Which RBBC would you rather have (1 Viewer)

[red]

i've seen people using the turn to select both players from one team to shore up the running back position, not as much to handcuff but to possibly play both players (in a start 3 RB league) as RB2 and RB3.

this got me thinking. which tandem would you rather have:

Ten's lendale white + chris johnson

or

Car's deangelo williams + johnathan stewart.

similar situations with a "veteran" that has some concerns, a rookie who is lighting up camp/preseason and two teams on the rise contending for playoff spots.

 

[BigJim®]

Carolina by far.

 

[Unlucky]

Carolina by far.

 

[Big Score]

deangelo williams + johnathan stewart

 

[MAC_32]

Carolina's RB's seem to be available later so I'd have to say them if I had to say one or the other, but I wouldn't go out of my way to draft either RBBC.

 

[shredhead]

I'd rather have the Tennessee duo. I think their roles are more clearly defined right now. Len Dale is going to be the main back to start the year, and Johnson will be more of a change of pace guy, or a guy who goes in to give the whale a breather. When your as big as LenWhale, you need breathers more often. Even later in the season when Johnson may or may not start taking more carries from White, LenDale will more than likely still be the goal line dude. I could even see the Titans use Johnson in a Reggie Bush type role, having both LenDale and Chris on the field at the same time. I also see Tennessee being more of a run first team than Carolina. The Panthers have a better receiving threat, so I see them using it. The only thing to worry about with the Titans is Vince Young taking too many of those rushing yards.

Carolina I see as a true RBBC from the onset of the season with them going with the hot player from week to week. I think there will be more guess work involved in setting your roster with this tandem.

Disclaimer: I have the LenDale/Johnson tandem in one league already, so I may be biased in my above opinion. I'm trying not to be, but you know how that goes.

 

[EBF]

Carolina by far.

 

[Sweet Love]

Carolina, definitely. The passing game in Charlotte is better than in Tenn, thereby opposing D's have to respect the pass and Stew/Will will see less pressure than Johnson/White. I also think people are forgetting about Chris Henry. I doubt he will end up with more than 10% of the carries on the year for Tenn, but no one else will run the ball in Carolina except for Stewart and Williams.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Good question. Breaking down when you would have to draft each looks like this...

Titans

LenDale White

non-PPR 26th RB, 60th overall

PPR 26th RB, 60th overall

Chris Johnson

non-PPR 37th RB, 96th overall

PPR 35th RB, 85th overall

sum of picks to get both:

non-PPR 156

PPR 145

Panthers

Jonathan Stewart

non-PPR 29th RB, 69th overall

PPR-27th RB, 64th overall

DeAngelo Williams

non-PPR 33rd RB, 78th overall

PPR 31st RB, 74th overall

sum of picks to get both:

non-PPR 147

PPR 138

It would be slightly more difficult to get the Carolina RB tandem than Tennessee's. The Titans and Jeff Fisher love to run, but so does John Fox now that he has the RBs he wants.

Last year's RB carries:

CAR 406

TEN 438

07 Rushing TDs

TEN 14

CAR 7

Strength of Schedule: Slight lean to Carolina

In other words - it's a crap shoot right now with maybe a slight lean to Carolina.

 

[shredhead]

07 Rushing TDs

TEN 14

CAR 7

Strength of Schedule: Slight lean to Carolina

In other words - it's a crap shoot right now with maybe a slight lean to Carolina.

I did read and am not ignoring all your numbers, but I didn't want to have such a long quote. With the TD's 14-7 last year, I'd think the slight lean would go the other way to Tennessee. How many of those TD's were from VY? I'm going to have to look that up. I'm still happy with my Tenn duo.

 

[footballsavvy]

This is a tough one with so many variables.

I feel certain that Lendale White will have at least 250 carries and Tennessee as a whole will rush the ball in the 450-500 range this year. This will put Chris Johnson with about the same number of carries as someone like Reggie Bush and I likewise expect him to catch nearly as many passes as Bush.

Carolina I feel much less certain about how they will use the two backs. I don't see them rushing the ball quite as much as a team since they have a much more balanced attack than Tennessee. That being said, if either one of those guys ends up getting 15+ carries regularly, they will probably way outperform Lendale White.

Its a tough decision. I see the Carolina tandem as a boom or bust. The bust being a perfectly even split and the boom being one guy taking over as the main ball carrier. If one guy takes over, look for possible stats like this: 260 carries 1170 yds, 40 receptions 320 yds with around 10 total TD's.

I see Tennessee as a safer tandem with Lendale getting consistent carries, but not huge upside (average ypc and low TD total). The only potential boom upside with Tennessee is if you are in a PPR league and Chris Johnson ends up with a ton of reception this year and manages to still get around 200 carries. I imagine Johnsons extreme upside as 200 carries 1000 yards, 70 receptions 560 yards and 10 total TD's. This would give him around 286 fantasy points in a PPR league and he would be pushing top 5 back.... but, again, this is extreme upside and unlikely.

