Who are 2012/13's Breakout Players that you can get cheap now (1 Viewer)

[Football Jones]

Scott should've been starting a long time ago. WIth the Bengals doing fairly well, no chance he gets a reprieve now, LOL (meaning, Lewis being fired). It amazes me how certain HCs can keep their jobs showing so little talent evaluation skills. Scott would help their offense. It's that simple. Maybe the real problem is the front office. I dunno.

Anyway, Scott has age working against him as far as dynasty goes, but he's still young & fresh enough to produce for at LEAST a couple seasons. Problem is, for whatever Lewis' reasons are, he doesn't view Scott as a starter, which is a shame. For awhile, I blamed their OCs, but it's clear Lewis is behind this. He's probably one of those old-fashioned guys that think RBs Scott's size should only be COP backs. Very likely if they draft a RB, regardless of how talented they are, Scott will play second fiddle (or worse). Scott isn't a great RB, but he's the best they have.

I believe the only way Scott will convince Lewis is if he gets a prolonged enough chance where Lewis absolutely has no chance to go back to Benson (or whoever). If Scott did get that chance, he'd do well. Or maybe a miracle will happen & Lewis changes his mind.

 

[QuizGuy66]

22 carries for 75 yards for Scott yesterday (albeit against a highly-ranked run defense). Didn't exactly take the job by the throat there. Pretty sure they'll grab an RB with one of those late 1st-round picks next year. I've reached the conclusion that Scott isn't the 2nd coming of Priest Holmes.

Back to the topic at hand. Does Bradford requalify for this category now?

-QG

 

[Football Jones]

22 carries for 75 yards for Scott yesterday (albeit against a highly-ranked run defense). Didn't exactly take the job by the throat there. Pretty sure they'll grab an RB with one of those late 1st-round picks next year. I've reached the conclusion that Scott isn't the 2nd coming of Priest Holmes.Back to the topic at hand. Does Bradford requalify for this category now?-QG

He's not a great RB, but Scott is clearly their best RB & gives their offense the best chance for production. Like I said, it actually amazes me Lewis can't see it.

 

[Football Jones]

As far as Bradford, not sure he qualifies as a breakout player, but he's the best young passer in the NFL.

With a healthy Lloyd/Clayton/Amendola, along with any WR draft picks/FAs, as well as some improvement by the OL, we're looking at a monster season as soon as 2012.

 

[ty247]

22 carries for 75 yards for Scott yesterday (albeit against a highly-ranked run defense). Didn't exactly take the job by the throat there. Pretty sure they'll grab an RB with one of those late 1st-round picks next year. I've reached the conclusion that Scott isn't the 2nd coming of Priest Holmes.Back to the topic at hand. Does Bradford requalify for this category now?-QG

He's not a great RB, but Scott is clearly their best RB & gives their offense the best chance for production. Like I said, it actually amazes me Lewis can't see it.

Can't say I agree here.Benson's a work horse in that offense. He can carry the ball 20-30 times every game.. wear down opponents front 7, it helps them dictate the tempo of the game.. Scott doesn't allow them to do that.. he's a change of pace scat back.Benson also seems to get stronger as the game goes on, the defense tires and he gets more carries..

 

[Warhogs]

Matt Flynn is a guy who has been mentioned a lot as a guy who may get a chance to start next season and should be pretty darn cheap.

 

[iakovos]

I'm wondering how people value James Starks going forward. Just read Matt Waldman's profile of him on RSP, and it seems very positive. Do people see him as the #1 back next year? I drafted him in the 11th round, and he'd be a good keeper if thats the case.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

As far as Bradford, not sure he qualifies as a breakout player, but he's the best young passer in the NFL.

Not to derail the thread, but I don't agree with this at all. Cam Newton is a more talented passer than Bradford. I know his supporting cast is light-years better, but I mean when you try to separate them as passers from the rest of their teams. Ignore the statistics, and watch them purely as individual QB's. Newton is more talented.

