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Its ballsy, and I like turbin, just dont see it next year. Few years, yeah, why not.
He's easily better than Williams. If you think Stewart won't want a huge contract to stay (which won't happen), you're nuts.
I agree with you and I think he could be the man in Green Bay or some where else, but he came out and said he likes Carolina and wants to stay there. Does that mean he gives a home team discount? I don't know, but with Cam, Williams and Tolbert there he will never get the work load of Peterson, Mccoy, Foster, Rice, Lynch etc.
I just think Houston's O-line skews everything. nothing against Tate, but him and Foster have gaping holes to run through on a consistent basis. I dont know that he will be as impressive in a different situation.Spiller, is the guy for me. I truly believe he is a top 10 back in the league, just needs his shot. The problem for him is he needs Fred Jackson out of the mix....... anyone know anyone that I can make a call to
Has a lot of make you miss. Explosive breakaway speed and acceleration. Excellent receiver. Film doesn't show a lot of bt the tackles stuff or how he absorbs/churns through contact but if he has already accelerated it doesn't matter he'll either outrun you, make you miss, slide off of you or beat the angle.
So much hype around this guy that is undeserved. You guys are wishing upon a star.'Porkchop Express said:
Agree with you that Tate is the obvious answer to the question, but he also carries a higher price tag than almost anyone listed.
When Tate's contract is up he'll be in his prime (25) and have very low mileage. He as looked good but I do think the fantasy world is high on him since most of us has spent a mid-1st in him and he does produce nice #s.
I could see him going to another team to compete, but that is probably a few years off. By then, he may be just another decent back.In the now pass-friendly league, the days of Turner-like RB contracts are probably a thing of a past, unless it's a proven stud.
Don't see it. To fit what the OP is asking for, this means the player has to either go somewhere and emerge, ala Michael Turner, or he has to simply replace what the team has.For contract purposes, I don't see Williams going anywhere for a few seasons.Beanie seems to be a popular bash target but in real life, the team likes him, he's under contract, he HAS (contrary to popular skewed thoughts)been productive, and he is very young. I just don't see it.Worst case scenario, let's assume Beanie is not part of the picture at all. All that means is that the Cards will draft someone so I'm not sure Williams is the type of answer that the OP is looking for ( a clear-cut, ready to do the job guy).I think the easier ones to imagine are guys like:JSTEW (either in Carolina or moving on to somewhere else)Wilson next year will likely be probable.Someone mentioned Felix Jones. For all the "cant stay healthy" talk, he produces nicely when he does play and Dallas hasn't seemed to be able to feature a good RB in years. So, for a guy that really isn't any more brittle than DMAC, with a change of scenery, why not?Turbin was mentioned by someone. I think that has some legs to it. Won't bore people with the long details, but things change fast in the NFL. I could see it.On a much smaller impact scale, looking into the future, I would pay a small price right now for guys like Taiwan Jones, Joe McKnight, and even Knowshon Moreno. For very different reasons, all these guys have a quality or two that is intriguing that we have seen work in fantasy and all are very young. Ben Tate is the one guy on this list that I would NOT go with. Here's the thing with him: He is under contract until the end of 2013. So, you are waiting until 2014 and he would be 26 by then. Again, things change too fast in the NFL. It COULD pay off, but that's a JSTEW-like wait for a guy that is not as good a payoff as a guy like JSTEW. Tate was fantasy-viable on a better than average rate last year. But a few things are certain: 1)he's not as dynamic as foster and 2)as great as Foster is in fantasy, there are a lot of people that wonder "is it the system"? What that means for Tate is that, barring a significant injury, Tate will never bump Foster. So, he has to leave; which means 2014. And if that is the case, you have to answer the "Is it the system" question and you have to answer, in general, is he really that good? Again, he might be a fine player. I think its hard to know, but it looks like a long wait to find out and there are almost certainly better options.
That's the biggest problem with Spiller. He is explosive, fast, and makes you miss, but, jsut as was mentioned, you never see between-the-tackle, move the pile big plays from Spiller.Someone not familiar with him could be shown this video and told he is a WR and its believable. His big plays look "non-RB-like" and gimicky. Which is fine, but I'm not sure you take a guy like this as a long-term fantasy RB stud when he appears more like a specialist who will have ups and downs, depending on use and situaiton, like Reggie Bush, Sproles, etc. For what he does best (great in space, runs fast, makes you miss), why not spend a lot less and get a guy like taiwan Jones, who, if/when he is used similarly, will do all these things too...and appears to be shiftier and faster?
Some of those catches were pretty impressive to my untrained eyes. But the fact that they target him with some of those passes is really what should speak to his ability. They wouldn't throw him the ball like that if they didn't see something from him in that department.I am impressed with him, but he's a dicey play as Fred Jackson is legit and while he may be getting older, his odometer says he'll be around for a couple more years. And even if he isn't, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Buffalo find another back to share the load with Spiller.P.S. How about that block from Fitzpatrick at 1:00?? Gotta like that.
