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Where to draft Gronk? (1 Viewer)
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Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Drafting ten out of twelve and if he is there going to have to look at it really hard.
Pots
Footballguy
-jb-
Footballguy
I have him at the end of the first. It's less about where he falls from a VBD perspective and more based on how most people draft. By getting him at the end of the first, you can pair him up with a low end RB1, then get a low end WR1 or 2 at the end of the third. That's a great start to any draft. This assumed 12 teams.
Shawnky
Footballguy
I have the 10th pick this year, and I can't even bring myself to draft him in the 2nd based on the dynamic of my team in the mocks I've done. In a 1 pt PPR league last year he ranked 38th in scoring. Greg Olsen who was the 5th ranked TE was only 44 pts behind him. Someone else can have him at that price.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Late 1st round for me in a typical 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE format. There are about 5 RBs and 5WRs that I would take before Gronk.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well for starters, it's a bit silly to compare the total points of QBs to non-QBs unless you're in the habit of drafting Joe Flacco over Julio Jones.
That brings him to about 17th among non-QBs. Factor in his slow start as his ACL got back into form and his utter positional dominance relative to any of the guys above him and you have your answer.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Considering you typically only start 1 at QB and 1 at TE it isn't silly. I think people are so caught up in the awe of his ability that it's clouding their decision making. I know he won't be on my team at that price tag, and I'm cool with that. I hope he goes in the 1st in my league. I almost made the mistake of drafting Graham at 10 last year because I'm a saints fan. He was only 23 pts behind Gronk. Glad I didn't. I wouldn't have made the playoffs or won the title as I did.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Shawnky
Footballguy
If this is your take then I know I'm right on this subject. Thanks for completely validating my take on the situation. Something that I know over the past 2 years is that your pompous take on anything on this forum is not the thing to do. I'll continue making championship games because of this.
Banger
Footballguy
Snap counts not box scores.
The value in Gronk is the difference in PPG from him to TE9 - 12. It's far more than the difference between Luck and QB9-12.
Gronk is far and away the best at his position, and the gap grows immensely the further down the list you go. The QB's don't spread so far so fast.
Banger
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
50 dollar leagues are fun arent they?Now, i dont do this on this forum at all, but just this once since you seem to be saying I am wrong about everything.
I am in three high stakes FFPC leagues. Last year I won the title in two of them and finished second in the other, and that team went 13-0 scoring the second most points of all the FFPC dynasty teams.
I think that shows a tad bit more validity as to who someone should possibly listen to rather than you, a guy who doesnt seem to recognize Gronk obliterated his knee like 7-8 months before the start of last year, yet still had a very good year despite not being himself. People probably won title because of Gronk considering he has a great weeks 14-16 stretch. But meh, why bother with those pesky details.
Keep on keepin on. But if you insist on calling out my track record it might help to look it up first.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Surely you understand that there is more to it than this, with your unprecedented run of championships and all that.
QB6 scored 89% as many points as QB1 last year. QB12 scored 76% as many points as QB1. Scoring wise most years, there is only a moderate difference between a premiere QB1 and a middle of the pack QB1.
On the flipside of that, TE6 scored only 68% as many points as Gronk did last year, and TE12 scored only 56% as many points as Gronk, and that's not even accounting for Gronk sitting out week 17.
In fact, to get to the kind of positional dominance that Gronk had over TE6 last year, you have to go all the way down to QB18 when comparing them to Luck. Yes, that is to say that statistically Gronk provides as big an advantage over almost every other TE in the league as Andrew Luck provides over Andy Dalton. And to get as large an advantage as Gronk provided over TE12? Well now we're looking at comparing Luck to Derek Carr or Ryan Fitzpatrick on the QB side.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Gronk and Watt are the two biggest positional advantages in fantasy.
grateful zed
Footballguy
Shawnky
Footballguy
I get what you're saying. Still doesn't change how out of wack the teams dYnamic will be. Jimmy Graham was getting the same 1st rd hype last year. How many teams do you think made the playoffs doing that?
Shawnky
Footballguy
I can agree with this. Does that makes them 1st rd picks where there position is required in a lineup.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I nam leaning towards taking him 6th. Even better in our league, we have a WR/TE flex spot. Obviously I want to retain the positional advantage and keep him at TE, but it gives me some flexibility if my team doesn't shake up how I hoped. I used Graham and Julius this way 2 years ago to good results. The flexibility of your lineups plays a huge role in anyone's value and I'd always something to consider.
The General
Footballguy
If Brady misses 4 games I'd think you'd have to bump him down some.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
What are you talking about. In September he averaged 10 ppg. For the rest of the year he averaged 19.
That is PPR.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well sure, let's just ignore that Graham's production fell off by 35% last year. But to answer your question, I would say they probably did better than teams that drafted AJ Green, who's production fell by almost the exact same amount, in the 1st round last year
kutta
Footballguy
Let's give him the first four weeks to round into form. From weeks 5-16 last year, Gronk was the fifth ranked WR, ahead of both Dez and Jordy. At the TE position! I'm sure you understand what that means to your roster.
If we just count the whole year, he was the 8th wranked WR. Still pretty darn impressive.
ponchsox
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
And interestingly, Charles and AP aren't necessarily first rounders in leagues that don't require a RB.
The General
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Its just 4(maybe even fewer) games to ride it out. Its not like he is going to lay a goose egg in those games. He is going to score something. then when Brady gets back and renews the chemistry that they had at the end of the year then its lights out. I dont think you drop him at all in regards to the suspension. You simply know exactly what you are getting.
The General
Footballguy
Agreed. If it's 4 games which we should hopefully know before the season it is enough reason for me to knock him down a little still. I'd still take him in late the 1st round in TE leagues.
If we find out Brady gets his suspension lifted he may be top 3 pick because the Pats are probably going to go scorched earth and throw the ball 50 times a game.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If there was no TE position he would be in the discussion as a 2nd round pick. I do not know of any leagues that don't require a TE, nor would I even bother playing in one, but that is where I would put him if no TE was required.
Since any normal league has a TE requirement, I would rank him in the first round of every format I have ever played.
Potentially #1 in the 1.5 PPR for TE leagues. Especially this year when there is no clear 2nd TE to look at. The next closest looks to be 100 points in the rearview.
Since any normal league has a TE requirement, I would rank him in the first round of every format I have ever played.
Potentially #1 in the 1.5 PPR for TE leagues. Especially this year when there is no clear 2nd TE to look at. The next closest looks to be 100 points in the rearview.
Shawnky
Footballguy
This has to be considered. I'm not ruling out that Gronk could be like Calvin and Larry of the past. We don't know what Garaloppolo is.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
if one of your starting WR"s was Edelman would you still draft Gronk high and start WR/TE ?
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
I would take him near the end of the first round. I would be afraid to take him top five though. He gets too banged up every year.
ghostguy123
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Meatwad Reloaded
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
It would not be completely out of the question that Gronk scores DOUBLE what the #2 TE this season. Given all factors involved, I can see Gronk going 1300/16+ on the season.
Many of the other TE appear to have legit reasons to score less than they did last year. New teams, new coordinators, suspensions, etc.
If Gronk scores like a Top 3 WR, would he not be worth a first round pick (and he out scored the #2 TE by 100+ points)?
Many of the other TE appear to have legit reasons to score less than they did last year. New teams, new coordinators, suspensions, etc.
If Gronk scores like a Top 3 WR, would he not be worth a first round pick (and he out scored the #2 TE by 100+ points)?