 

[FUBAR]

As far as Bradford, not sure he qualifies as a breakout player, but he's the best young passer in the NFL.

Not to derail the thread, but I don't agree with this at all. Cam Newton is a more talented passer than Bradford. I know his supporting cast is light-years better, but I mean when you try to separate them as passers from the rest of their teams. Ignore the statistics, and watch them purely as individual QB's. Newton is more talented.

I like Bradford a lot, but this is true. I'm not sure if I'd rank Bradford ahead of Stafford as a passer. Of course, Calvin makes anyone look decent.

 

[Hendo]

Kendall Hunter looks special to me, again last night as well with his limited carries. He's the ONE guy here that if Gore goes down i can see Hunter putting up RB1 #'s behind that OL.

 

[Dentist]

Unfortunately my picks of tate and spiller are doing poorly.

I was right about the running games of Houston and Buffalo being effective, but I was big time wrong about the early demise of A. Foster and F. Jackson.

obviously when Tate played he did well, but his prospects for 2012/2013 aren't rosy.

Spiller is trapped behind Fred Jackson having an amazing year for a 30y.o., but his prospects moving forward aren't great either.

I could've had Newton in one of those leagues... I didn't see him being successful.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ringer might merit a mention here as well given how pedestrian (to put it kindly) Chris Johnson has looked.

-QG

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm still VERY strongly on the Quizz Rodgers bandwagon. If Turner goes down, with Snelling being forced to play FB, Rodgers could explode. I've thought he looked better than Turner every chance he's seen the field. One (more? This year didn't really count though) off-season in an NFL strength and conditioning program could do wonders for Rodgers as well. I could see him being the next Rice. He's pretty thick in the thighs like Rice and MJD.

 

[bengalbuck]

22 carries for 75 yards for Scott yesterday (albeit against a highly-ranked run defense). Didn't exactly take the job by the throat there. Pretty sure they'll grab an RB with one of those late 1st-round picks next year. I've reached the conclusion that Scott isn't the 2nd coming of Priest Holmes.Back to the topic at hand. Does Bradford requalify for this category now?-QG

He's not a great RB, but Scott is clearly their best RB & gives their offense the best chance for production. Like I said, it actually amazes me Lewis can't see it.

Can't say I agree here.Benson's a work horse in that offense. He can carry the ball 20-30 times every game.. wear down opponents front 7, it helps them dictate the tempo of the game.. Scott doesn't allow them to do that.. he's a change of pace scat back.Benson also seems to get stronger as the game goes on, the defense tires and he gets more carries..

I agree with you. I'm not sure what it is about Scott's 3.1 YPC this season that has shown he's such a superior option than Benson. Not that Benson's 3.9 YPC is anything to write home about either, but in general he gets the most out of the holes that are there a bit better than Scott does.Personally, I don't think either guy is a long term solution and that the Bengals should take a RB in the first 2 rounds of the 2012 draft. They could really use an upgrade at OG as well. If they get a talented RB and upgrade the OL, the other pieces are in place for a very productive running game with talented OTs and enough weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I'm still VERY strongly on the Quizz Rodgers bandwagon. If Turner goes down, with Snelling being forced to play FB, Rodgers could explode. I've thought he looked better than Turner every chance he's seen the field. One (more? This year didn't really count though) off-season in an NFL strength and conditioning program could do wonders for Rodgers as well. I could see him being the next Rice. He's pretty thick in the thighs like Rice and MJD.

I strongly endorse QuizzGuy as well -QG

 

[Sabertooth]

Jamaal Charles

Kenny Britt

Tarvaris Jackson

 

[Mimo]

Leonard Hankerson

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Jamaal CharlesKenny BrittTarvaris Jackson

Shtick? Two of those guys have already broken out. Owners know they just need to wait for them to get healthy.Tarvaris Jackson is certainly someone you can get cheap now...but what makes you think he's ever going to break out??

