Who are you starting Morris over? (1 Viewer)

[Franknbeans]

Quite possibly Gerhart and Ryan Williams

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Common sense

 

[SameSongNDance]

Quite possibly Gerhart and Ryan Williams

Gerhart is almost guaranteed more touches, why would you risk it? Morris has to come out of the gate strong, assuming he gets the start. He also has to pray NO doesn't go up by any large sum or Helu will se a lot of work as the superior pass catcher. No one should be starting any WAS RBs this week, everyone needs to take a wait and see approach unless you are in the deepest of leagues.

 

[cstu]

Quite possibly Gerhart and Ryan Williams

I have Ryan Williams in right now, but I suspect that Morris will be the starter so it may be a GTD.

 

[Franknbeans]

Quite possibly Gerhart and Ryan Williams

Gerhart is almost guaranteed more touches, why would you risk it? Morris has to come out of the gate strong, assuming he gets the start. He also has to pray NO doesn't go up by any large sum or Helu will se a lot of work as the superior pass catcher. No one should be starting any WAS RBs this week, everyone needs to take a wait and see approach unless you are in the deepest of leagues.

and you know this how?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Quite possibly Gerhart and Ryan Williams

Gerhart is almost guaranteed more touches, why would you risk it? Morris has to come out of the gate strong, assuming he gets the start. He also has to pray NO doesn't go up by any large sum or Helu will se a lot of work as the superior pass catcher. No one should be starting any WAS RBs this week, everyone needs to take a wait and see approach unless you are in the deepest of leagues.

and you know this how?

It's pretty obvious haha. If ALMO gets more touches than Gerhart I'll eat my shoe and I'm a huge ALMO advocate. Many people have Gerhart ranked as a RB2 this week and for good reason.

 

[Zeff]

Quite possibly Gerhart and Ryan Williams

Gerhart is almost guaranteed more touches, why would you risk it? Morris has to come out of the gate strong, assuming he gets the start. He also has to pray NO doesn't go up by any large sum or Helu will se a lot of work as the superior pass catcher. No one should be starting any WAS RBs this week, everyone needs to take a wait and see approach unless you are in the deepest of leagues.

and you know this how?

Nobody "knows" much of anything in these murky situations.But Peterson has been limited, and is a gametime decision, meaning there's at least a pretty good chance Gerhart gets a significant workload.And Beanie is dinged up as usual, meaning there's at least a pretty good chance Williams gets a significant workload.And the last time Shanny actually communicated with us, he said Royster was on top of the pyramid, meaning Morris's chances, whatever they are, can't be considered rock-solid by any stretch of the imagination.If you're in deep enough a league where these guys are contending for starting slots for you, play the math smartly and put Morris in the garage for now.

 

[Soulfly3]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week.

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

 

[Soulfly3]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that Helu isn't the most talented running back in that backfield, it's pretty obvious. He has however been plagued by a myriad of injuries dating back to his days in Nebraska, he's almost never been healthy. People do take Shanny's business too seriously. Dating back to 1989, he has leaned on a RB in 14 out of 18 seasons. The RBBC that started in 07 was primarily a product of injuries. Shanny tried to lean on Travis Henry in 07, a bunch of randys in 08, Torain in 2010 and Hightower/Helu in 2011 before they all eventually injured themselves (Henry was injured or suspended, I can't remember). This is the one of the few constants in Shanny's backfield which really doesn't bode well for someone as fragile as Helu.

 

[Soulfly3]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that Helu isn't the most talented running back in that backfield, it's pretty obvious. He has however been plagued by a myriad of injuries dating back to his days in Nebraska, he's almost never been healthy. People do take Shanny's business too seriously. Dating back to 1989, he has leaned on a RB in 14 out of 18 seasons. The RBBC that started in 07 was primarily a product of injuries. Shanny tried to lean on Travis Henry in 07, a bunch of randys in 08, Torain in 2010 and Hightower/Helu in 2011 before they all eventually injured themselves (Henry was injured or suspended, I can't remember). This is the one of the few constants in Shanny's backfield which really doesn't bode well for someone as fragile as Helu.

