What was Shanahan thinking? (1 Viewer)

[richn]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play.

1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward).

2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward).

3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight).

4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs.

I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

 

[BroadwayG]

He was thinking that he'd trust his offense to win the game.

 

[richn]

He was thinking that he'd trust his offense to win the game.

You get stopped there, AUTOMATIC LOSS!!!!!! Punt, play D, you have a shot to win. STUPID!!!

 

[strong]

Yeah, it was pretty dumb...

but his headset was malfunctioning, FWIW...

 

[S.K.A.]

It was a dumb move. I am surprised anyone would defend the move.

 

[fred_1_15301]

You're making the assumption that he was "thinking"........

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I thought we already knew this: Shanny is a GENIUS. That's why.

 

[stevegamer]

It was the second dumbest coach playcalling decision in NFL history.

Luckily for Shanahan, Joe Pisarcik once handed off into Larry Csonka's hip instead of kneeling.

 

[richn]

It was the second dumbest coach playcalling decision in NFL history. Luckily for Shanahan, Joe Pisarcik once handed off into Larry Csonka's hip instead of kneeling.

You are correct.......I was just making a point, and wondering if anyone asked him about it (sound bite). I know he had used his time outs early in the half, another genious move......but still ??????

 

[JaxBill]

He was thinking that he'd trust his offense to win the game.

He was thinking that his defense was tired from being on the field the whole game and he'd never see the ball again. The Jags had been on a 6 minute drive the previous possesion when MJD fumbled. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a stupid move. Almost as stupid as the Jags bungling that penalty and spike at end of the first half.

 

[greenline]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.

This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

 

[SKribbles]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

I liked the call.If they punt from their endzone, Jax gets the ball in Den territory so they would need 1st down to kick a field goal and make it a two possession game. Two 1st downs would pretty much kill the clock. Jax was running all over them. Denver also had ZERO timeouts left.

 

[j3r3m3y]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

1) What is between the 45 and the 45?2) I think punting and 3 and out probably is a much higher percentage call than 4th and 6. I could be wrong, but we aren't talking 4th and inches here.

 

[rascal]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play. 1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward). 2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward). 3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight). 4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs. I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

Did you watch the game?Denver had zero time outs left, and their defense had been getting owned all game. I doubt Denver ever would have got the ball back or with enough time to do anything.Every fan I've talked too thought it was the right move. They would have completed the first down, but Graham dropped the ball on his way down.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play. 1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward). 2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward). 3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight). 4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs. I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

Did you watch the game?Denver had zero time outs left, and their defense had been getting owned all game. I doubt Denver ever would have got the ball back or with enough time to do anything.Every fan I've talked too thought it was the right move.

I live in Denver. No one questions Skeletor. He could have called a kneel and Denver "fans" would be praising his genius.

 

[stevegamer]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

If you think it's 50-50 they make the first down, 50% of the time, they have essentially just given up a FG or worse, TD. I think it's probably 1 in 3, so 67% of the time, essentially they just gave up points.If you punt, you have at least as good a chance of giving up no points as you do of making the first down, plus you have more of big play chance with a fumble or interception, and significantly less chance of giving up 7 points.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Dumb. But at least it was a gamble. Was nothing like the incompetence Del Rio showed at the end of the first half. Declining the penalty which would have kept it 2nd down and stopped the clock. Instead keeping it 3rd down and calling for a spike. Not head coach material by any stretch.

 

[rascal]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play. 1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward). 2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward). 3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight). 4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs. I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

Did you watch the game?Denver had zero time outs left, and their defense had been getting owned all game. I doubt Denver ever would have got the ball back or with enough time to do anything.Every fan I've talked too thought it was the right move.

I live in Denver. No one questions Skeletor. He could have called a kneel and Denver "fans" would be praising his genius.

People question Shanny all the time. And your sentence is just idiotic.

 

[fred_1_15301]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

Assuming the Jags get the ball at the Broncos 45 and move it to the Broncos 33 yd line, that would still be a 50 yard fg (not exactlya chip shot). Presumably, the Jags would be playing conservative trying to kill the clock so it wouldn't be far fetched to believe that the Broncos could make a stop and get the ball back with 2 mins to play. You have to trust your defense in this situation regardless of how they've been playing.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play. 1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward). 2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward). 3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight). 4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs. I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

Did you watch the game?Denver had zero time outs left, and their defense had been getting owned all game. I doubt Denver ever would have got the ball back or with enough time to do anything.Every fan I've talked too thought it was the right move.

