Which RB's Who Aren't Starters Will Be Next Year ? (1 Viewer)

[wiscstlatlmia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVqDg1qoV7kI'm assuming since theres only 800 views or so not many have seen this videojust watch the explosiveness, people can not tackle him in the open field and he beats the angle on a consistent basis. Certainly can get better at running between the tackles, but overall, he will be a monster.

Some of those catches were pretty impressive to my untrained eyes. But the fact that they target him with some of those passes is really what should speak to his ability. They wouldn't throw him the ball like that if they didn't see something from him in that department.I am impressed with him, but he's a dicey play as Fred Jackson is legit and while he may be getting older, his odometer says he'll be around for a couple more years. And even if he isn't, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Buffalo find another back to share the load with Spiller.P.S. How about that block from Fitzpatrick at 1:00?? Gotta like that.

hahaha Move up Ryan Fitzpartick accordingly in all your fantasy rankings

 

[whatadai]

Im gonna have to side with sproutdaddy on this one. Comparing Luck and Russell is not even a comparison. You can't say someone has had a better pro career when one person hasnt even signed their rookie contract.

Second, I don't see what everyone else sees in JStew. The Panthers obviously see something that they dont like in Stewart. And yeah you can say all you want about Fox's loyalty to his veterans (although he may have disproved that theory with the Tebow/Orton situation last year), but there is a new regime in Carolina. This new regime not only resigned DWill but Mike Tolbert as well. I've always thought Stewart was over hyped and I will continue to think that when the ppl close to him obviously have no faith in him. People can throw stats and beliefs around all they want, but generally, the actions of the franchise speaks volumes to a given player.

I only used the Luck and Russell analogy to show that total career stats don't show which player is better.If the Panthers saw something that they don't like in JStew, why did they play him more than Williams last year? New coaches last year, so I doubt they completely knew what they had in JStew and Williams. Not only that, the huge contract was negotiated by Hurney, who has shown that he's a horrible GM.

Was Stewart a better RB in college? Yes. Was he better coming out of college? Yes.

1. I said Stewart was a better college RB, not that he had a better college "career."

Technically you are correct but the combo of your two assertions up top definitely paint the picture that he had a better career. Also, Pac-10 defenses and Conference USA defenses are not that far apart when it comes to stopping abilities. In fact I would put Southern Miss's D in the time Stewart was there as superior to the best of the Pac-10.

I'm in the camp that says if Stewart was that good he would have supplanted his competition for carries by now.

IMO, the Southern Miss D didn't get better until the end of JStew's college career, which was years after Williams already left college. Either way, Williams racked up all those college stats against horrible competition in the rest of the conference. Not only that, IMO, near the end of his college career, the Pac-10 defenses got much better. JStew was plagued by small injuries his first three years in the league, but he was fully healthy last year and people finally saw what he was capable of without any nagging injuries. McFadden was drafted the same year and has had the same issues...why does Stewart get questioned so much more? People also remember 2010 more since it was the year he was hyped up most since his rookie year, but everyone fails to remember that he was injured a lot and a large part of the offensive line was injured for most of the year. DeAngelo Williams also had a bad year that year by both of their standards before he was injured.And I'm not so sure you can say that if JStew was that good he should have supplanted Williams because while I believe JStew is the better overall talent, Williams is very close behind in running ability with a slightly larger big play ability than JStew. They're too close in talent for JStew to easily supplant him and if you have two top talents like that you would want to have an RBBC...and of course JStew is the much better 3rd down back, so I would start Williams and have JStew come in on passing downs.

 

[Novice2]

Bernard Scott will be the starting RB for Cincy in 2013.

 

[zamboni]

Bernard Scott will be the starting RB for Cincy in 2013.

Not sure why Bernard Scott continues to get much hype. He's talented and has a niche in the offense, but he's not going to be the bell cow. He didn't beat out Benson, and they brought in BJGE this year to be the grinder. If BJGE falters, it will be someone else next year. And it's not like Scott is young to begin with.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Bernard Scott will be the starting RB for Cincy in 2013.

