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Where does Chad end up (1 Viewer)

yellowdog said:
Fallerjw said:
yellowdog said:
I'm torn. As a Bengal fan, I want what's best for the team, which would probably be a trade for a 1st and 2nd. As a fan of the NFL, I'd like to see the Bengals take a stand and not give in, make him sit out or play.

That said, I see CJ as a Buc.
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Why not just ask for 1st round picks for the next 10 years?
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Pat Kirwin says the price is 2 1st round picks. I'd say he's a pretty good source for that type of thing. If they don't get close to that, let him sit.
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no way a team gives two 1st round picks for CJ.
 
I'm hearing from a very reliable source I have that the Bengals/Cowboys are talking and the Cowboys have offered Crayton & the 28th pick in the first round next Saturday.

 
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.

 
osubuckeyeman said:
Shockey is now being thrown around as wanting to be traded!!!!! Players then wonder why owners turn around and want money placed on the back end of contracts. I do understand it works both ways.
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You realize that the Giants offered Shockey to the Saints for Harper/2nd. You do realize this? How is Shockey the bad guy since he was asked a question and answered "I would be OK with being traded".
 
knowledge dropper said:
I would love to see Cincy ship him someplace with a terrible QB situation, like Minnesota. Let's see how many end zone opportunities he gets with T. Jackson throwing the ball. Mike Brown will try to get him as far away as possible - someplace NFC. Washington would make a lot of sense and his fantasy value would take a significant hit.
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Thats a great idea, if the Bengals got something positive for him. His melodrama has put his team in an embarrassing situation. I could see the karma coming back to bite him now and seeing him in a far worse situation this year because of his ungratefulness. How about having some class Chad, and if you cant do that, just have some respect.
 
osubuckeyeman said:
Chachi said:
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.
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So, asking for 26 million up front for a long term deal and then saying I need more money (traded)makes sense???I just can't see any(business) owner doing this at all and I do not agree with Brown very many times, however here I support the decision to let OCHO sit out for 4 years if need be. The Bengals just move on with out him. The ego that is Chad will want back to play and if not, then so be it.
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At first I was like 'get this guy off your team', but after reading your scripts, I agree; let his loud mouth butt keep crying from the bench in Cincinnati-until he shuts up and apologizes!, and then trade him nicely to someone else
 
I think it's all contingent on CJ restructuring his deal, or giving money back.....then a trade can be viable, right?

or once bonus money is paid, will it always be accelerated when the player gets cut/traded, etc.....

Dallas has two first rounders, and they are both late.......the Bengals would take em I am sure. either way, letting go of CJ would set them back a few years....

It's a shame, they have one of the best qbs in the NFL, and his talent is being wasted by a cookie cutter organization

jax close second, JMO....

I think good points were made for seattle as well

 
I still say the eagles involving Lito.

Bengals get help in their D, which they need.

CJ and Lito are almost the same type of player ( even the same with injuries )

 
Chachi said:
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.
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:goodposting: Only making millions and millions of dollars to play football. How is CJ going to feed his family?
 
Fallerjw said:
Chachi said:
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.
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:cry: Only making millions and millions of dollars to play football. How is CJ going to feed his family?
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Chachi is right. Both teams and players sign 5 year contracts all the time. Teams cut players after 3 years all the time for not living up to standards. Players want out of bad organizations that aren't trying to win. The only difference is that the idiot fans and media only rip on the players for doing the exact same thing that the teams do.
 
pnewtonjr said:
Fallerjw said:
Chachi said:
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.
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:cry: Only making millions and millions of dollars to play football. How is CJ going to feed his family?
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Chachi is right. Both teams and players sign 5 year contracts all the time. Teams cut players after 3 years all the time for not living up to standards. Players want out of bad organizations that aren't trying to win. The only difference is that the idiot fans and media only rip on the players for doing the exact same thing that the teams do.
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Yes, I agree. Both sides are to blame. I'm just putting the blame on Chad for this one. He took the upfront money, now wants more or out. He's called out the QB, show boated, had a "me first" attitude, and now he wants out. I have a hard time rewarding behavior like that.
 