I live in Denver. No one questions Skeletor. He could have called a kneel and Denver "fans" would be praising his genius.

People question Shanny all the time. And your sentence is just idiotic.

 

[rascal]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

If you think it's 50-50 they make the first down, 50% of the time, they have essentially just given up a FG or worse, TD. I think it's probably 1 in 3, so 67% of the time, essentially they just gave up points.If you punt, you have at least as good a chance of giving up no points as you do of making the first down, plus you have more of big play chance with a fumble or interception, and significantly less chance of giving up 7 points.

With the way the defense had been performing Shanny had no choice but to go for it. If they punted the chances are about equal to never seeing the ball again. Shanny trusted Cutler and Cutler delivered, unfortunately Graham didn't. If they had gotten the first down and won everybody would be talking about what a genious he is. Shanny is a gambler...you should know that.

 

[rascal]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play. 1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward). 2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward). 3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight). 4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs. I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

Did you watch the game?Denver had zero time outs left, and their defense had been getting owned all game. I doubt Denver ever would have got the ball back or with enough time to do anything.Every fan I've talked too thought it was the right move.

I live in Denver. No one questions Skeletor. He could have called a kneel and Denver "fans" would be praising his genius.

People question Shanny all the time. And your sentence is just idiotic.

thanks for proving my point.

 

[S.K.A.]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play.

1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward).

2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward).

3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight).

4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs.

I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

Did you watch the game?Denver had zero time outs left, and their defense had been getting owned all game. I doubt Denver ever would have got the ball back or with enough time to do anything.

Every fan I've talked too thought it was the right move. They would have completed the first down, but Graham dropped the ball on his way down.

Shocker

 

[Wadsworth]

He was thinking that he'd trust his offense to win the game.

He was thinking that his defense was tired from being on the field the whole game and he'd never see the ball again. The Jags had been on a 6 minute drive the previous possesion when MJD fumbled. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a stupid move. Almost as stupid as the Jags bungling that penalty and spike at end of the first half.

This is exactly what I thought when it happened. Denver's defense had been on the field a lot of time and looked completely worn out. Denver had no time outs. So if Denver punts and the Jags pick up a first down it's basically over with Denver never getting a another chance to win it. It was an agrgressive move and I'm sure he understood it would be second guessed if it didn't work out.

 

[Loopdog]

i disagree. While it was a dumb decision from the outside looking in maybe, you have to look deeper like many above me have just stated. The Broncos D was getting owned and they had no timeouts left. If Daniel Graham holds onto the ball like he should have, nobody would be having this argument. Cutler put it right in his mitts, he dropped it. The Broncos were NOT going to stop the Jags and get the ball back in that game. It was live or die and they died yesterday. I liked it, showed guts.

 

[richn]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

Still you have to play the %'s and give yourself the best chance to win. How come a schmuck like me knows that, and a pro coach doesn't???????

 

[Wadsworth]

Dumb. But at least it was a gamble. Was nothing like the incompetence Del Rio showed at the end of the first half. Declining the penalty which would have kept it 2nd down and stopped the clock. Instead keeping it 3rd down and calling for a spike. Not head coach material by any stretch.

Yea, that was just bizarre. I had visions of Chris Weber calling a time out.

 

[moderated]

I don't see how that was a bad call.

If he punts even if Jax goes 3 and out they can run it off to the 2 minute warning. Then Jax punts and Denver at best gets a touchback and the ball on their own 20 needing a TD with less then 2 minutes left and 0 timeouts. And if Jax does get a 1st the game is over.

It was a good gamble by Shanny. He played to try to win without needing a complete miracle which is what he would have needed had they punted.

 

[richn]

i disagree. While it was a dumb decision from the outside looking in maybe, you have to look deeper like many above me have just stated. The Broncos D was getting owned and they had no timeouts left. If Daniel Graham holds onto the ball like he should have, nobody would be having this argument. Cutler put it right in his mitts, he dropped it. The Broncos were NOT going to stop the Jags and get the ball back in that game. It was live or die and they died yesterday. I liked it, showed guts.