Not sure why Bernard Scott continues to get much hype. He's talented and has a niche in the offense, but he's not going to be the bell cow. He didn't beat out Benson, and they brought in BJGE this year to be the grinder. If BJGE falters, it will be someone else next year. And it's not like Scott is young to begin with.

Yeah, he'll be what, 29 to start next season?

 

[Lash]

Stewart - Already said he wants to stay in Carolina, Tolbert will get a few carries, Williams will get his, and Newton will get some.

He's easily better than Williams. If you think Stewart won't want a huge contract to stay (which won't happen), you're nuts.

slow down turbo ... LOL at easily better than one of the highest career averages per carry in NFL historyBo JacksonJim BrownJamaal Charleshey whatadei, there are you nfl CAREER leaders in yds per attempt that are ahead of DeWill's 5.1so lets tap the brakes, just because the "experts" have missed for YEARS predicting that JStew will finally be worth his ADP doesn't make him better than DeWill

 

[Lash]

You don't provide a good argument here. Stewart has been in the league quite some time and hasn't shown to be the superior back. The Russell/Luck comparison is simply reaching for something. Never understood how FFers think the know more than NFL coaches and execs.

The Russell/Luck comparison is reaching for what? Russell has actually done something in the NFL while Luck hasn't started his career yet, so by default, Russell has had a better career. Is it that hard to understand?Stewart has ALWAYS been better than Williams, does Williams suck? No. Was Stewart a better RB in college? Yes. Was he better coming out of college? Yes. Has he always been better than Williams, even during Williams' huge year? Yes. Just because a team gives one player more opportunities than another doesn't mean that player is better and the best example of that is John Fox, who is known for giving long leashes to his veteran players. Notice how after he left Carolina, Stewart played more than Williams and had a great year. Why they gave Williams that contract? No one knows and everyone is still confused. But remember they also gave a HUGE contract to Thomas Davis who already had two ACL tears and celebrated that huge contract with a third ACL tear. They decided to give ALL their LBs huge contracts and two of them went down for the year. They also gave a HUGE contract to Williams with a great player who they took 13th overall in Jonathan Stewart waiting in the wings. They spent all that money on positions they were already strong at instead of finding WRs and DBs, which they sorely needed.And just cause you don't agree with an argument doesn't mean it's not a good argument.

you are simply providing my entertainment for the nightbetter college career LOLhey i'll help you out a bit, goto google and type in "ncaa career leaders for yards from scrimmage"at number 1 in HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL you will find DeWillhe is NUMBER FOUR OVERALL IN HISTORY OF NFL FOOTBALL in ypcplease stop posting without researchyou drafted JStew and have been waiting patiently, we get itbut he isn't as talented as DeWillif you don't like stats well how about other "proof" ... DeWill gets to start, gets more carries, and gets more money

 

[whatadai]

You don't provide a good argument here. Stewart has been in the league quite some time and hasn't shown to be the superior back. The Russell/Luck comparison is simply reaching for something. Never understood how FFers think the know more than NFL coaches and execs.

The Russell/Luck comparison is reaching for what? Russell has actually done something in the NFL while Luck hasn't started his career yet, so by default, Russell has had a better career. Is it that hard to understand?Stewart has ALWAYS been better than Williams, does Williams suck? No. Was Stewart a better RB in college? Yes. Was he better coming out of college? Yes. Has he always been better than Williams, even during Williams' huge year? Yes. Just because a team gives one player more opportunities than another doesn't mean that player is better and the best example of that is John Fox, who is known for giving long leashes to his veteran players. Notice how after he left Carolina, Stewart played more than Williams and had a great year. Why they gave Williams that contract? No one knows and everyone is still confused. But remember they also gave a HUGE contract to Thomas Davis who already had two ACL tears and celebrated that huge contract with a third ACL tear. They decided to give ALL their LBs huge contracts and two of them went down for the year. They also gave a HUGE contract to Williams with a great player who they took 13th overall in Jonathan Stewart waiting in the wings. They spent all that money on positions they were already strong at instead of finding WRs and DBs, which they sorely needed.And just cause you don't agree with an argument doesn't mean it's not a good argument.

