.
Not really buddy100 years is a long time....you'd think over that amount a time a "steal" that resulted in an actual championship being won would outweigh some pretty stats.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
What do the Bengals think about Chase Coffman? I like Griesham, but it seems to me like they need to at least give Coffman a chance. I think the Bengals need to go WR or OL in the first round.
awesome .....buddydon't buddy me....guysorry I just needed a Pats hate post to meet my monthly quota
bigern1000
Footballguy
x2
Coffman can't block worth a lick though, and the bengals require a TE to have blocking skills first, receiving skills second. I don't think Coffman even knows proper 3 point stance, coming from Missouri? He looked like a fish out of water in Hard Knocks.They need a field stretching TE in the worst way, no doubt....
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Can't Coffman be that field stretching TE?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I agree the Pats would be an interesting landing spot for Tebow, but lately I've been pondering the idea of Tebow going to the Colts. Obviously Manning is the the guy there for years to come so there would be little pressure on Tebow to develop quickly. The Colts had issues with 3rd/4th and short last season including the Super Bowl and Tebow might be the best short yardage QB in NCAA history. Tim could be developed on the slow track, ala Steve Young, and still provide some benefit in specific packages in the meantime.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
From what I've gathered on the All Star trip Coffman has fallen out of favor with the Bengals.Chase Stuart said:
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i previously advocated the rams taking suh, and that is the early consensus...
if bradford is a franchise QB (i have more doubts about clausen), you could make a strong case that would address an even bigger organizational need than DL upgrade...
is bradford a franchise QB?
he could bust, but so could a DT (dorsey was being called one of the decade's best and sapp-like just a few years ago)... not sure if i have ever seen any convincing data to suggest a strong correlation with some positions "busting" at higher rates relative to each other?
the rams have nobody at QB, no prospects even... it is hard to think of a good team with a bad QB... they are almost antithetical... it is easy to think of successful teams with ordinary DTs.
all that said, i think suh WILL be a difference maker on the other side, if they (likely) opt for him... but if their scouts & medical team vet bradford and think he can also be a difference maker, imo that would fill a more important need.
* nice early iteration, cec
i like some of the signature out of the box thinking picks... they are more likely to generate discussion...
if bradford is a franchise QB (i have more doubts about clausen), you could make a strong case that would address an even bigger organizational need than DL upgrade...
is bradford a franchise QB?
he could bust, but so could a DT (dorsey was being called one of the decade's best and sapp-like just a few years ago)... not sure if i have ever seen any convincing data to suggest a strong correlation with some positions "busting" at higher rates relative to each other?
the rams have nobody at QB, no prospects even... it is hard to think of a good team with a bad QB... they are almost antithetical... it is easy to think of successful teams with ordinary DTs.
all that said, i think suh WILL be a difference maker on the other side, if they (likely) opt for him... but if their scouts & medical team vet bradford and think he can also be a difference maker, imo that would fill a more important need.
* nice early iteration, cec
i like some of the signature out of the box thinking picks... they are more likely to generate discussion...
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I've seen Dunlap going there in quite a few mocks as well. It will probably come down to whoever runs the faster 40 time.PS - Nice job. Like that Oakland pick
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Thanks Bob! That's the whole point of my "What if?!?" mock drafts, to promote discussion.A couple of things worry me about Bradford.1) health, obviously he'll need to check out medically.2) love, does he love the game enough. according to prior interviews he doesn't watch the NFL, and to me that is a red flag. Now, it may not be a Rob Johnson "Football really isn't that important to me." red flag, but a red flag nonetheless. I want a QB that eats, breathes, sleeps, ####s, dreams about football. 24/7/365 - especially with that much $$$
invested, it needs to be first and foremost in my eyes.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Yep, an O-Lineman or Dunlap/Griffen is who you see in most every mock draft...watch Al pick someone we're not even expecting.I've seen Dunlap going there in quite a few mocks as well. It will probably come down to whoever runs the faster 40 time.PS - Nice job. Like that Oakland pick
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Dallas: I don't have a good idea what they are going to do. Their biggest needs are OL and WR, the 2 positions that they're least likely to take in the first based on historical trends and organizational philosophy. But there are no glaring needs elsewhere, assuming they sign their RFAs (especially on the DL). So where do they go?