Totally agree. But when a guy finishes the season that well against top tier DEF's, then preseasons it w 120yds and 2tds in a game... is healthy... well, call me crazy, but Morris owners are not going to be happy.Just my opinion, but Helu is already the sleeper of the draft. He stays healthy, he's a lock for top 15 #s with definite top 10 upside.

 

[cstu]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that Helu isn't the most talented running back in that backfield, it's pretty obvious. He has however been plagued by a myriad of injuries dating back to his days in Nebraska, he's almost never been healthy. People do take Shanny's business too seriously. Dating back to 1989, he has leaned on a RB in 14 out of 18 seasons. The RBBC that started in 07 was primarily a product of injuries. Shanny tried to lean on Travis Henry in 07, a bunch of randys in 08, Torain in 2010 and Hightower/Helu in 2011 before they all eventually injured themselves (Henry was injured or suspended, I can't remember). This is the one of the few constants in Shanny's backfield which really doesn't bode well for someone as fragile as Helu.

Totally agree. But when a guy finishes the season that well against top tier DEF's, then preseasons it w 120yds and 2tds in a game... is healthy... well, call me crazy, but Morris owners are not going to be happy.Just my opinion, but Helu is already the sleeper of the draft. He stays healthy, he's a lock for top 15 #s with definite top 10 upside.

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

 

[Soulfly3]

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

I understand the health concerns of Helu, but he is the ONLY RB on the Skins to have proven anything in real game time against top tier defenses. Stats don't lie.Showed more of the same in preseason. I know Shan like to mind funk people, but you play your best players... helu is their best RB. I firmly believe he tales the reigns and runs with it.

 

[cstu]

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

I understand the health concerns of Helu, but he is the ONLY RB on the Skins to have proven anything in real game time against top tier defenses. Stats don't lie.Showed more of the same in preseason. I know Shan like to mind funk people, but you play your best players... helu is their best RB. I firmly believe he tales the reigns and runs with it.

I won't dispute that Helu should be the starter, but Royster did go 19/132 against a very good Vikings run defense last year.

 

[Soulfly3]

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

I understand the health concerns of Helu, but he is the ONLY RB on the Skins to have proven anything in real game time against top tier defenses. Stats don't lie.Showed more of the same in preseason. I know Shan like to mind funk people, but you play your best players... helu is their best RB. I firmly believe he tales the reigns and runs with it.

I won't dispute that Helu should be the starter, but Royster did go 19/132 against a very good Vikings run defense last year.

Time will tell. Im just willing to stick my neck out for Helu. Talent, proven, healthy. Dangerous combo.Morris is getting a whole hell of a lot of nut massaging for a guy who has only shown he can put up good #s in preseason

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that Helu isn't the most talented running back in that backfield, it's pretty obvious. He has however been plagued by a myriad of injuries dating back to his days in Nebraska, he's almost never been healthy. People do take Shanny's business too seriously. Dating back to 1989, he has leaned on a RB in 14 out of 18 seasons. The RBBC that started in 07 was primarily a product of injuries. Shanny tried to lean on Travis Henry in 07, a bunch of randys in 08, Torain in 2010 and Hightower/Helu in 2011 before they all eventually injured themselves (Henry was injured or suspended, I can't remember). This is the one of the few constants in Shanny's backfield which really doesn't bode well for someone as fragile as Helu.

Totally agree. But when a guy finishes the season that well against top tier DEF's, then preseasons it w 120yds and 2tds in a game... is healthy... well, call me crazy, but Morris owners are not going to be happy.Just my opinion, but Helu is already the sleeper of the draft. He stays healthy, he's a lock for top 15 #s with definite top 10 upside.

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

This has been my train of thought from the onset and why I believe Morris will win the job. Although he played for Florida Atlantic, in a weak division, he's only suffered from one injury in his career in which I believe he missed no time. His biggest problem was ball security, as he fumbled 16 times through-out his college career. If anything is going to take him off the field, it will be ball security issues.Royster's success was simply a product of fresh legs last year and people forget, he injured his ribs in those two measly starts. That coupled with the preseason knee issues and I doubt he's durable enough.

I won't even go into why Morris fits the offense much better than his competition.

