What's with the OLD pitchers doing well this year? (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

I know there are few guys who are showing their age when they pitch, but it seems like quite a few of the older guys are doing quite well this year. Guys like Wakefield, Moyer, Glavine, etc.

Does this mean an 80 MPH fastball is harder to hit than a 95 MPH one?

 

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I know there are few guys who are showing their age when they pitch, but it seems like quite a few of the older guys are doing quite well this year. Guys like Wakefield, Moyer, Glavine, etc. Does this mean an 80 MPH fastball is harder to hit than a 95 MPH one? :X

Wake is a knuckler.... age is MUCH less of a concern for him. See : Phil Nekro.

 

[ooofffaaa]

2007 - The Year of the Geezer

 

[dparker713]

I know there are few guys who are showing their age when they pitch, but it seems like quite a few of the older guys are doing quite well this year. Guys like Wakefield, Moyer, Glavine, etc. Does this mean an 80 MPH fastball is harder to hit than a 95 MPH one?

Depends on the pitcher. Harang's 91 MPH fastball with late movement is harder to hit than someone like Farnsworths dead straight 100 MPH fastball. Besides, pitch sequence and location are alot more important than speed.

 

[my man otis]

nah, same thing every year. maddux started out 5-0 last april, ended up at 15-14. 10-14 from may to oct isn't very good.

ratios on older players obviously decline - ERA, WHIP, K rate. wakefield won't keep it up, neither will moyer. Wins are more luck-based (QS-based maybe), so that can stick around for guys like glavine pitching for very good teams.

So, old guys on good teams can keep it up, sell high on old guys on mediocre or bad teams.

 

[dparker713]

nah, same thing every year. maddux started out 5-0 last april, ended up at 15-14. 10-14 from may to oct isn't very good.ratios on older players obviously decline - ERA, WHIP, K rate. wakefield won't keep it up, neither will moyer. Wins are more luck-based (QS-based maybe), so that can stick around for guys like glavine pitching for very good teams.So, old guys on good teams can keep it up, sell high on old guys on mediocre or bad teams.

Moyer is doing more than just winning. He's got a 3.00 ERA with a 1.08 Whip. His K/9 is a not horrible 5.8 and hes got a decent 2.8 BB/9. Though he's due to have his BAA v/ righties go up his overall BAA is .215. Its more than possible he breaks down after the all star break like he did last year, but it won't be because he's due for a decline. And its not like he's gonna break down in May. You should be able to ride him atleast another month before selling.

 

[my man otis]

nah, same thing every year. maddux started out 5-0 last april, ended up at 15-14. 10-14 from may to oct isn't very good.ratios on older players obviously decline - ERA, WHIP, K rate. wakefield won't keep it up, neither will moyer. Wins are more luck-based (QS-based maybe), so that can stick around for guys like glavine pitching for very good teams.So, old guys on good teams can keep it up, sell high on old guys on mediocre or bad teams.

Moyer is doing more than just winning. He's got a 3.00 ERA with a 1.08 Whip. His K/9 is a not horrible 5.8 and hes got a decent 2.8 BB/9. Though he's due to have his BAA v/ righties go up his overall BAA is .215. Its more than possible he breaks down after the all star break like he did last year, but it won't be because he's due for a decline. And its not like he's gonna break down in May. You should be able to ride him atleast another month before selling.

BABIP of .246 is the lowest of his long career. that comes up, so does the whip, etc. same thing w/ that HR/9, esp. pitching for the phillies. Great start for sure, but i'd sell him now versus in a month.

 

[Your Mother]

nah, same thing every year. maddux started out 5-0 last april, ended up at 15-14. 10-14 from may to oct isn't very good.ratios on older players obviously decline - ERA, WHIP, K rate. wakefield won't keep it up, neither will moyer. Wins are more luck-based (QS-based maybe), so that can stick around for guys like glavine pitching for very good teams.So, old guys on good teams can keep it up, sell high on old guys on mediocre or bad teams.

Moyer is doing more than just winning. He's got a 3.00 ERA with a 1.08 Whip. His K/9 is a not horrible 5.8 and hes got a decent 2.8 BB/9. Though he's due to have his BAA v/ righties go up his overall BAA is .215. Its more than possible he breaks down after the all star break like he did last year, but it won't be because he's due for a decline. And its not like he's gonna break down in May. You should be able to ride him atleast another month before selling.

BABIP of .246 is the lowest of his long career. that comes up, so does the whip, etc. same thing w/ that HR/9, esp. pitching for the phillies. Great start for sure, but i'd sell him now versus in a month.

WHIP should be fine, but he's getting lucky with an extremely high AO/HR rate. It's around 26/1 this year, was 8/1 last year, so that'll normalize. He's fine as a reserve/spot starter though.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Let's just hope the Fightin Phils are either legitimately back in the race or looking to sell before Moyer breaks down. If he keeps this up, he could bring a nice prize from a contender looking for pitching.