This is a good summary. I actually think Stewart has a good shot at going somewhere new and he'll be the highest paid FA RB, so it will be somewhere that is going to use him. He could be drafted as a top 10 back next year. Although, it is worth considering - how much does Carolina have to spend in order to fulfill their salary cap obligations? They just might pay him a ton because they have to spend it on someone, right?Second, I really like Hillis. He's going to be rushing for his 2010 OC on a team built to run. He's going to look good and get plenty of opps. I think he'll parlay a 1000/10 rushing capaign into a starting job in 2013. Even if he gets into another RBBC, his well rounded game and goal line prowess will make sure he's the highest scoring RB in any RBBC.Third, I like Blount. People say he had a terrible year but averaging 4.2 on a sinking ship like Tampa is nothing to shake a stick at. His QB was awful and the coaches rarely gave him a chance to get in the flow of the game. I think he'll hold off Martin this year and earn himself a starting job in 2013, possibly still with the Bucs.Conversely, I think LeShoure is a longshot given the achilles injury. Have any RBs successfully come back from that? Wilson and Martin have yet to show anything in the NFL, so expecting 250+ touches is a bit ambitious. Chances are that at leat one of them is a bust. I know it seems impossible to many right now, but probability is your friend. Let other people overpay for rookies.
Because in the final 6 games of the season last year, after Jackson went out Spiller was the 6th best fantasy back in that time. He also did it against some teams still playing for something like the Broncos, Titans, Chargers, Jets, and Patriots. The other game was against Miami which they were actually good against the run. Last 6 games he had 633 total yards 24 catches for the ppr leagues, and 5 tds.
I am thrown off by you starting your response with "because". As I didn't ask a question, it seems like a weird lead off. Anyway, you mention Spiller's 633 total yards in 6 games and #6 scoring in that span, but keep in mind Jackson had 1376 yds in 10 games and was #2 in scoring during that span.When they both were healthy, the split was 17/2 in terms of carries per game in. I anticipate maybe 12/7 (Jackson/Spiller) this coming year, but I really have no idea. Hard to speculate on Jackson's decline (low mileage), but if Jackson does slip a bit, maybe it becomes 12/7 in favor of Spiller next year, so he would be the starter in that case, but won't be a workhorse. But maybe Jackson doesn't slip, then we're looking at an even split. Pretty hard situation to invest in right now since you won't get much this year and next year is a real gamble.
Actually he's not. Williams 5.1 ypc for career. Stewart 4.8 ypc for career.
Talent can be judged solely on YPC? Wish I had known that a long time ago. Thanks!
FJax's injury adds a lot of miles. Older RBs who get hurt historically struggle to return and rarely return to form. Of course just about everything about FJax is remarkable, so I might just be chanting gibberish, but I'm in for Spiller taking over as the starter next year. Any slip in production by FJax will open a window for Spiller. Though I agree that I don't see Spiller becoming a workhorse in any event.And people have to get off the Hunter deal. If niners were looking at him as the heir apparent to Gore, no way James goes in round 2 to SF. In fact, I'd say that James has a better chance of replacing Gore as the starter, though neither Hunter nor James has the look of anything other than career RBBC types (valuable in their own way, just not guys who are going to be big time FF studs).
They both are good at what they do, but Williams has had a better career at this point.
I'd bet on James at this point. Hunter didn't look impressive this past year. James draft position says a lot imo.
So what if Williams has had a better career? JaMarcus Russell has had a better career than Andrew Luck at this point, it doesn't mean he's better. Just cause Stewart has been given less opportunity doesn't mean he's worse. People fail to remember that Williams' huge season was almost 5 seasons ago. Carolina's front office failed to remember that too, but I'm not surprised, they've been throwing money away and signing the worse contracts for several years now.
You don't provide a good argument here. Stewart has been in the league quite some time and hasn't shown to be the superior back. The Russell/Luck comparison is simply reaching for something. Never understood how FFers think the know more than NFL coaches and execs.So what if Williams has had a better career? JaMarcus Russell has had a better career than Andrew Luck at this point, it doesn't mean he's better. Just cause Stewart has been given less opportunity doesn't mean he's worse. People fail to remember that Williams' huge season was almost 5 seasons ago. Carolina's front office failed to remember that too, but I'm not surprised, they've been throwing money away and signing the worse contracts for several years now.
