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What is the % chance the Pats run the table this year? (1 Viewer)
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
10 percent chance
They play their big games on the road and they have to stay healthy.
I can honostly say I've never, ever seen so much hype on a team that's just 3-0. I will be amazed if they go undefeated and everyone was all over this at such an early stage.
I for one am NOT on that bandwagon for them or any team because it's something that's never been done........a team going 16-0 in the regular season. So to say now at the very least percentage on this least that it's a 1 out of 4 chance 13 games away is outrageous. This is no disrespect to the Pats and their team but I also think by everyone speculating so early that this team will go undefeated undermines the history of the NFL. Go undefeated doesn't happen in a 16 game season.
They play their big games on the road and they have to stay healthy.
I can honostly say I've never, ever seen so much hype on a team that's just 3-0. I will be amazed if they go undefeated and everyone was all over this at such an early stage.
I for one am NOT on that bandwagon for them or any team because it's something that's never been done........a team going 16-0 in the regular season. So to say now at the very least percentage on this least that it's a 1 out of 4 chance 13 games away is outrageous. This is no disrespect to the Pats and their team but I also think by everyone speculating so early that this team will go undefeated undermines the history of the NFL. Go undefeated doesn't happen in a 16 game season.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Lame choice of options. 0, 25, 50, 75, 100. Any thinking person would quickly realize that 0 and 100 are a waste of space and that's 40% of your options. History has proven that even with great teams winning them all is extremely difficult so you can also remove 50 and 75 without much thought. That's leave 25% which I guess is the best option but that's mostly because it's the only option that is even close to reasonable.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
What is it?@Dallas
@Indy
@Cincy
@Baltimore
and home vs Pitts
Ain't happening
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I would say about 5 - 10%
The run game a bit of a question mark. It looks good but not outstanding. The passing game looks great, but if Moss gets injured, it will be merely efficient. The defense has looked good but not dominant.
Defensive Coordinators will start to do a better job scheming against Moss.
@ CIN, @ DAL, @ IND, @ BAL, vs. PIT are all loseable, not to mention the divisional games where anything can happen.
They are looking like a 14-2 team, but not a 16-0 team.
The run game a bit of a question mark. It looks good but not outstanding. The passing game looks great, but if Moss gets injured, it will be merely efficient. The defense has looked good but not dominant.
Defensive Coordinators will start to do a better job scheming against Moss.
@ CIN, @ DAL, @ IND, @ BAL, vs. PIT are all loseable, not to mention the divisional games where anything can happen.
They are looking like a 14-2 team, but not a 16-0 team.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
No polls for the Steelers, Colts, Packers, or Cowboys?
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
If they are 13-0 with HF sealed, I guarantee you they will go balls out for the record, unless Dungy becomes their coach.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Uhhh...no.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't really understand this. I can't remember being this afraid to play a team since the 90's Cowgirls. I'm more afraid of this NE team too.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Knowing BB wants the glory, I could see them making a play for an undefeated season.
jurb26
Footballguy
What makes you think this?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
BBs ego.He already has 3 SuperBowls under his belt...just one more notch on his HOF career.I could see them seriously going for it.