I have a tough time seeing an OLB moving inside to an ILB. Dallas drafted 4 LBs last year. 3 of them were injured most of last year. It would seem unlikely that they'd add yet another young body who need teaching and assessment to a group thats already loaded with that type of guy. It might happen if the draftee is the BPA. But I'd think they'd go another direction if its anywhere close in talent.
Picking Dallas is going to be tough this year. An arguement could be made for or against most any position. I don't envy the mockers in this spot.
I have a tough time seeing an OLB moving inside to an ILB. Dallas drafted 4 LBs last year. 3 of them were injured most of last year. It would seem unlikely that they'd add yet another young body who need teaching and assessment to a group thats already loaded with that type of guy. It might happen if the draftee is the BPA. But I'd think they'd go another direction if its anywhere close in talent.
Picking Dallas is going to be tough this year. An arguement could be made for or against most any position. I don't envy the mockers in this spot.
Well at least we know it won't be a kicker this year, after Al made Janikowski the highest paid kicker in history today. I fully expect the Raiders to surprise us all again. How can anyone outside of the organization even wager to make a guess as to who the Raiders will draft? All you can do is look at thier needs, then hope that Al will draft the most phyically gifted athlete at the position, this year its DE. Here's a thought.....Al loves speed right? Well, who better for them to draft than CJ Spiller? Nobody is talking about this and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened.Yep, an O-Lineman or Dunlap/Griffen is who you see in most every mock draft...watch Al pick someone we're not even expecting.I've seen Dunlap going there in quite a few mocks as well. It will probably come down to whoever runs the faster 40 time.PS - Nice job. Like that Oakland pick
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhWell at least we know it won't be a kicker this year, after Al made Janikowski the highest paid kicker in history today. I fully expect the Raiders to surprise us all again. How can anyone outside of the organization even wager to make a guess as to who the Raiders will draft? All you can do is look at thier needs, then hope that Al will draft the most phyically gifted athlete at the position, this year its DE. Here's a thought.....Al loves speed right? Well, who better for them to draft than CJ Spiller? Nobody is talking about this and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened.Yep, an O-Lineman or Dunlap/Griffen is who you see in most every mock draft...watch Al pick someone we're not even expecting.I've seen Dunlap going there in quite a few mocks as well. It will probably come down to whoever runs the faster 40 time.PS - Nice job. Like that Oakland pick
might be the pick in my next "What If?!?"
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
excellent point...2) love, does he love the game enough. according to prior interviews he doesn't watch the NFL, and to me that is a red flag. Now, it may not be a Rob Johnson "Football really isn't that important to me." red flag, but a red flag nonetheless. I want a QB that eats, breathes, sleeps, ####s, dreams about football. 24/7/365 - especially with that much $$$
keep up the outstanding work...looking forward to the combine/pro day coverage...Mr. Bojangles
Footballguy
Taylor Mays to Seattle at 14? Not sure about that. Last year and this year's Sr Bowl showed serious imperfections in Mays's game, so just because he played for Carroll does not guarentee that he will be taken. If you want proof, go back and see what Carroll said about the Hawks drafting Lawrence Jackson in the first round a few years ago.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I agree with pretty much everything you said.I will just add that I love Weatherspoon, but agree that it might be hard for him to transition to ILB. Cecil any insight there? I feel the Cowboys want to shore up the S position and have heard some rumblings about this in the local Dallas media. Hamlin is on the decline and Ball is alright but inconsistent. Not sure the value is there at 27 for a S, but I could see them considering this position.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
double true, again looking at scenarios and Mays to Seattle is a possibility.I was in Mobile and came away unimpressed with Mays (especially in the interview process - some scouts felt the same way too). Guy played stiff, was always looking for a hit - not an interception/strip - and was biting on the worst routes. He was slow to react and didn't change direction as well as I had expected.Ego plays such a role with some of these staffs. They see imperfections, but they think "I can get the most out of him, I know how to use him"thanks for checking it out!Mr. Bojangles said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
There are some people in the scouting community I talked to that felt Weatherspoon was versatile enough for either OLB or ILB.Safety is definitely on my team needs list for the 'Boys. We'll see if I can get them one in my next mock!Hat Trick said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
If they were to get Marshall (and keep Mason) I see his value falling just a little bit. He wouldn't be a 100-catch guy in that offense, but could still be a threat in the red zone and a top 15 fantasy WR IMHO.Miami has been linked to BMarsh (and not just because he was in Orlando at the Shrine Game the same time Big Tuna was there).FrostBite said:If Marshall goes to Baltimore what does it do to his value?Where are some other possible landing spots for Marshall?
