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What NFL QB would you take for a 2 year window? (1 Viewer)

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  • Tom Brady

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  • Mike Vick

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  • Peyton Manning

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • Aaron Rodgers

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  • Phillip Rivers

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  • Drew Brees

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  • Big Ben

    Votes: 1 50.0%
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Da Guru

Da Guru

Fair & Balanced
If you had a playoff ready team and all things being equal what QB would you choose to run your squad for a 3 year period starting now? Forget about SuperBowl Rings won in the past.

Some nice options.

 
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This really depends upon the make-up of the rest of the offense.

Ben is better at extending plays and making something out of nothing than any other QB I've ever seen. Steve Young is the next player I can think of with this ability.

Brady and Manning are your more classic surgeons who can read a D and pick them apart.

If your supporting cast is built around running quick timing passes, Brady or Manning are much better.

 
I chose Rodgers because he seems to be hitting his stride right now, and I would certainly get three years of him in his prime, before any sign of wear and tear showed up. My second pick was Rivers, but not as confident about that. I just figure with Brees, Brady and Manning all in their 30s already (and I believe Manning will be 35 at season's start), you might get a couple of excellent years out of them, but the risk of age catching up to them in year three was just enough to push Rodgers through in my eyes.

 
Matt Stafford had 6 TDs and 1 INT in 2.5 games, so I'm looking forward to a 38-6 over a healthy 16 game season.

Rogers or Rivers for this poll's purposes.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Matt Stafford had 6 TDs and 1 INT in 2.5 games, so I'm looking forward to a 38-6 over a healthy 16 game season.Rogers or Rivers for this poll's purposes.
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The NFL season will be 18 games plus playoffs. Stafford is way too brittle to be put in this poll. 2.5??
 
Steelfan7 said:
Poor Rodgers still gets no respect. No Pro Bowl and people still can't get his last name right. :D
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:lmao:I noticed half of us (including the OP) had it with no 'd', but I wasn't sure which was right.The no-respect award goes to Brady. I realize today is fresh in everyone's mind, but he was insanely good this year (36 TDs, 4 INT), they went 14-2, I mean come on. Peyton struggled at times this year, and he has seven times as many votes.
Tom Brady [ 2 ] ** [3.64%]Mike Vick [ 2 ] ** [3.64%]Peyton Manning [ 14 ] ** [25.45%]Aaron Rogers [ 23 ] ** [41.82%]Phillip Rivers [ 5 ] ** [9.09%]Drew Brees [ 2 ] ** [3.64%]Big Ben [ 7 ] ** [12.73%]
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Da Guru said:
BobbyLayne said:
Matt Stafford had 6 TDs and 1 INT in 2.5 games, so I'm looking forward to a 38-6 over a healthy 16 game season.Rogers or Rivers for this poll's purposes.
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The NFL season will be 18 games plus playoffs. Stafford is way too brittle to be put in this poll. 2.5??
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Aye, good catch. So it'll be 43-7 next year then. Also, 4K and 10 wins. Realistic, no?2.5 - yeah, I think so...he played (4 TDs) and won the Redskins game...got knocked out of the Bears and Jets games (both should have been wins - was leading when he went out).
 
It's amazing how less than 24 hours can change peoples' perspectives. Aaron Rodgers has 30 votes and Tom Brady has 2. Suppose this poll was taken last Friday?

 
Looking at the stats, I'd have to go with either Rodgers or Rivers. I'd probably favor Rodgers because he's more mobile.

 
Putting aside today's game: I don't think Tom Brady ever looked as good as he did in 2010. In 2007 he had a better offensive line, and Randy Moss still playing at his peak and motivated. Brady looked better to me this year. With a bunch of no names on offense he took apart the Jets at home, crushed the Steelers in Pittsburgh, and crushed the Bears in Chicago. That's an amazing performance, and Brady was nearly perfect through all of it. He has to be my choice.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Da Guru said:
BobbyLayne said:
Matt Stafford had 6 TDs and 1 INT in 2.5 games, so I'm looking forward to a 38-6 over a healthy 16 game season.Rogers or Rivers for this poll's purposes.
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The NFL season will be 18 games plus playoffs. Stafford is way too brittle to be put in this poll. 2.5??
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Aye, good catch. So it'll be 43-7 next year then. Also, 4K and 10 wins. Realistic, no?2.5 - yeah, I think so...he played (4 TDs) and won the Redskins game...got knocked out of the Bears and Jets games (both should have been wins - was leading when he went out).
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Lets get Stafford one full season under his belt before we talk.
 