NOT true, I watched the game, and BEFORE he dropped the pass, I said what's he doing. You have to send out your "D" and have a better shot to win the game. I know he NO timeouts left (used the 2nd quarter, another genious move), EVEN MORE of a reason, you miss the pass there, YOU CAN'T STOP THE CLOCK, AND go down by 2 scores.

 

[greenline]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

1) What is between the 45 and the 45?2) I think punting and 3 and out probably is a much higher percentage call than 4th and 6. I could be wrong, but we aren't talking 4th and inches here.

Then what is the subsuquent plan? You punt and assuming JAX gets the ball somewhere between their 45 and your 45. No timeouts, 4:00 left to play, and if they kick a FG, it's a two score game.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Nowhere near the worst coaching move of the day at Mile High, much less of all time.

 

[rascal]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

Still you have to play the %'s and give yourself the best chance to win. How come a schmuck like me knows that, and a pro coach doesn't???????

Because the coach is smarter then you and you are in fact a schmuck.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Nowhere near the worst coaching move of the day at Mile High, much less of all time.

True, but even worse decisions do not make this one a good one.

 

[greenline]

Nowhere near the worst coaching move of the day at Mile High, much less of all time.

True, but even worse decisions do not make this one a good one.

Sorry but it was the right one.

 

[richn]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

Still you have to play the %'s and give yourself the best chance to win. How come a schmuck like me knows that, and a pro coach doesn't???????

Because the coach is smarter then you and you are in fact a schmuck.

He's an idiot

 

[moderated]

Nowhere near the worst coaching move of the day at Mile High, much less of all time.

True, but even worse decisions do not make this one a good one.

Actually i think it was a good decision. He gave his team the best % chance to win the game.They punt:- If JAX gets a 1st down (against a drained Denver D) the game is over.Best case scenerio - Denver gets the ball back on their 20 with < 2 minutes to play and 0 timeouts. I'd say the odds of a team getting a TD in that scenerio is less then 10%.They went for the win and wanted to be in control of what happened. I really think they made the right % play all factors considered.

 

[richn]

Nowhere near the worst coaching move of the day at Mile High, much less of all time.

True, but even worse decisions do not make this one a good one.

Actually i think it was a good decision. He gave his team the best % chance to win the game.They punt:- If JAX gets a 1st down (against a drained Denver D) the game is over.Best case scenerio - Denver gets the ball back on their 20 with < 2 minutes to play and 0 timeouts. I'd say the odds of a team getting a TD in that scenerio is less then 10%.They went for the win and wanted to be in control of what happened. I really think they made the right % play all factors considered.

I guess it's cause for debate.....I think he has to punt, play D, try to win the game.

 

[The Noid]

It's the classic theme of coaches that make that safe choice so if it doesn't work out (they don't get a 3 and out) everyone blames the players. But if the coach takes a risk and it doesn't work, everyone blames the coach.

At least he had the guts to put it all on him if it didn't work because that was the better call of the two choices. Based on how the first 56 minutes played out, they had a better chance of getting the first down than ever seeing the ball again.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

You know what pisses me off more than that? Teams that are down like 20 points in the 4th quarter and still punting on 4th down.

 

[meeka]

So his other option is to punt from the endzone and the opponent gets the ball somewhere between the 45 and the 45.

This would around 4:00 left to play. All you need is to get to the Denver 33 yd line to make it a two score game. Or you just pound the ball and run down the clock.

1) What is between the 45 and the 45?2) I think punting and 3 and out probably is a much higher percentage call than 4th and 6. I could be wrong, but we aren't talking 4th and inches here.

The 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 49, 48, 47, and 46 yard lines. HTH

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Nowhere near the worst coaching move of the day at Mile High, much less of all time.

True, but even worse decisions do not make this one a good one.

Actually i think it was a good decision. He gave his team the best % chance to win the game.They punt:- If JAX gets a 1st down (against a drained Denver D) the game is over.Best case scenerio - Denver gets the ball back on their 20 with < 2 minutes to play and 0 timeouts. I'd say the odds of a team getting a TD in that scenerio is less then 10%.They went for the win and wanted to be in control of what happened. I really think they made the right % play all factors considered.