you are simply providing my entertainment for the nightbetter college career LOLhey i'll help you out a bit, goto google and type in "ncaa career leaders for yards from scrimmage"at number 1 in HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL you will find DeWillhe is NUMBER FOUR OVERALL IN HISTORY OF NFL FOOTBALL in ypcplease stop posting without researchyou drafted JStew and have been waiting patiently, we get itbut he isn't as talented as DeWillif you don't like stats well how about other "proof" ... DeWill gets to start, gets more carries, and gets more money

OMG. He has one of the highest YPC ever? Wow, he's like a a HOFer already. He has more college career yardage? No way! God he has to be like the best college RB ever too. That's the dumbest usage of stats ever. Notice how you had to use two different stats to make the same claim, that he was a top RB in college and that he's a top RB now. The same guy up there used the same stupid reasoning and like I said, LaDanian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene have the same career YPC, so I'm guessing they're equally talented? Thomas Jones has more career yards than Jamaal Charles, so Jones is a better RB than Charles, right?Who the #### cares if Williams starts? So what if Williams gets more carries than Stewart? It was only 13 more carries. Stewart had 47 receptions compared to Williams' 16? So Williams got 171 touches, and Stewart got 189 touches. That doesn't even show that Stewart is the better player, but apparently to you, amount of touches does show who the better player is so I guess I won this argument. Not only that, Stewart also plays significantly more snaps than Williams. If you actually watch football, like I do, with my eyes, you will notice that Williams, while still good, has been much less effective than Stewart. Your "proof" using "stats" to bolster only your claim is stupid. A potato can make a better argument. I don't want to be your entertainment tonight cause talking to a potato is just not fun, so don't bother posting any of your horrible "proof" anymore.

 

[cobalt_27]

You don't provide a good argument here. Stewart has been in the league quite some time and hasn't shown to be the superior back. The Russell/Luck comparison is simply reaching for something. Never understood how FFers think the know more than NFL coaches and execs.

The Russell/Luck comparison is reaching for what? Russell has actually done something in the NFL while Luck hasn't started his career yet, so by default, Russell has had a better career. Is it that hard to understand?Stewart has ALWAYS been better than Williams, does Williams suck? No. Was Stewart a better RB in college? Yes. Was he better coming out of college? Yes. Has he always been better than Williams, even during Williams' huge year? Yes. Just because a team gives one player more opportunities than another doesn't mean that player is better and the best example of that is John Fox, who is known for giving long leashes to his veteran players. Notice how after he left Carolina, Stewart played more than Williams and had a great year. Why they gave Williams that contract? No one knows and everyone is still confused. But remember they also gave a HUGE contract to Thomas Davis who already had two ACL tears and celebrated that huge contract with a third ACL tear. They decided to give ALL their LBs huge contracts and two of them went down for the year. They also gave a HUGE contract to Williams with a great player who they took 13th overall in Jonathan Stewart waiting in the wings. They spent all that money on positions they were already strong at instead of finding WRs and DBs, which they sorely needed.And just cause you don't agree with an argument doesn't mean it's not a good argument.

you are simply providing my entertainment for the nightbetter college career LOLhey i'll help you out a bit, goto google and type in "ncaa career leaders for yards from scrimmage"at number 1 in HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL you will find DeWillhe is NUMBER FOUR OVERALL IN HISTORY OF NFL FOOTBALL in ypcplease stop posting without researchyou drafted JStew and have been waiting patiently, we get itbut he isn't as talented as DeWillif you don't like stats well how about other "proof" ... DeWill gets to start, gets more carries, and gets more money

OMG. He has one of the highest YPC ever? Wow, he's like a a HOFer already. He has more college career yardage? No way! God he has to be like the best college RB ever too. That's the dumbest usage of stats ever.

I have to agree.

 

[Nero]

Williams and Stewart have a loads of carries for the same team. Using ypc as a point of comparison is valid in my opinion. It speaks to a level of production and why Williams still starts. There is no doubt in my mind that they are both studs. If I had to choose between the two I'd take Stewart. I think its more because I prefer his style to Williams'. Williams and Stewart are close in ypc, but sometimes ypc does back up what you see: Barber/F. Jones, Murray/F. Jones, Lynch/Jackson, Blount/Cadillac.

I'd venture say if Ben Tate out produces Foster by a full yard for two more seasons, he is taking the job.