 

[CentralPA]

Not sure if he's already broken out or is still yet to break out but I still think Jeremy Maclin is going to get better.

 

[Sabertooth]

Jamaal CharlesKenny BrittTarvaris Jackson

Shtick? Two of those guys have already broken out. Owners know they just need to wait for them to get healthy.Tarvaris Jackson is certainly someone you can get cheap now...but what makes you think he's ever going to break out??

I think a pretty reasonable definition of Breakout is "an acute elevation of worth in the future, relative to now."Jamaal Charles - He had a great season last year. His value right now is well below that mark. He has been released in many leagues that keep only a player or two or have small benches. His value relative to where it was in Week 1 is way down. It will most certainly "elevate in worth in the future from where it is today." Britt - Britt hasn't broken out yet. His best season so far is 775 yards. I have a sneaking suspicion that this will not be anywhere near his career high water mark. Tarvaris Jackson - Quite simply he's a good runner with good targets. He hasn't broken out yet for sure but Sidney Rice, Ben Obamanu, and Doug Baldwin are good ball players. Mike Williams, Rice, and Miller are really big redzone threats. Maybe the best trio in the NFL outside of Dallas as far as just sheer size and ability. If he can run for 20 yards and a few scores, he'll put up nice points. Marshawn isn't really a threat like an Arian Foster or somebody like that to vulture 15 touchdowns either.

 

[cvnpoka]

22 carries for 75 yards for Scott yesterday (albeit against a highly-ranked run defense). Didn't exactly take the job by the throat there. Pretty sure they'll grab an RB with one of those late 1st-round picks next year. I've reached the conclusion that Scott isn't the 2nd coming of Priest Holmes.Back to the topic at hand. Does Bradford requalify for this category now?-QG

He's not a great RB, but Scott is clearly their best RB & gives their offense the best chance for production. Like I said, it actually amazes me Lewis can't see it.

Can't say I agree here.Benson's a work horse in that offense. He can carry the ball 20-30 times every game.. wear down opponents front 7, it helps them dictate the tempo of the game.. Scott doesn't allow them to do that.. he's a change of pace scat back.Benson also seems to get stronger as the game goes on, the defense tires and he gets more carries..

cedric benson indeed weighs more than bernard scott so we should spout a bunch of cliches that dont really hold. heres the thing, if bernard "cant carry the load" then thats cool, bc benson can plod thru the rest of the season. its really not close who is the better back, who gets more yards out of nothing, who has more game breaking potential. and if scott gets hurt then who cares? he hardly plays anyway. i will never understand the undying appeal of a crappy rb that never gets hurt

 

[ty247]

22 carries for 75 yards for Scott yesterday (albeit against a highly-ranked run defense). Didn't exactly take the job by the throat there. Pretty sure they'll grab an RB with one of those late 1st-round picks next year. I've reached the conclusion that Scott isn't the 2nd coming of Priest Holmes.Back to the topic at hand. Does Bradford requalify for this category now?-QG

He's not a great RB, but Scott is clearly their best RB & gives their offense the best chance for production. Like I said, it actually amazes me Lewis can't see it.

Can't say I agree here.Benson's a work horse in that offense. He can carry the ball 20-30 times every game.. wear down opponents front 7, it helps them dictate the tempo of the game.. Scott doesn't allow them to do that.. he's a change of pace scat back.Benson also seems to get stronger as the game goes on, the defense tires and he gets more carries..

cedric benson indeed weighs more than bernard scott so we should spout a bunch of cliches that dont really hold. heres the thing, if bernard "cant carry the load" then thats cool, bc benson can plod thru the rest of the season. its really not close who is the better back, who gets more yards out of nothing, who has more game breaking potential. and if scott gets hurt then who cares? he hardly plays anyway. i will never understand the undying appeal of a crappy rb that never gets hurt

CedBen is 230 lbs, and takes a lot of energy to bring down. He's also rushing at 3.9 ypc. Scott is 198 lbs, and not nearly the load Cedric is. He's rushing at 3.1 ypc. If Scott brought something to the table that Cedric didn't, than he'd probably be getting a greater number of carries.But, Benson's, harder to bring down, has had more big plays the last two years, gets stronger as he gets more carries, and almost always is getting positive yardage, even if it's 2-3 yards.I'm not saying he is a special talent.. he's a big body bruiser that's nearly 29 years old now. Scott's a mediocre scat back and just a year behind Benson in age.If the Bengals get the opportunity to draft a feature type back, I would put my money on them doing so.