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jurb26
Footballguy
BB has always shown to be the kind of person who does not care about statistical wins IMO. I can't see him risking injury to Brady and co. over some record.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I would much rather have it be the other way around...let the Pats go undefeated and have Dallas win in the SB after they try and put an exclamation point on their perfect regular season only to have Dallas win their 6th SB.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The Patriots are 54% run/46% pass so far this year, with Maroney, Morris and Faulk all averaging more than 4.5 yards per carry. The Patriots are third in the league in rushing offense, third in passing offense, and first in total offense. They have only punted four times all year. The defense is first in rush yards allowed with a stingy 112 through three games, and they have not allowed a rushing touchdown yet this season. They are third in passing yards allowed, and first in total yards allowed. They also tied an NFL record for longest kickoff return in history.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Nice oVVnership here.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Ya, and what's your point! LOLI haven't seen every snap of the Pats this season Fred but have seen parts of each game. It just seems to me that they're running game to me just isn't as good as those numbers indicate. When I'm watching them, they're not really doing squat with it. I was looking at their numbers earlier this morning and I was amazed at their averages. It's hard to argue against those numbers except that my gut instinct just says there's something skewed with those numbers. I don't know if it's because they're just gobbling yards up at the end when games are over or what. Of course, I could be turning the channel and missing every 10 yard plus run as well. On the flip side, they're passing game is untouchable and I think they have the only dominant defense in the NFL. I mean, it's hard to find any flaw so far this season so for me, it's the running game but again that's compared to A++ efforts and numbers everywhere else.I know what the numbers say....what are your thoughts about Maroney. Do you think he's the real deal? I have my doubts about him and I'm not talking fantasy football.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
IWBAC -I have seen every Pats play this year, and even scoring 38 points each game they have left a ton of points on the field. They have either missed or not attempted FGs and turned the ball over in the red zone in the first half of each game. They have also elected NOT to add points in the 4th quarter in each game as well. Yesterday, they got a turnover inside the 5 and basically fell on the ball for four downs rather than run up the score. IMO, they could easily have had 10 more points each game this year. In this case, the final score/stats have been misleading as they have been BETTER than what the final numbers indicate.
100% although i would have liked to have voted higher.
afc east has no chance.
afc east has no chance.
Tau837
Footballguy
I would have chosen 5% or maybe 10% if it were an option.
Tau837
Footballguy
That is the most impressive part, IMO.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Scary....I think it's awesome the way the rivalry between Manning and Brady has developed over the last 5 years. As much as I'm looking forward to seeing my favorite team the Cowboys match up against Pats.....Manning and Brady are both QB's in their prime who are just awesome. For those of us old enough to remember when it was Marino and Montana ( I was 13), we're living thru that same type of thing now. Manning and Brady are truely something special. For the moment, I'm done arguing who's better between those two because I'm come to the conclusion I just don't know. It's like steak and lobster.....both are awesome, just depends on the mood.The addition of those WR's may just be too much......but then again Indy is better now with Addai in his sophomore year and Sanders currently healthy. And not that I know Peyton Manning..but you can't tell me he doesn't hear the hype about the Patriots and that it doesn't make him and their team focus that much more coming off a SB win.Great stuff and if NE goes undefeated, they'd certainly deserve it because they have the bullseye on their back early and they play some tough teams on the road. Is anyone tough enough, we shall see.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Maroney is not LaDainian Tomlinson. He's not going to take over very many games, especially if he keeps dancing behind the line. But he is a very good weapon because he can run with power and he has the speed to take it to the house. Morris doesn't have that kind of speed, but he's a better straightforward runner, and between the Pats offensive line, and the space Moss and Welker open up on defense, he's looking very good so far. He screwed up on the only pass attempted for him yesterday, a screen that floated to him and he tripped up going backwards to catch it awkwardly. From the look on Brady's face, and the awkward route he took to the ball, the problem seemed to be Maroney. Maroney hasn't gotten a TD yet, but once was because they were on the three yard line after he picked up seven on first and ten from the goal. He was still in the game when Brady went for the quick snap QB sneak, and fumbled on the 1 yard line. With four minutes left in the half, Maroney had three straight rushes for 31 yards. The Pats then threw a three