At first I thought it was a dumb decision, but I think it was actually a smart decision.GOING FOR IT- Get the first down, and have 4 minutes to try and drive down the field and score- Don't get the first down, and the game is overPUNTING- Hold JAX, get the ball deep in their own territory with about 2 minutes left- JAX gets a first down, and the game is overIt comes down to what you think is more likely - Denver converting a 4th and 5 or Denver not allowing JAX to get a first down around midfield. The difference is that they save about 2 minutes in game time by going for the 4th and 5.

 

[turleyfan]

Clearly, Shanny has been reading TMQ.

 

[The Noid]

Easterbrook is going to have an egasim in his column tomorrow, over this.

 

[Prodigal19]

I thought it was the right decision. The fact is that denvers defense was getting absolutely dominated all game. I dont think they forced one three and out. The offense on the otehr hand was playing pretty well and Cutler has done great in clutch situations.

As a matter of fact on 4th down Cutelr did place a perfect ball in the hands of Graham, who some how dropped it. I dont think anybody would have expected Graham to drop a ball like that in that situation.

It was the right decision, it just happened to not turn out well.

 

[Niaboc]

at least do a fake punt return or something not so obvious...

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Denver was down 6 points with 4:30 left in the fourth quarter. He had 4th and 5 from HIS OWN 9. He went for it. THIS GUY GETS PAID BIG $$$ TO COACH FOOTBALL???????? Here is play by play. 1-10-DEN 4 (6:09) (Shotgun) 20-T.Henry up the middle to DEN 7 for 3 yards (97-R.Hayward). 2-7-DEN 7 (5:33) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler sacked at DEN 3 for -4 yards (97-R.Hayward). 3-11-DEN 3 (5:01) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right to 84-J.Walker to DEN 9 for 6 yards (26-S.Knight). 4-5-DEN 9 (4:19) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 89-D.Graham (25-R.Nelson). PENALTY on DEN-89-D.Graham, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced between downs. I had Jacksonville, to me it was just the stupidest coaching move I've ever seen.

This "stupid" coaching move wasmerely a ploy to motivate Tatum Boll.

 

[S.K.A.]

I don't think the defense was being dominated as much as the Shanahan apologists think. The jags were able to run on the defense, but they only put up 326 yards of total offense to Denver's 265 yards.

That is not a huge disparity. There was a big difference in rushing yardage (JAC-186 DEN-47), but the apologists act as if Denver defense would not be able to get a stop against the juggernaut Jacksonville offense. It was the Jag's for cripes sake. If you can't get a stop against a mediocre offense at home in the last minutes of the game, you are in worse trouble than I thought.

The call can be gutsy and dumb at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[rascal]

I don't think the defense was being dominated as much as the Shanahan apologists think. The jags were able to run on the defense, but they only put up 326 yards of total offense to Denver's 265 yards.That is not a huge disparity. There was a big difference in rushing yardage (JAC-186 DEN-47), but the apologists act as if Denver defense would not be able to get a stop against the juggernaut Jacksonville offense. It was the Jag's for cripes sake. If you can't get a stop against a mediocre offense at home in the last minutes of the game, you are in worse trouble than I thought.The call can be gutsy and dumb at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive.

Did you watch the game or are you going off stats?BTW, in analyzing the stats you might want to take a look at the TOP.

 

[S.K.A.]

I don't think the defense was being dominated as much as the Shanahan apologists think. The jags were able to run on the defense, but they only put up 326 yards of total offense to Denver's 265 yards.That is not a huge disparity. There was a big difference in rushing yardage (JAC-186 DEN-47), but the apologists act as if Denver defense would not be able to get a stop against the juggernaut Jacksonville offense. It was the Jag's for cripes sake. If you can't get a stop against a mediocre offense at home in the last minutes of the game, you are in worse trouble than I thought.The call can be gutsy and dumb at the same time, they are not mutually exclusive.

Did you watch the game or are you going off stats?BTW, in analyzing the stats you might want to take a look at the TOP.

I watched the game. I saw the TOP as well. Do you have a point?I am guessing you are telling me that Denver D couldn't get a stop against a mediocre offense at home in the fourth quarter.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

If you'd been watching the game you'd have noticed that Denver's defense had been on the field nearly the entire game and they had given up 21 first downs on 9 posessions and allowed Jacksonville to convert more than 50% of 3rd and 4th down conversions.

If they couldn't stop them all day, what would make you think they would be able to stop them when they were tired and worn down?