 

[th3f00l]

I think you should be on the watch for Jon Baldwin. He had a couple drops, but some nice catches too. I am reminded of nicks at the end of the 09 season. He plays aggressive, and attacks the ball. If the ball handling issue was just a part of first game jitters, this guy is due a breakout.

Antonio brown looks great. Ben trusts his receivers that come through for him, and brown has done that. Ward is a non-factor next year, brown will be a strong #2 in the depth chart, with #1 fantasy points in what looks like a new steelers offense.

Eric Decker, tread lightly here. The QB performance will grossly affect his numbers.

The available wr 2 on the team that wins the luck sweepstakes, davon bess comes to mind immediately.

 

[NBusiness]

Rob Housler

Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson says that rookie TE Rob Housler's ability "jumps off the screen."Housler played his college ball at Florida Atlantic and is reportedly struggling to pick up the Cardinals' playbook. But his athletic skills as a receiver have been evident as he learns from Todd Heap. Dynasty owners should take note that Kevin Kolb loves throwing to tight ends.

Housler is starting to get some work with Heap dinged up and missing games.

Bill Williamson is one of the worst talent analysts around in my opinion

 

[cvnpoka]

CedBen is 230 lbs, and takes a lot of energy to bring down. He's also rushing at 3.9 ypc. Scott is 198 lbs, and not nearly the load Cedric is. He's rushing at 3.1 ypc. If Scott brought something to the table that Cedric didn't, than he'd probably be getting a greater number of carries.But, Benson's, harder to bring down, has had more big plays the last two years, gets stronger as he gets more carries, and almost always is getting positive yardage, even if it's 2-3 yards.I'm not saying he is a special talent.. he's a big body bruiser that's nearly 29 years old now. Scott's a mediocre scat back and just a year behind Benson in age.If the Bengals get the opportunity to draft a feature type back, I would put my money on them doing so.

ah yes, the ole coaches are infallible argument. followed up with selective endpoints and small sample size wrt ypc.not sure if you watched that seahawks game, but bernard routinely sidestepped defenders and picked out small creases to gain a few positive yards. im positive benson would not have been able to elude the defenders in the backfield on at least 5 of those plays. seahawks are a tough run d, and the oline did few favors but it was a respectable game. i dont think its close which back gets something out of nothing and has more breakaway potential. is there a site that shows the distribution of distances a rb gets? id love to see how benson compares to the rest of the league in terms of "almost always getting postive yardage" or big plays. i looked up your claim that benson gets stronger as the game goes on and didnt find it very compelling. he appears to be about the same rb. these are 4th qtr numbers, standard 3.5 ypc.15 Cedric Benson rb 2008 57 146 2.5614 8 0 17.600016 Cedric Benson rb 2009 79 298 3.7722 15 3 52.000017 Cedric Benson rb 2010 62 203 3.2742 15 4 54.100018 Cedric Benson rb 2011 35 172 4.9143 6 1 23.2000

 

[Concept Coop]

Shave Vereen/Stevan Ridley - Not saying you should target both, necessarily, but they are both targets for a breakout 2012/13. Talented young RBs who have the opportunity to earn carries in a powerfull offense.

Eric Decker - If Tebow doesn't miss him on two easy TDs, he would have 7 in 7 games. Let his value drop with Tebow throwing the ball, pounce, and watch it rise as Tebow improves or gets replaced.