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osubuckeyeman said:
pnewtonjr said:
Fallerjw said:
Chachi said:
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.
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:thumbup: Only making millions and millions of dollars to play football. How is CJ going to feed his family?
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Chachi is right. Both teams and players sign 5 year contracts all the time. Teams cut players after 3 years all the time for not living up to standards. Players want out of bad organizations that aren't trying to win. The only difference is that the idiot fans and media only rip on the players for doing the exact same thing that the teams do.
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The situation has nothing to do with Cincy being a bad team not trying to win.Chad agreed to a long term deal HE wanted and at the time CHAD did not want to sign a short term deal, because he wanted the contract loaded in the front end. I can understand that and really that's pretty smart, however you then have to live with that contract for the long term. The team has invested that money in you.Chad now see's the other receivers Fitz and Berrian among others getting better deals 3 years later and CHAD now thinks he made a bad decision in signing a long term deal. Drew Rosehaus has done this with a lot of players and he knows it's a great way to get PAID for himself and the player. Is this wrong??? ...Yes it sure is, BUT if teams allow such a course of action then they(teams) get what they deserve. My opinion in the best intrest of the Bengals long term would be to wait Chad out.Tough situation?? I don't feel bad for CHAD one bit. I'm sure Mike Brown did not hold a gun to his head and say sign. Chad was very happy with the deal at the time. Chad needs to blame his agent if he did not like the deal that was agreed upon.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing the victim here. Contracts are negotiated with the foundation that NFL contracts are not guaranteed. That's precisely why guys demand the meat of the contract guaranteed up front. So what if the team can cut a guy before his contract expires? Presumably he already received the material guaranteeed money from the contract, like he negotiated. The double standard is irrelevant for 'paid' guys. If you want to say the double standard stinks for fringe minimum wager players, ok maybe that's a conversation. But that's just reality for fringe players in the NFL.
 
Can you imagine a team with TO, Chad, Pacman, and Tank Johnson all on the same roster. Talk about a volatile locker room. As a Dallas fan I'm all for it. Bring on the talented idiots. Jerry Jones can bail them all out of prison AFTER they win the Superbowl next year. Get Jared Allen while they're at it too haha.

 
Fallerjw said:
pnewtonjr said:
Fallerjw said:
Chachi said:
Owners throw players to the curb once they're done with them, gotta contract, rip it up and toss you out like trash. It's obscene that this double standard goes on daily and then people rip on Chad like he's the bad guy.
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:cry: Only making millions and millions of dollars to play football. How is CJ going to feed his family?
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Chachi is right. Both teams and players sign 5 year contracts all the time. Teams cut players after 3 years all the time for not living up to standards. Players want out of bad organizations that aren't trying to win. The only difference is that the idiot fans and media only rip on the players for doing the exact same thing that the teams do.
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Yes, I agree. Both sides are to blame. I'm just putting the blame on Chad for this one. He took the upfront money, now wants more or out. He's called out the QB, show boated, had a "me first" attitude, and now he wants out. I have a hard time rewarding behavior like that.
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:link: (Sadly you have him confused with TO)
 
He is going to stay in Cincy. He was the fourth highest paid WR in the NFL last year. He is not one of the four best?". Therefore, the dude is way overpaid. Hush deserves more money, Ocho Stinko does not. The front office believes it and the fans believe it. Let's stop with the Mike Brown is cheap rap on this one. He is paying Chad Johnson very well. Did Chad Johnson offer to give back some of his salary for the Bengals to sign other free agents like other "winners?" Of course not.

This is not really about money. He gets too much of that. It's not about winning because he disappears in big games and shows very little heart on the field - allergic to blocking, abysmal yards after catch, rarely runs the tough pattern over the middle. It is all about what is going on behind the scenes in the locker room where he is perceived as a crybaby prima donna that demands the spotlight and then melts when he gets it. His act has grown tired for everyone in the locker room and he probably got a lot of grief for his bulletin board material over the years.