yard touchdown pass to Randy Moss. In their second to last drive, Maroney took the handoff on the Buffalo 23 and ran for 15 yards, then got another carry from the 8 and ran for 7. On second and one, Brady was sacked for a three yard loss, and on third and goal from the four, he threw it in for a touchdown to Gaffney. And the TD Morris got, could easily have been Maroney - it wasn't that Morris came in as a goal line back, it was that Morris had started the drive at running back and it only took them four plays (including the Welker to Moss lateral) to get them to the four yard line. Morris scored on his first attempt. In other words, instead of a 100 yard game, Maroney was very close to having a 100 yard, 4 TD game. From a fantasy perspective, it wasn't that close, but from an NFL perspective, he could very easily have gotten those numbers. And I don't think anyone would be calling him suspect if he did that. Maroney's last three rushes were three straight runs for 9 yards, when the Patriots were clearly running out the clock in the fourth quarter. He was stopped. Maroney had runs of 5, 9, 6, 6, 7, 19, 7, 5, 6, 15, 6, 8, and 9 yesterday. Unfortunately, he also had runs of -1, -2, and -6, as well as the 2, 3 and 4 I mentioned earlier from his final drive. Overall, he looked really good, although it was against a run defense that was on its last legs injury wise.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I was going to point this out. The chance of even the best team each year going undefeated should be in the single digits--and that's without injuries factored in.Having pretty much watched every game in the Brady era, there have been several games where Brady was off, the team as a whole made bad decisions, there were lapses in coverage on defense, and overall they were not in sync. It's tough to get pumped up every week and execute perfectly.That apparently was the case for several practices in the week that just passed, and Belichick apparently reamed them out something fierce on Friday. Given that they had a so-so first half on Sunday, I'm sure they had another pep talk at halftime and came back out and destoyed Buffalo in the second half.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Cinci's one of the most overrated teams in the NFL because they have an offense. There is NO WAY any team that Cleveland scored 50 plus points on can beat the New England Patriots. I don't even think Cinci will have their starting RB.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Please don't bring fancy numbers and statistics into this.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I've got NE over Cinci next week in the Suicide Picks.
timschochet
Footballguy
History suggests the Pats, as good as they are will lose a game or two, and also that they will lose to a team they're not supposed to lose to (At Miami might be as good a choice as any.) Teams rarely are able to be great weak after week; there's ususally a lull.
Also, although I think most people agree the Pats are the best team in the NFL, it's far too early to say they are that much better than the Colts or even the Steelers. Yes, I would favor New England in the playoffs against either team, but it's going to be a lot closer than people think. Remember in 2005, the Colts had a great team, and lost to the Steelers at home in the playoffs, even though I believe they were better than the Steelers that year overall. In one game, a few lucky bounces between competitive teams... anything can happen.
Also, although I think most people agree the Pats are the best team in the NFL, it's far too early to say they are that much better than the Colts or even the Steelers. Yes, I would favor New England in the playoffs against either team, but it's going to be a lot closer than people think. Remember in 2005, the Colts had a great team, and lost to the Steelers at home in the playoffs, even though I believe they were better than the Steelers that year overall. In one game, a few lucky bounces between competitive teams... anything can happen.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I agree. Also, one of them was a drop by Welker that hit him in the hands when he was wide open past the first down marker. Another was when they were trying to run the ball out in the fourth quarter yesterday, and the Bills were putting everyone in the box against the run because they were down 38-7 with 8 minutes left.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I agree overall with what you are saying, but the play where Maroney took a 6 yard loss was not his fault. IIRC, he barely touched the ball and was hit immediately and was lucky to hold onto the ball.I do think he takes too many plays for negative yardage and needs to learn to just drop his shoulder and hit the pile to get even two yards. He dances and studder steps too much behind the line and needs to identify when there is nothing to gain by juking and hoping a hole will open up.
bostonfred
Footballguy
As a counterargument, the Patriots won 21 games in a row, so concentration really hasn't been an issue for them, and they are extremely motivated to prove that there was nothing shady about their dynasty.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I voted 0%, but the p0le = fla\/\/ed.
Pretty good chance all this nonsense ends next Monday night if the Bengals get a couple turnovers.
@Dallas
@Indy
@Cincy
@Baltimore
vs Pitts
vs Jets
@Miami
Winning 4 of these would make me happy; 5 of these will be great!
If a miracle happens, and we are undefeated going into the Miami game, I will put big paper on Miami.