Jake Locker - He is not Cam Newton, but he is a better runner than Aaron Rodgers, who adds more than 2 points a game on the ground. If Locker can add 3-5, he could surprise.

Kyle Rudolph - He is a very good young player who will shine when he gets the opportunity. Reminds me of Jason Witten and his hands are money.

 

[Concept Coop]

Mercedes Lewis can't be ingorned like this forever. He is a big, talented target who should bounce back.

 

[ty247]

CedBen is 230 lbs, and takes a lot of energy to bring down. He's also rushing at 3.9 ypc. Scott is 198 lbs, and not nearly the load Cedric is. He's rushing at 3.1 ypc. If Scott brought something to the table that Cedric didn't, than he'd probably be getting a greater number of carries.But, Benson's, harder to bring down, has had more big plays the last two years, gets stronger as he gets more carries, and almost always is getting positive yardage, even if it's 2-3 yards.I'm not saying he is a special talent.. he's a big body bruiser that's nearly 29 years old now. Scott's a mediocre scat back and just a year behind Benson in age.If the Bengals get the opportunity to draft a feature type back, I would put my money on them doing so.

ah yes, the ole coaches are infallible argument. followed up with selective endpoints and small sample size wrt ypc.not sure if you watched that seahawks game, but bernard routinely sidestepped defenders and picked out small creases to gain a few positive yards. im positive benson would not have been able to elude the defenders in the backfield on at least 5 of those plays. seahawks are a tough run d, and the oline did few favors but it was a respectable game. i dont think its close which back gets something out of nothing and has more breakaway potential. is there a site that shows the distribution of distances a rb gets? id love to see how benson compares to the rest of the league in terms of "almost always getting postive yardage" or big plays. i looked up your claim that benson gets stronger as the game goes on and didnt find it very compelling. he appears to be about the same rb. these are 4th qtr numbers, standard 3.5 ypc.15 Cedric Benson rb 2008 57 146 2.5614 8 0 17.600016 Cedric Benson rb 2009 79 298 3.7722 15 3 52.000017 Cedric Benson rb 2010 62 203 3.2742 15 4 54.100018 Cedric Benson rb 2011 35 172 4.9143 6 1 23.2000

Saying 'getting stronger as the game goes on' is more a reference to the fact that he is a punishing running back, that as the game goes on, and as the defense tires, he still is running hard and effectively.It's not necessarily that he actually becomes stronger, faster, etc.I watched Bernard Scott play against the Seattle defense.. I saw him make a few nice runs, but I didn't see anything game breaking or anything that screamed feature back to me.Of his 22 rushing attempts against Seattle, 13 of them went for 1 yard or less.Like I said before, their future running back isn't on that roster right now.

 

[cvnpoka]

Saying 'getting stronger as the game goes on' is more a reference to the fact that he is a punishing running back, that as the game goes on, and as the defense tires, he still is running hard and effectively.It's not necessarily that he actually becomes stronger, faster, etc.I watched Bernard Scott play against the Seattle defense.. I saw him make a few nice runs, but I didn't see anything game breaking or anything that screamed feature back to me.Of his 22 rushing attempts against Seattle, 13 of them went for 1 yard or less.Like I said before, their future running back isn't on that roster right now.

who cares if he is "stronger" and "punishing" if hes the same effectiveness. i guess, this is a positive if some backs wear down as the game goes on. still dont see how it justifies a feature role as he can just rotate to keep others fresh or replace at the end. regardless, some of bernard's best runs came at the end of the game including a 14 and 16 yarder. theres a large divide between feature back and 3 touches a game. i think he falls far closer to feature than afterthought when benson is the alternative.seattle is a great run d. sometimes a 1 yard run is a great play. i was impressed by some of them but im no scout. ive rarely been impressed by benson in the last 2 yrs.this team is 5-2 so maximizing the effectiveness of this roster should be a priority. i agree they are a heavy favorite to draft a rb next yr.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Jamaal CharlesKenny BrittTarvaris Jackson

Shtick? Two of those guys have already broken out. Owners know they just need to wait for them to get healthy.Tarvaris Jackson is certainly someone you can get cheap now...but what makes you think he's ever going to break out??