He does not need more money or more respect. He needs a sports psychologist or a few rounds in the "hamburger drill" the first day of training camp. I am sure there would be plenty of volunteers to jump into the fray with CJ.

 
osubuckeyeman said:
Just to clarify being a Bengal fan. I would say let him sit under these current conditions.I have a feeling Chad will come back. I must say I did think the damage would hurt more and if the Bengals could get FAIR market value and it appears in to be a good PR move and the franchise can save face then do it, BUT only if both conditions could be met.CLARIFYING THE JOHNSON CAP HITPosted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2008, 7:07 a.m. Whenever the possibility of trading Chad Johnson comes up, Mark Curnutte of the Cincinnati Enquirer crows about the supposedly crippling cap hit that the Bengals would take if they were to trade or release Johnson.Again on Wednesday, Curnutte asserts that “the club can simply not afford to trade the wide receiver or terminate his contract.”Curnutte continues to point to an $8 million cap hit that the Bengals would take. But Curnutte also continues to minimize and/or overlook a couple of key facts.First, the June 1 rule permits the cap charge to be spread over two seasons. If Johnson is traded or released after June 1, the dead money in 2008 will be considerably smaller, apparently in the neighborhood of $3 million. He also can be cut now, with the move designated as a post-June 1 transaction. Second, since the Bengals would avoid Johnson’s $3 million base salary for 2008 (and his $250,000 workout bonus, which they’ve presumably already been relieved from paying due to his failure to report for voluntary offseason workouts), it’s a wash in 2008 dollars.Third, any cap hit in 2009 would be offset by $4.75 million in salary and workout bonus that the Bengals wouldn’t have to pay to Johnson next year.Third, Curnutte makes his claims without setting forth any facts regarding the team’s projected cap situation in 2009, when the maximum per-team spending limit is virtually certain to increase by another $7 million or more, exceeding $120 million for the first time. So what’s $5 million or so in dead money, especially when $4.75 million or so in new money wouldn’t be paid to a guy with a stick in his butt?Remember this — we’re talking about the Bengals. Mike Brown is one of those owners who would be happy to operate without a salary cap because there likewise would be no salary floor. Cutting or trading Johnson means in essence that the Bengals get extra credit toward the salary floor without spending any more money.Our guess in this regard is that the Bengals are privately using the cap hit to help sell their decision to the fan base to dig in their heels and not trade Johnson, even if at some point it’s in the team’s best short-term and long-term interests to do so. Sooner or later, the fans are going to demand that something be done; we think the Bengals are trying to head that off by floating a specious argument based on financial realities that in reality inure to the benefit of the chronically frugal franchise.
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As far as real $ spent, do you think they're gambling on Chad sitting all but the mandated 6 weeks? 6 game checks would be a pretty low price to let him rot.
 
bostonfred said:
DBIsports said:
bostonfred said:
As a Pats fan, I'd hate to see it, but the team that should go after him is Indy. Get the ridiculous set of weapons back in front of Manning while the defense is still at its peak and take a shot at getting Manning 51.
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Indianapolis is an organization that stays away from bitter malcontents,with one year vengeance plans
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I understand that, but Chad Johnson with Wayne, Clark, Harrison, Gonzalez, and Addai would probably be the best receiving corps Manning ever had. With the defense in decent shape, they'd be taking maximum advantage of their window, and it wouldn't take long at all for Johnson and Manning to get to know each other. Plus, Indy would have every NFL commercial ever made.
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So under this scenario he's going to be happy being the 6th option and totally out of the limelight. My opinion but he doesn't see the field for the Colts unless someone gets injured.+ Dungy doesn't want players that are ME first.I think he plays in Cincy this season. At the end of 2008 he can think his agent for ruining his career. Man I hope he can rap because he'll need something to provide for his family in 2009.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
2. Jags: Putrid WR and the draft has not been kind to them in the past at WR. Getting Johnson could put them over the top in the AFC arms race.
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Seriously. The Pats and Colts have 4th options better than Johnson. One WR doesn't make a run first team with a running QB an elite passing team.

The Jags may end up being better than the Colts or Pats (I don't think so) but it's going to be with ground control and defense.