Summary: I have Lendale and Johnson in one league as deep, safe backups to my starters (also have Perry, R. Williams and M. Morris as backup safety nets). In my other league I grabbed the Carolina tandem as my RB3 hoping for one of them to take the lead and possibly even unseat my RB2 (portis) down the road. Tennessee backs are safe and won't lose games for you. Carolina backs are boom or bust and will either lose games for you or win them for you depnding on how it pans out. These are just my opinions, of course (based on all the same info that everyone else has available to them).

 

[Jeff Haseley]

07 Rushing TDs

TEN 14

CAR 7

Strength of Schedule: Slight lean to Carolina

In other words - it's a crap shoot right now with maybe a slight lean to Carolina.

I did read and am not ignoring all your numbers, but I didn't want to have such a long quote. With the TD's 14-7 last year, I'd think the slight lean would go the other way to Tennessee. How many of those TD's were from VY? I'm going to have to look that up. I'm still happy with my Tenn duo.

All of those are rushing TDs from RBs. LenDale 7, C. Brown 5, C. Henry 2.

 

[the spanker]

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[red]

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[bucsbaby]

I recently traded Chris Perry + D. Williams for C. Johnson + M. Morris. He now has the Cinci RBBC and the Car RBBC and I have the Ten RBBC and Sea RBBC. We both have ok fantasy knowledge and both evaluated the trade as the most balanced possible 2-for-2 swap (he is high on Stewart who is his #1 RB and I feel meh about all players involved).

Right now I have both committees on my bench. We start 3 RBs in a .5 ppr league. My current starters are K. Smith, R. Bush, and the Denver RBBC (Young currently). We had a really strange draft (see the IDP section for my posting if interested) and a few of us ended up short on RB, but stacked everywhere else. I'm hoping to either trade for a #1 RB or play the matchups on the Denver/Sea/Tenn RBBCs all year while hoping for Hightower or Rice to emerge next year or to pick up a #1 RB in next year's draft (we keep our entire 40 man roster in this dynasty league).

If any of these RBs can break out into the top 15 I have as good a chance as any of the other 9 teams to win the championship this year.

 

[the spanker]

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Thanks Red. I know that was an odd request and appreciate your permission to interrupt your thread here, just for a moment.The question you posed is something I've thought about for my upcoming draft and instead of targeting either RBBC for Ten or Car I believe you would get much better value by targeting the DEN backfield of Young and Hall. In virtually all of the mocks and drafts I've been associated with Hall has been overlooked.Do you agree?

 

[the spanker]

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Thanks Red. I know that was an odd request and appreciate your permission to interrupt your thread here, just for a moment.The question you posed is something I've thought about for my upcoming draft and instead of targeting either RBBC for Ten or Car I believe you would get much better value by targeting the DEN backfield of Young and Hall. In virtually all of the mocks and drafts I've been associated with Hall has been overlooked.Do you agree?

Sorry if I stuck my neck out there but I think Young/Hall could get similar production at a much lower price. Please ignore if I overstepped here

 

[red]

i haven't really been following the DEN running game because of the history skeletor has with creating a mess out of FF. on the other hand, the same idea can be applied to DEN as well as SEA if you are high on MoMo and JJ. personally, i think the running games for CAR and TEN will greatly out perform both SEA and DEN with a chance that one of the RB (out of the 4) from either team could break the top 10 if the planets align. i don't see that happening for young, hall, momo or JJ, although you are able to get them much cheaper than white, johnson, williams and stewart.

 

[T Bell]

Carolina by far.

Not even close.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Does Chris Henry have ANY value at all?

 

[the spanker]

i haven't really been following the DEN running game because of the history skeletor has with creating a mess out of FF. on the other hand, the same idea can be applied to DEN as well as SEA if you are high on MoMo and JJ. personally, i think the running games for CAR and TEN will greatly out perform both SEA and DEN with a chance that one of the RB (out of the 4) from either team could break the top 10 if the planets align. i don't see that happening for young, hall, momo or JJ, although you are able to get them much cheaper than white, johnson, williams and stewart.

Good analysis and my thoughts as well. If you take the RBBC for Ten and Car you'll probably have to pay a much higher price for them. Whoever you target first on either team, you will more than likely take the other back too soon and not get the value you want. On the other hand, as you've stated, if one goes down (in the Car backfield, I like much better) than you may have hit the jackpot. But then other than Young and Hall, who right now is a real threat to steal carries? Pittman has been moved to FB. Just a thought to consider.