The Russell/Luck comparison is reaching for what? Russell has actually done something in the NFL while Luck hasn't started his career yet, so by default, Russell has had a better career. Is it that hard to understand?Stewart has ALWAYS been better than Williams, does Williams suck? No. Was Stewart a better RB in college? Yes. Was he better coming out of college? Yes. Has he always been better than Williams, even during Williams' huge year? Yes. Just because a team gives one player more opportunities than another doesn't mean that player is better and the best example of that is John Fox, who is known for giving long leashes to his veteran players. Notice how after he left Carolina, Stewart played more than Williams and had a great year. Why they gave Williams that contract? No one knows and everyone is still confused. But remember they also gave a HUGE contract to Thomas Davis who already had two ACL tears and celebrated that huge contract with a third ACL tear. They decided to give ALL their LBs huge contracts and two of them went down for the year. They also gave a HUGE contract to Williams with a great player who they took 13th overall in Jonathan Stewart waiting in the wings. They spent all that money on positions they were already strong at instead of finding WRs and DBs, which they sorely needed.And just cause you don't agree with an argument doesn't mean it's not a good argument.
I didn't list him because I assume it's a three headed monster like the Saints and 3rd down RBs are hard to scout correctly so no one is sure he's another Sproles, who somehow does amazing in a three way share.
There are no similarities between Russell/Luck and Williams /Stewart comparisions. Both RBs have played multiple years in the league. You're reaching for something there. What? I have no clue. And Stewart had nowhere near the college career Williams did. How long have you followed football? His pro career hasn't topped Williams either. Not sure where you are coming up with this stuff, but you need to do your homework better.
Are you kidding me? Questioning how long I've watched football because you think Williams had a better college career? 1. I said Stewart was a better college RB, not that he had a better college "career."2. What did you do to figure out that Williams had a better college career? Look up their stat lines again like you did to prove that Williams has had a better NFL career?3. Williams played in one of the ####tiest conferences while Stewart played in one of the best. He was a better all around RB when he was in college AND coming out; and all against better competition in college. AND he's still the better all around RB. He's a better pass blocker, he's a better pass catcher, and he's a better runner. In no way am I saying Williams sucks at any of this, I'm just saying that Stewart is better.4. Just because a player has had a better YPC or higher total career stats doesn't mean the player is better. 5. Since you're too potato to understand my analogy with Russell/Luck and you're just resorting to attacking my football knowledge in every damn reply...here's another one...Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles had both played several years by last season, but Thomas Jones has better total career stats, so that means he's better. That's the logic you're using. Oh, Jamaal Charles has a better average you say? Well LaDanian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene both have a 4.3 average, so their careers are equal and neither RB is better than the other. That's the logic FavreCo was using. I call this type of logic, women logic.EDIT: I actually like the Thomas Jones/Jamaal Charles analogy a lot because Haley was too much of an idiot to play his good players more, just like John Fox wanted to play his veterans. Nice job benching Derrick Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Jamaal Charles for ####. I wonder why he's not a head coach anymore...
Im gonna have to side with sproutdaddy on this one. Comparing Luck and Russell is not even a comparison. You can't say someone has had a better pro career when one person hasnt even signed their rookie contract.Second, I don't see what everyone else sees in JStew. The Panthers obviously see something that they dont like in Stewart. And yeah you can say all you want about Fox's loyalty to his veterans (although he may have disproved that theory with the Tebow/Orton situation last year), but there is a new regime in Carolina. This new regime not only resigned DWill but Mike Tolbert as well. I've always thought Stewart was over hyped and I will continue to think that when the ppl close to him obviously have no faith in him. People can throw stats and beliefs around all they want, but generally, the actions of the franchise speaks volumes to a given player.'whatadai said:Are you kidding me? Questioning how long I've watched football because you think Williams had a better college career? 1. I said Stewart was a better college RB, not that he had a better college "career."2. What did you do to figure out that Williams had a better college career? Look up their stat lines again like you did to prove that Williams has had a better NFL career?3. Williams played in one of the ####tiest conferences while Stewart played in one of the best. He was a better all around RB when he was in college AND coming out; and all against better competition in college. AND he's still the better all around RB. He's a better pass blocker, he's a better pass catcher, and he's a better runner. In no way am I saying Williams sucks at any of this, I'm just saying that Stewart is better.4. Just because a player has had a better YPC or higher total career stats doesn't mean the player is better. 5. Since you're too potato to understand my analogy with Russell/Luck and you're just resorting to attacking my football knowledge in every damn reply...here's another one...Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles had both played several years by last season, but Thomas Jones has better total career stats, so that means he's better. That's the logic you're using. Oh, Jamaal Charles has a better average you say? Well LaDanian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene both have a 4.3 average, so their careers are equal and neither RB is better than the other. That's the logic FavreCo was using. I call this type of logic, women logic.EDIT: I actually like the Thomas Jones/Jamaal Charles analogy a lot because Haley was too much of an idiot to play his good players more, just like John Fox wanted to play his veterans. Nice job benching Derrick Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Jamaal Charles for ####. I wonder why he's not a head coach anymore...'SproutDaddy said:
throw in Ganaway and that becomes a mess after Greene. I don't think Greene is special and could see him losing his job easily this year, so I agree with you on that...