timschochet said:
Putting aside today's game: I don't think Tom Brady ever looked as good as he did in 2010. In 2007 he had a better offensive line, and Randy Moss still playing at his peak and motivated. Brady looked better to me this year. With a bunch of no names on offense he took apart the Jets at home, crushed the Steelers in Pittsburgh, and crushed the Bears in Chicago. That's an amazing performance, and Brady was nearly perfect through all of it. He has to be my choice.
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:thumbdown: I still say you have to look at the make-up of your team to figure out which QB is right for your system. Brady and the Pats are going to be great for a very long time. However, chew on this. If Ben was the starting QB in NE today, he would have stretched out those plays better than Brady and made some big plays. Ben is a winner and gives his guys a chance to make plays.ETA: I honestly thought about this during the game when Brady struggled with the pressure and threw the ball away too quickly when the initial reads weren't there.
 
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Godsbrother said:
Rogers 48 votes and Brady 4. :popcorn:
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Definitely a "what have you done lately for me" crowd.I took Rodgers, because as someone else said, he seems to be hitting his stride. Even with a two year window, age (wear) is still a factor to me. Manning seemed to slip some this season and moves into his late 30s. Brady seems less mobile or at least more reluctant to scramble since his knee injury.ETA: I would pick Manning or Brady if the question involved the player's prime.
 
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Seeing what Manning did with the crap around him right now, imagine what he could do with a Super Bowl caliber team around him. Yeah I know hes choked in the playoffs in the past but so has Brady recently. Only other guy id consider is Rodgers but Ill take Manning's smarts for two years to overcome anything.

 
I voted for Rodgers. He has everything. He isn't the best in any category, but he's in the top 2 or 3 of every aspect you want out of your QB. He can do everything very well.

 
Manning.

What that guy did this year with the crap around him was just amazing. Brady is second, followed by Rodgers.

I think if this poll is started over again a week from now the results will look much different. Don't look for Rodgers to light up the Bears.

Edit to add: surprised by the lack of votes for Rivers who in my mind is right on par with Rodgers

 
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For me, It came to Brady and Brees. I feel these two will run any type of offense that's asked of them and do it well. Manning and Rodgers are great QB's but I think their egos are too big to play for any offense other than a pass first.

 
What I'm learning is that the QB's mobility has been a terribly underrated aspect of these exercises. Thinking back to the last 10 Super Bowls, nearly all of them were won by a QB with at least SOME mobility. And in the case of Eli Manning, they ONLY won because of his mobility.

Brady 3x, Roethlisberger 2x, Eli, Brees, this year (Ben, Sanchez, Rodgers, Cutler are all very mobile)

Peyton wasn't very mobile, and he had a terrible Super Bowl but was fortunate in that he was playing someone who may be even less mobile in Rex Grossman. Brad Johnson also wasn't mobile, but (and I know this sounds like a cop-out) his defense was ridiculous and it didn't matter who was at the helm that day. Sort of like Dilfer in 2000.

The reason I bring it up is because I've been thinking about what makes a QB "great". In my mind, all season long I watched Philip Rivers believing that I was watching the best QB in football. And there's certainly some truth to that, because he's extremely proficient and does a ton without a ton of weapons. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought that in the postseason, he's not all that great at avoiding an opponent's oncoming pass rush. And in the playoffs, defenses are typically a lot better. And when a pass rush gets to you, mistakes are magnified. It's not a knock on the player, but there has to be some explanation for why Manning, Rivers, and Marino have combined for one less Super Bowl win than Ben Roethlisberger. I know the team around them has a lot to do with it, but I really think there's something to be said for escapability more than simply throwing ability and intelligence.

Now I'm not suggesting a guy like Vick would be ideal, because his is just about having great moves and balance. I think you get a pocket passer who can avoid a costly sack, fumble, INT and you've got yourself a guy who can win a Super Bowl. Not saying Rivers can't or never will do it, but he's been at the helm of some pretty awesome teams. Yet his 3-4 career playoff record, 58% completion percentage, and 8:9 touchdown to interception ratio certainly leave a lot to be desired.

I voted Rodgers, and would have done the same if this question had been posed before the Patriots game. Brady had a great statistical season and has terrific accuracy, but considering he's beyond his prime as far as avoiding the rush and the question is asking about the next 3 years going forward, I think Rodgers is the easy choice.