Pretty good chance all this nonsense ends next Monday night if the Bengals get a couple turnovers.
@Dallas
@Indy
@Cincy
@Baltimore
vs Pitts
vs Jets
@Miami
Winning 4 of these would make me happy; 5 of these will be great!
If a miracle happens, and we are undefeated going into the Miami game, I will put big paper on Miami.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Thanks for taking the time to type this out......those positive numbers are pretty impressive. I like that he didn't have just one big run and a bunch of 2 yard runs, that's pretty darn consistent. Probably a tribute to his line as well.
DoubleG
Footballguy
His poll about the Patriots is lousy too.
timschochet
Footballguy
Not in the same year. In both of those years you're talking about (2003-04) they had down games. In 2004, they got shellacked by the Steelers, lost to Miami, and went on to win the Superbowl anyway. It's not so much about concentration or motivation; it's more I think about weariness that sets in over a long season. You just can't perform at your best every week. I predict they will go 14-2 this year, losing one game to a competitive team (Indy, Pitt, or Dallas), and one game to a team they shouldn't lose to (Buffalo, Miami, maybe even Cleveland?) 14-2 will give them home field because the Colts and Steelers will each lose 3 or 4. And then well see how it plays out...
bostonfred
Footballguy
I agree with this, especially against a schedule that includes @CIN, @DAL, @IND, @BAL, vs. PIT, vs. WAS, and vs. PHI. They also have a week 16 game against Miami, and a big rematch against the Jets. The good news, if there is any, is that they can keep Maroney, Morris and Faulk relatively fresh with this rotation, they'll be getting replacements in Harrison and Seymour who should be returning soon, and the week 10 bye would be at just the right time to address that weariness.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Please. They risk injury to Brady every time they keep him in during blowouts (see weeks 1, 2, 3). Plus they don't want to lose their groove (hence the Dungy dig)."some record" -- only the most hallowed record in football.Won't happen because they won't go 13-0, but if they do, they will gun hard for the next 3.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I'll have a firmer opinion after seeing a full Pats game next week. Of course you have watched the more than I, and I generally respect your opinion.From the bits I've seen and some hunches, I suspect that the dominant passing offense is helping both the run offense (deep safeties, etc.) and the rush defense (who runs down 24 points)? I saw a bit of the BUF game, and Lynch looked pretty good. LT didn't look any worse than he did against CHI (great defense) and GB (good defense).I don't think the Pats offense is nearly as deep or balanced as, say, the Colts, or even the Bengals. If they lose Moss, they revert to the 2006 Patriots. Fortunately for them, that's a pretty good floor.
The flipside of this is that the 3 teams they've played are a combined 2-7. Their opponents rank 28th, 27th & 32nd in total offense and 27th, 22nd and 32nd in total defense. Part of those rankings are influenced by playing the Pats, admittedly. The Pats are damn good, but I'm not sure they've even played anybody worthwhile yet. (Who would have thought San Diego would be so terrible starting out?)I sure do remember lots of people thinking they were going to run the table early in the season in 2004. The resurgent Dillon mania ("the Pats finally have a run game to go with their passing!") was a recurrent theme. The perfect season didn't happen then, but they did get a SB. Funny how Dillon was seen as such a headcase, went to the Pats for peanuts and a dominant season followed. Lots of parallel's to Moss here.
The Jerk
Footballguy
The most overhyped accomplishment in the history of team sports. The Dolphins remain the only Super Bowl champion not to even play a playoff team during the regular season. Given the current scheduling format, that's a record they could keep for all time.
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The Jerk
Footballguy
Don't bring facts in here. I tried similar arguments, but I was told that the Patriots three opponents (and the Cowboys, I might add) had tremendous records last year and are very good teams. Remember, this is the NFL, where very little ever changes from year to year, right?
2 Minute Drill w your mom
Footballguy
They gave up a huge rushing TD to Lynch yesterday dude. He powered through 3-4 defenders.Similar threads