 
Steffy said:
Deranged Hermit said:
2. Jags: Putrid WR and the draft has not been kind to them in the past at WR. Getting Johnson could put them over the top in the AFC arms race.
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Seriously. The Pats and Colts have 4th options better than Johnson. One WR doesn't make a run first team with a running QB an elite passing team.

The Jags may end up being better than the Colts or Pats (I don't think so) but it's going to be with ground control and defense.
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HUH?!?!?!?
 
Deranged Hermit said:
bostonfred said:
yellowdog said:
I'm torn. As a Bengal fan, I want what's best for the team, which would probably be a trade for a 1st and 2nd.
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That would certainly be best for the Bengals.
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I honestly don't think they'll get even close to that much. Maybe a 1st OR a 2nd, but not both. Than again, with Dan Snyder in the equation, you have to expect the unexpected.....
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several people in this thread have commented on NO WAY will Cincy get 2 first or a first and a secondFloyd Reese, just retired GM of the Titans was on ESPN today and metioned it would take something near this return to get Chad Johnsonso it has been said by a few experts in the business now, time to start thinking it may be close to truthso a first and a good playeror a first and a secondlooks like that's what it's gonna take
 
Lash said:
Deranged Hermit said:
bostonfred said:
yellowdog said:
I'm torn. As a Bengal fan, I want what's best for the team, which would probably be a trade for a 1st and 2nd.
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That would certainly be best for the Bengals.
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I honestly don't think they'll get even close to that much. Maybe a 1st OR a 2nd, but not both. Than again, with Dan Snyder in the equation, you have to expect the unexpected.....
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several people in this thread have commented on NO WAY will Cincy get 2 first or a first and a secondFloyd Reese, just retired GM of the Titans was on ESPN today and metioned it would take something near this return to get Chad Johnsonso it has been said by a few experts in the business now, time to start thinking it may be close to truthso a first and a good playeror a first and a secondlooks like that's what it's gonna take
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If that's what cincy is holding out for, then he's CJ likely will be a Bengal this season. I can't see any team paying that price. Can you?
 
probably not, just pointing out that experts are saying this is the price that it SHOULD take to get him based on his talent

so for some reason, whether he should be or not, he is looked upon as a greater commodity than TO or Moss back when teams were trying to trade those two

 
Chachi said:
I'm hearing from a very reliable source I have that the Bengals/Cowboys are talking and the Cowboys have offered Crayton & the 28th pick in the first round next Saturday.
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If this is anyhwere near true, I would be thrilled to cut bait with Chad, especially if they could wait until after June 1. Does anyone know if there are any rules against a trade where Cincy would tell Dallas who to take at #28, then have them part of the trade a month later? If they could get Crayton, then maybe get Mayo with the #28, they could use their 2nd on someone like Kelly or even more defense.
 
Steffy said:
Deranged Hermit said:
2. Jags: Putrid WR and the draft has not been kind to them in the past at WR. Getting Johnson could put them over the top in the AFC arms race.
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Seriously. The Pats and Colts have 4th options better than Johnson. One WR doesn't make a run first team with a running QB an elite passing team.

The Jags may end up being better than the Colts or Pats (I don't think so) but it's going to be with ground control and defense.
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You're right, having a stud WR who can stretch the field can't possibly help the running game. WTF was I thinking? :pickle:
 
I cant see anyone giving a 1 and 2 for a 30 yr old malcontent that hears footsteps, doesnt block and doesnt have after the catch moves.

 
bshipper said:
Chachi said:
I'm hearing from a very reliable source I have that the Bengals/Cowboys are talking and the Cowboys have offered Crayton & the 28th pick in the first round next Saturday.
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If this is anyhwere near true, I would be thrilled to cut bait with Chad, especially if they could wait until after June 1. Does anyone know if there are any rules against a trade where Cincy would tell Dallas who to take at #28, then have them part of the trade a month later? If they could get Crayton, then maybe get Mayo with the #28, they could use their 2nd on someone like Kelly or even more defense.
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I can't see why not. :sadbanana:
 
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