 
I'd take Rivers over Rodgers. We are splitting hairs here, but:

1. Rivers has been more durable and has had zero concussions to date, which is a slight risk for Rodgers.

2. Rivers has produced with poor to average talent/performance around him on offense, including OL, WRs, TE (when Gates was out), and RB. Rodgers has always had a strong receiving corps, so he hasn't proven the same thing yet.

 
Just Win Baby said:
Rivers has produced with poor to average talent/performance around him on offense, including OL, WRs, TE (when Gates was out), and RB. Rodgers has always had a strong receiving corps, so he hasn't proven the same thing yet.
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This can kind of go both ways. This year Rodgers has lost OL, # 1 TE, and his starting RB...for the season. The one thing that has helped him are his receivers have stayed healthy, for the most part. Rivers isn't given nearly enough credit for what he did this year with a makeshift offense around him. Rivers and Rodgers are on the same level to me, but you have a point that Rodgers has always had weapons around him.
 
For two years? How can this not be Manning? Look what he is asked to do - more than any QB I have ever watched play. I couldn't imagine him in a situation where he could afford to be more efficient, with more around him and not the have to win games on his own.

 
Concept Coop said:
For two years? How can this not be Manning? Look what he is asked to do - more than any QB I have ever watched play. I couldn't imagine him in a situation where he could afford to be more efficient, with more around him and not the have to win games on his own.
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Yeah but that pretty much describes every year that he had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge, and the best line in the NFL and still didn't win multiple Super Bowls.I'm not trying to bash Manning, because he is the best QB of all-time just based on standard quarterback measurables. But I think when you take the postseason aspect into account, and the fact that this is not based on 2004 but rather 2011 and 2012 and I don't see how he can be rated above everyone else.
 
Michael Brown said:
Concept Coop said:
For two years? How can this not be Manning? Look what he is asked to do - more than any QB I have ever watched play. I couldn't imagine him in a situation where he could afford to be more efficient, with more around him and not the have to win games on his own.
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Yeah but that pretty much describes every year that he had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge, and the best line in the NFL and still didn't win multiple Super Bowls.I'm not trying to bash Manning, because he is the best QB of all-time just based on standard quarterback measurables. But I think when you take the postseason aspect into account, and the fact that this is not based on 2004 but rather 2011 and 2012 and I don't see how he can be rated above everyone else.
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The post season, where defense wins championships?I hear the Superbowl argument all the time, and have yet to hear a valid reponse to this question: What Superbowl Champions would have LOST by replacing their QB with Peyton Manning? I put my money on none.
 
It's gotta be Manning. When you can take the GOAT for 2 years, you take him.

2nd place for me personally is Michael Vick. You damn well better be sure you can protect him on his left side though, because he is awful when he has to roll out from left to right. If you have to let him get pressured, I would prefer he get pressured blind side so his sixth sense can let him run away.

 
omahabrad said:
For me, It came to Brady and Brees. I feel these two will run any type of offense that's asked of them and do it well. Manning and Rodgers are great QB's but I think their egos are too big to play for any offense other than a pass first.
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If you have Manning or Rodgers do you really WANT to run anything other than a pass first offense?
 
Instinctive said:
It's gotta be Manning. When you can take the GOAT for 2 years, you take him.
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This is for the next two years. Manning's play in the 2011 and 2012 seasons will almost certainly not be the best in the league, much less the greatest of all time. Your answer does not fit the question.
 
For the next 2 years, I'm still taking Manning.

If the question was 3 years or more, I'd lean more towards Rodgers

 
Concept Coop said:
Just Win Baby said:
Instinctive said:
It's gotta be Manning. When you can take the GOAT for 2 years, you take him.
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This is for the next two years. Manning's play in the 2011 and 2012 seasons will almost certainly not be the best in the league, much less the greatest of all time. Your answer does not fit the question.
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It does if you assume a lot of the issues are with the team and not Manning.
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I disagree. IMO for the next two years, there are other, younger QBs who would perform better in the same situation (as specified in the OP).For example, I chose Rivers. Sure, Manning's team had issues. So did the Chargers. Yet Rivers has outperformed Manning over the past 2 years (in fact, for the past year, the past 2 years, and the past 3 years); why wouldn't he outperform him over the next two, when Manning will be 35 and 36?
 
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