Chicago is a pipe dream because they're out of stuff to trade away for him.
I'd like to see him re-united with Mike Sims-Walker, but I don't see that happening in Jacksonville.
Washington is not going to happen for many reasons, one of those being Shanny wanted to straight up cut him before he was fired in Denver.
The Rams could use somebody - anybody! - to help out that poor WR corps.
Tampa could be an option depending on what happens with ABryant.
While I feel the same as you alluded to the Jets needing a corner, I also think that WR if not a priority this year, will be next year. Losing Stuckey was not big for '10 (or maybe even '11), but Cotchery is better suited when he has an equal in talent running mate and can't be put in a position where he is "the man"...same with Edwards for that matter. Together they should be fine for the next few years, but they will get "long in the tooth" together and unfortunately, that will be right when Sanchez should be at his best. With WRs, you can always find gems outside the first, but after Edwards and Cotchery, the cupboard is bare.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
For some reason Bradford screams Joey Harrington to me.excellent point...2) love, does he love the game enough. according to prior interviews he doesn't watch the NFL, and to me that is a red flag. Now, it may not be a Rob Johnson "Football really isn't that important to me." red flag, but a red flag nonetheless. I want a QB that eats, breathes, sleeps, ####s, dreams about football. 24/7/365 - especially with that much $$$invested, it needs to be first and foremost in my eyes.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Good to see you that you agree on the Safety. Although as Ridge pointed out, Dallas will be hard to mock with no real glaring needs and an intertersting drafting history. However, based on that Weatherspoon info (being able to move to ILB), I like the pick. My 3 favourite potential players are:MaysWeatherspoonandIupatiSadly I think all 3 might be gone.
Rovers
Footballguy
I don't think the Jets will ignore the need for a slot reciever in this draft, but I'm pretty certain it won't be addressed in the first round, maybe the second, if not then they could look for one to develop in the 4th round. I wonder if L Wash and Woodhead will be used in the slot this year. That seemed to be the plan for Woodhead last year until LW got hurt. If Rhodes doesn't recomitt himself, the Jets almost have to go CB then S in the first and second I would think. I can't even bring myself to think about 2011... and what might happen.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
OK, I'll play Devil's advocate on safety.Dallas has Hamlin locked up to a long term deal. And they are likely to sign Sensabaugh to one soon. Both of these guys, especially Sensa, fit Phillips' system of being able to cover well. Sensa was very strong at covering TEs in man coverage. Hamlin has been to the pro bowl under Phillips. So any rookie safety will have a hard time cracking the line up.But wait! Dallas is susceptible to the long ball! Thats what all the mocks are saying! Maybe not so fast. There was an excellent analysis posted recently on a Cowboy blog. It analyzed the opponent QB ratings by targeted segment of the field. Left, middle, right. 0-5 yards, 6-10, 11-15, and 16+. The opponents were progressively worse and worse in their ratings the further downfield they went. For the long throws, the cumulative stats for the year to the left/middle/right were: 17 att, 2 completes, 58 yards, 0 TDs, 2 picks / 26-9-252-2-2 / and 21-6-189-1-1. Opposing QBs had more picks than TDs when going deep on Dallas plus an abysmal completion percentage. Safeties are the ones helping out on deep throws. Deep vulnerability isnt one of the Boys' bigger problems.So you want to argue that we need to spend a 1st on a safety? Why? Well, one argument is that Dallas does need more picks and turnovers. This is one areas where Hamlin does not excel. Sensa gets a pass for last year as he was playing with a cast on his broken thumb much of the year. He had several easy picks clank off his cast. But results are results. Dallas was in the lower third for picks. Kind of surprising for a team that rushes as well as they do. So if you want to draft a safety, make darn sure he's got a nose for the ball.And please don't be Taylor Mays. We already lived through Roy Williams. This guy is a Roy's clone. Let someone else turn him into an LB.
Doesn't surprise me that Belly grabbed Spikes. Pats tend to stockpile dirty players. With Harrision and Vrabel gone, Wilfork and Merriweather need some help.