Bottom line is, the knee jerk reaction will always be to go with the more talented guy in Helu. In this backfield however, durability will trump talent by years end.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

I understand the health concerns of Helu, but he is the ONLY RB on the Skins to have proven anything in real game time against top tier defenses. Stats don't lie.Showed more of the same in preseason. I know Shan like to mind funk people, but you play your best players... helu is their best RB. I firmly believe he tales the reigns and runs with it.

I won't dispute that Helu should be the starter, but Royster did go 19/132 against a very good Vikings run defense last year.

Time will tell. Im just willing to stick my neck out for Helu. Talent, proven, healthy. Dangerous combo.Morris is getting a whole hell of a lot of nut massaging for a guy who has only shown he can put up good #s in preseason

I'll admit Morris is getting a ton of hype without true merit. I'm willing to stick my neck out for him though. After analyzing the picture as a whole he seems to be the most logical choice.

 

[cstu]

I imagine Shanahan is getting very tired of every RB of his getting injured. Even though Helu is unquestionably the most talented back on the Redskins I can see Morris keeping the job if he can stay healthy. Helu brings a lot to the table even if he was in a RBBC or primary a 3rd down back. Royster was extremely effective in his two starts last year and I believe he'd be the starter if he could stay healthy.

I understand the health concerns of Helu, but he is the ONLY RB on the Skins to have proven anything in real game time against top tier defenses. Stats don't lie.Showed more of the same in preseason. I know Shan like to mind funk people, but you play your best players... helu is their best RB. I firmly believe he tales the reigns and runs with it.

I won't dispute that Helu should be the starter, but Royster did go 19/132 against a very good Vikings run defense last year.

Time will tell. Im just willing to stick my neck out for Helu. Talent, proven, healthy. Dangerous combo.Morris is getting a whole hell of a lot of nut massaging for a guy who has only shown he can put up good #s in preseason

Although Helu played (and looked great) in the last preseason he has been hampered by tendinitis in both of his Achilles, which can lead to Achilles tendon ruptures. That doesn't seem like a great thing to have in a RB who you want to be a workhorse.

 

[monk]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

He's proven more than Morris. Fact is that any RB in this system will look good with reps. I only draft Washington RB's to trade them and it's done me well.

 

[DansRams]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

Fresh leg syndrome??? lol...the BS is DEEP in here

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

Fresh leg syndrome??? lol...the BS is DEEP in here

You actually think Royster is talented enough to put up 150+ yards on the reg? Good god, have you ever even watched football? RBs who've been riding the pine come alive in Dec/Jan all the time.

 

[skinsrule05]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

This doesn't make any sense. You downplay Royster because he came in wk 16 & 17 (fresh legs syndrome) but Helu doing the same thing in wk 13-15 is pure skill?I don't believe anyone starting a Washington RB this week is using there head at all. I agree one of them may have value this year. But there is no way you can guess who that is at this point. Anyone making arguments (more talented, more durable...) just sounds silly because you really have no idea what shanny is thinking. Give it a couple weeks to sort out. If you truly need to start a Washington RB in week 1 your team has a lot more problems.

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

This doesn't make any sense. You downplay Royster because he came in wk 16 & 17 (fresh legs syndrome) but Helu doing the same thing in wk 13-15 is pure skill?I don't believe anyone starting a Washington RB this week is using there head at all. I agree one of them may have value this year. But there is no way you can guess who that is at this point. Anyone making arguments (more talented, more durable...) just sounds silly because you really have no idea what shanny is thinking. Give it a couple weeks to sort out. If you truly need to start a Washington RB in week 1 your team has a lot more problems.

You've never watched either run if you can't distinguish the gap in talent between Royster and Helu, I'm sorry. They all have different skills sets, varying levels of talent and durability. There's also a huge difference between playing five games towards the end of the season and two games during a time period where 50% of the teams don't give a crap anymore.

 

[Soulfly3]

^^ Good point. week 16/17 were against teams who had a 0% chance at the playoffs

 

[DansRams]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

Fresh leg syndrome??? lol...the BS is DEEP in here

You actually think Royster is talented enough to put up 150+ yards on the reg? Good god, have you ever even watched football? RBs who've been riding the pine come alive in Dec/Jan all the time.

