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What Percent of NATO's budget did the USA fund in 2021? (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
Why does this matter? And why are you choosing to bring it up at this precise moment?
joffer
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
One million dollars.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Pickle Rody
IBL Representative
Since I have no idea the answer to the OP question, I am not capable of connecting any dots.....could you please connect them for me? I mean, depending on the actual answer these dots could go in any number of directions. So, please, connect them for me so I don't misinterpret your whole point of this thread.
Ah so we’ve made it to the Russian talking point now? How the US is paying too much and the other countries aren’t paying their fair share? You do know the goal of that was to weaken the alliances between the US and Europe to make Putin’s grabbing of former Soviet countries easier.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
So what are you suggesting, that the US defund NATO now?
Weakening NATO seems like a pretty dumb thing to do as Russia is readying to invade Ukraine.
Weakening NATO seems like a pretty dumb thing to do as Russia is readying to invade Ukraine.
The General
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Ah so we've made it to the point where people accuse others on this board of posting Russian talking points.
Insein
Footballguy
Either we are the world police and in which case everyone can #### off criticizing us or we're not. If we're not, then we have better uses for our money at home.
Doug B
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Ah so we've made it to the point where people accuse others on this board of posting Russian talking points.
I remember a few short years ago when they believed everything the Russians said with 100% certainty - no questions asked. Maybe if @TripItUp would have just rephrased his question to include The Dossier 2.0TM they would have, well, believed it with no questions asked.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
The correct answer is 16.36%. Unless we’re not actually talking about NATO’s budget.
Let me ask you, what do you think the point of this thread was? A curious guessing game? The OP has a point to make and a pretty good guess is that it’s the same point Putin made to Trump who then repeated it to all the other members of NATO.
Ah so we've made it to the point where people accuse others on this board of posting Russian talking points.
moleculo
Footballguy
that's not NATO's budget. That's a commitment for how much countries are supposed to spend on their own defense. A distinction without a difference, I'm sure.
moleculo
Footballguy
The answer @TripItUp is probably going for is that the US spends a lot more than other countries in terms of percentage GDP. It's absolutely fair to point out that other countries are hiding beneath the umbrella we provide.
The other side of that same coin is that we spend WAAAY too much on defense. it would be a HUGE deal if we could scale down from 3.7% to 2%, the same target we ask other NATO countries. Somehow, cutting our own spending to be in line with the rest of our NATO friends doesn't resonate.
I'd also add that I'm comfortable with Germany having a much smaller military than us. given 1914-1944, maybe this isn't a country we want having a large standing army.
The other side of that same coin is that we spend WAAAY too much on defense. it would be a HUGE deal if we could scale down from 3.7% to 2%, the same target we ask other NATO countries. Somehow, cutting our own spending to be in line with the rest of our NATO friends doesn't resonate.
I'd also add that I'm comfortable with Germany having a much smaller military than us. given 1914-1944, maybe this isn't a country we want having a large standing army.
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Cowboysfan8
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Right?
Ah so we've made it to the point where people accuse others on this board of posting Russian talking points.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I really don’t care what his motive was. Joe has asked numerous times to post about the topic at hand and not the poster. I don’t know the answer but was curious what the answer is. If the OP doesn’t post it in the next day or so then it would be fair to bring out the trolling accusations.
Desert_Power
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-fish-
Footballguy
16% is the number for direct spending, which only covers operational costs. Germany pays the same as the US.
It's a pretty meaningless number, and represents less than half of a percent of what NATO countries actually spend on defense or contribute to common defense. It is nothing but a talking point.
It's a pretty meaningless number, and represents less than half of a percent of what NATO countries actually spend on defense or contribute to common defense. It is nothing but a talking point.
moleculo
Footballguy
it's more than a little disturbing that 35% of us think it's close to 80%. I mean, really?Looks like 4/5 FBGs get it wrong
-fish-
Footballguy
It's more that the question is really bad. Indirect spending is measured by looking at what each country spends on its own defense budget. The goal is to have all NATO countries spend 2% of their GDP on defense. Since we're a superpower and we spend more like 3.5% on our own defense spending, our percentage of what all NATO countries spend on defense is more like 69%. But again, that's a fairly meaningless number since we spend far more than any other country in the world.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Roughly the same percentage as we funded from 2016-2020, but I didn't see you making a big deal about it at the time.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
If we are calculating it as total defense spending of all NATO countries, it’s over 80%. That’s a nonsensical way to think of a “budget” though.
-fish-
Footballguy
The Future Champs
Footballguy
This is the correct answer. Our NATO allies are volunteering their countries as the front line in future conflicts. That's a considerable value.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I was a huge proponent of Trump's NATO cutbacks...huge, and was vocal about it.
If Europe wants to defend itself, it needs to pay up to do it. We aren't the world police. Our taxpayer money is needed domestically.
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timschochet
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-fish-
Footballguy
We didn't make any significant cutbacks under Trump, and any minor savings we made relating to the direct budget were squandered on diverting money that was budgeted to the military to the whole wall boondoggle.
We don't pay extra in indirect costs based on other countries not hitting their 2% GDP goal. Our military budget isn't driven by NATO.
The cause and effect being argued here is all wrong. The US doesn't pay more because NATO countries skimp. NATO countries skimp because the US voluntarily pays so much. The US spends so much on defense because our Congress is in thrall to defense contractors.
The correct answer isn't to be upset that other NATO countries are acting in a financially sensible way. The correct answer is to be upset that the US spends so much unnecessary money on defense.
The correct answer isn't to be upset that other NATO countries are acting in a financially sensible way. The correct answer is to be upset that the US spends so much unnecessary money on defense.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Agreed, cutbacks shouldn't have been larger. Biden, of course, wanted to restore them...becuase he's a clown.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
OK, missed that. My apologies.
I'm not a proponent of NATO cutbacks. Our defense alliances, both NATO and others, are a vital part of our defense scheme.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
The Future Champs
Footballguy
First you're going to have to agree that Trump's obsequiousness to Putin was far far more pathetic and embarrassing.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Sure, but we pay a grossly disproportionate amount of funds for NATO. I have a problem with it being a % of GDP.
These other countries are being rewarded for lazy/socialistic economies.
-fish-
Footballguy
We cut back from paying direct costs of about 22% of the direct budget (which is 0.3% of the total NATO common defense budget) to paying 16% of it. It was meaningless grandstanding. Germany picked up most of the difference.
We made no cuts at all in our contribution to indirect costs.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of complimenting an evil person like Putin, even if Trump was correct.
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