 

[BigJim®]

07 Rushing TDs

TEN 14

CAR 7

Strength of Schedule: Slight lean to Carolina

In other words - it's a crap shoot right now with maybe a slight lean to Carolina.

I did read and am not ignoring all your numbers, but I didn't want to have such a long quote. With the TD's 14-7 last year, I'd think the slight lean would go the other way to Tennessee. How many of those TD's were from VY? I'm going to have to look that up. I'm still happy with my Tenn duo.

I don't think 2007 rushing TDs should be given much weight at all. Between Carolina's OL woes, QB catastrophe, and championing of Foster, I see this as somewhat apples/oranges. It's been well reported that Fox wants a running team and they seem to be headed in the right direction, with ample talent at the position to succeed. That 7 TD number should be much, much higher in 2008. I'd wager it will more than double, and could triple.

 

[jon_mx]

I think LenDale will score the most points out of the bunch, and since you will only be starting one (I would hope), it is better to have the White/Johnson duo, or perhaps only White. Williams/Stewart duo will likely outscore the White/Johnson duo, but picking who will score the most points on any given week between Williams and Stewart will be a crap shoot. I would MUCH rather have LenDale White and not worry about guessing who is gonna be scoring the TD's or getting the most carried each week. I always guess wrong in those situations, and I don't like to have to think about it that much.

 

[red]

i haven't really been following the DEN running game because of the history skeletor has with creating a mess out of FF. on the other hand, the same idea can be applied to DEN as well as SEA if you are high on MoMo and JJ. personally, i think the running games for CAR and TEN will greatly out perform both SEA and DEN with a chance that one of the RB (out of the 4) from either team could break the top 10 if the planets align. i don't see that happening for young, hall, momo or JJ, although you are able to get them much cheaper than white, johnson, williams and stewart.

i should add to the mix Fred Taylor and MJD. if anyone started BOTH players weekly, i suspect they got RB2 (borderline RB1) production but from 2 roster spots.

 

[sho nuff]

If I was picking both and having to play both as a RB2 and RB3...it would be carolina.

If I was picking one starter and one bench guy...give me Tennessee.

I think Lendale will do better individually than Stewart or Williams...but as a consistent tandem think Carolina's duo outproduces Tennessee's.

If that makes any sense.

 

[jon_mx]

i haven't really been following the DEN running game because of the history skeletor has with creating a mess out of FF. on the other hand, the same idea can be applied to DEN as well as SEA if you are high on MoMo and JJ. personally, i think the running games for CAR and TEN will greatly out perform both SEA and DEN with a chance that one of the RB (out of the 4) from either team could break the top 10 if the planets align. i don't see that happening for young, hall, momo or JJ, although you are able to get them much cheaper than white, johnson, williams and stewart.

i should add to the mix Fred Taylor and MJD. if anyone started BOTH players weekly, i suspect they got RB2 (borderline RB1) production but from 2 roster spots.

Both Fred and MJD were top 20 RB scorers last year. with MJD being 13th best RB and Fred being the 18th. So MJD by himself was nearly a RB1 and Fred was a solid RB2.

 

[sho nuff]

i haven't really been following the DEN running game because of the history skeletor has with creating a mess out of FF. on the other hand, the same idea can be applied to DEN as well as SEA if you are high on MoMo and JJ. personally, i think the running games for CAR and TEN will greatly out perform both SEA and DEN with a chance that one of the RB (out of the 4) from either team could break the top 10 if the planets align. i don't see that happening for young, hall, momo or JJ, although you are able to get them much cheaper than white, johnson, williams and stewart.

i should add to the mix Fred Taylor and MJD. if anyone started BOTH players weekly, i suspect they got RB2 (borderline RB1) production but from 2 roster spots.

Taylor and MJD probably don't belong in that mix though. They were both top 15 backs in my league last year (MJD 13th, Taylor tied for 15th)

 

[red]

i haven't really been following the DEN running game because of the history skeletor has with creating a mess out of FF. on the other hand, the same idea can be applied to DEN as well as SEA if you are high on MoMo and JJ. personally, i think the running games for CAR and TEN will greatly out perform both SEA and DEN with a chance that one of the RB (out of the 4) from either team could break the top 10 if the planets align. i don't see that happening for young, hall, momo or JJ, although you are able to get them much cheaper than white, johnson, williams and stewart.

i should add to the mix Fred Taylor and MJD. if anyone started BOTH players weekly, i suspect they got RB2 (borderline RB1) production but from 2 roster spots.

Taylor and MJD probably don't belong in that mix though. They were both top 15 backs in my league last year (MJD 13th, Taylor tied for 15th)

i guess my point was that last year (not recalling their exact ADP) was a similar situation. IIRC, i think MJD was a late second/early 3rd rounder and fred taylor a 6th?