I think a pretty reasonable definition of Breakout is "an acute elevation of worth in the future, relative to now."Jamaal Charles - He had a great season last year. His value right now is well below that mark. He has been released in many leagues that keep only a player or two or have small benches. His value relative to where it was in Week 1 is way down. It will most certainly "elevate in worth in the future from where it is today." Britt - Britt hasn't broken out yet. His best season so far is 775 yards. I have a sneaking suspicion that this will not be anywhere near his career high water mark. Tarvaris Jackson - Quite simply he's a good runner with good targets. He hasn't broken out yet for sure but Sidney Rice, Ben Obamanu, and Doug Baldwin are good ball players. Mike Williams, Rice, and Miller are really big redzone threats. Maybe the best trio in the NFL outside of Dallas as far as just sheer size and ability. If he can run for 20 yards and a few scores, he'll put up nice points. Marshawn isn't really a threat like an Arian Foster or somebody like that to vulture 15 touchdowns either.

any update as to how any of these guys surgeries/recoveries are going?

 

[menobrown]

Rob Housler

Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson says that rookie TE Rob Housler's ability "jumps off the screen."Housler played his college ball at Florida Atlantic and is reportedly struggling to pick up the Cardinals' playbook. But his athletic skills as a receiver have been evident as he learns from Todd Heap. Dynasty owners should take note that Kevin Kolb loves throwing to tight ends.

Housler is starting to get some work with Heap dinged up and missing games.

Bill Williamson is one of the worst talent analysts around in my opinion

Wrong Williamson dude.

 

[menobrown]

Mercedes Lewis can't be ingorned like this forever. He is a big, talented target who should bounce back.

I'd leave him alone. The aberration in his career is not this year, it was last year and even than it was mainly due to TD's. On the subject of TE's. I mainly play in 1.5 PPR TE leagues so they are pretty key in the leagues I'm participate.I think an easy place to look for breakout players in second year TE's. If you look at almost every single major producing fantasy TE they either flat out broke out in year two or took substantial gains in year two. It's hard to find one who did not improve drastically in year two and when you do it's usually due to the player being buried on the depth chart.For that reason I'd look at the following as break out players next season:Rob HouslerKyle RudolphJulius ThomasTony Moeaki (provided of course he can show he's healthy)

 

[cvnpoka]

I think a pretty reasonable definition of Breakout is "an acute elevation of worth in the future, relative to now."Jamaal Charles - He had a great season last year. His value right now is well below that mark. He has been released in many leagues that keep only a player or two or have small benches. His value relative to where it was in Week 1 is way down. It will most certainly "elevate in worth in the future from where it is today." Britt - Britt hasn't broken out yet. His best season so far is 775 yards. I have a sneaking suspicion that this will not be anywhere near his career high water mark. Tarvaris Jackson - Quite simply he's a good runner with good targets. He hasn't broken out yet for sure but Sidney Rice, Ben Obamanu, and Doug Baldwin are good ball players. Mike Williams, Rice, and Miller are really big redzone threats. Maybe the best trio in the NFL outside of Dallas as far as just sheer size and ability. If he can run for 20 yards and a few scores, he'll put up nice points. Marshawn isn't really a threat like an Arian Foster or somebody like that to vulture 15 touchdowns either.

any update as to how any of these guys surgeries/recoveries are going?

there have been positive reports about both britt and charles recovery process. both claimed to be walking without a limp far ahead of schedule. britt stayed in nashville and has drawn praise for his work ethic.

 

[kellumsboys]

Mercedes Lewis can't be ingorned like this forever. He is a big, talented target who should bounce back.

last year he had a career year !was that the real Lewis or is this year the real Lewis ?