Oh Lord....now he pulls out the good old "have you ever even watched football?" question?

Lets see...You talk about Helu's "great games"...I believe you said...

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

The you say..

RBs who've been riding the pine come alive in Dec/Jan all the time

.Those games for Helu were 11/27 and in December...He had only 51 carries prior to that lol...once again I say your posts are full of.....

 

[SameSongNDance]

There's going to be a lot of tears being shed when Helu leads the Skins in carries not only this week, but every week until he injures himself.

FTFY

sure. but until that happens, if it does happen... It's Helu's job.The guy broke 1000+ total yds on exactly 200 touches.

Quick Breakdown For Those who Forgot

Week 13 v SEA - 160yds td

week 14 v NYJ - 140yds td

Week 15 v NE - 130yds

Week 16 v NYG - 70yds

Week 17 v PHI - 50yds td (on only 6 touches)

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

Yep and when it wasn't Helu it was Royster Week 16 v MIN- 147yds

Week 17 v PHI - 165yds

Shonn Greene looked VERY good around the same time two years ago. IMO, fresh legs syndrome is very real. Royster hasn't proven much of anything.

Fresh leg syndrome??? lol...the BS is DEEP in here

You actually think Royster is talented enough to put up 150+ yards on the reg? Good god, have you ever even watched football? RBs who've been riding the pine come alive in Dec/Jan all the time.

Oh Lord....now he pulls out the good old "have you ever even watched football?" question?

Lets see...You talk about Helu's "great games"...I believe you said...

Look at those Defenses. look at the stats.

some ppl take the Shanahan business a bit too serious.

Helu is real. Watch and learn.

The you say..

RBs who've been riding the pine come alive in Dec/Jan all the time

.Those games for Helu we 11/27 and December...He had only 51 carries prior to that lol...once again I say your posts are full of.....

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

 

[DansRams]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played for five games during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances.

Honesty...please stop with the "you dont watch football" bs....it is old and pathetic. The fact is that anyone thinking they can predict what Shanny will do is simply full of it. As for the last 2 games not being relevent...lol. They were against the Giants and Phili who were both fighting to make the playoffs....does it get more relevant...lol...once again your post is full of Ok my turn If you cant tell that games with playoff implications are relevent "You must not watch much football"

 

[SameSongNDance]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played for five games during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances.

Honesty...please stop with the "you dont watch football" bs....it is old and pathetic. The fact is that anyone thinking they can predict what Shanny will do is simply full of it. As for the last 2 games not being relevent...lol. They were against the Giants and Phili who were both fighting to make the playoffs....does it get more relevant...lol...once again your post is full of Ok my turn If you cant tell that games with playoff implications are relevent "You must not watch much football"

You're serious? It was against MIN and PHI, not NYG and PHI. It's implied MIN had no playoff shot, but.."The 7-8 Philadelphia Eagles host the 5-10 Washington Redskins this Sunday in a game that has no playoff implications, as both teams have been eliminated from contention."I'm now convinced you don't watch football.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Benching him for a gimpy Richardson who I know will at least (if he is playing) get 10 touches.

 

[Soulfly3]

DansRams, you're way off on your arguments man.

Quoting wrong people, arguing with teams that didnt play... neither of which had a shot at the playoffs, though you claim did.

What's up?

 

[DansRams]

DansRams, you're way off on your arguments man.Quoting wrong people, arguing with teams that didnt play... neither of which had a shot at the playoffs, though you claim did.What's up?

I saw this whole thread was full of and wanted to join in and be full of tooBig waste of time isn't it

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

 

[SameSongNDance]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

Why do you have to be so polarizing? I shouldn't even have to justify this with an answer and I won't. Re-read the conversation between DansRams and I.

 

[Soulfly3]

DansRams, you're way off on your arguments man.Quoting wrong people, arguing with teams that didnt play... neither of which had a shot at the playoffs, though you claim did.What's up?

I saw this whole thread was full of and wanted to join in and be full of tooBig waste of time isn't it

It's basically a discussion on who ppl believe is the best WAS RB, and who is likely to start/run away with the job.Not really a waste of time because ppl have different opinions on it. That's what makes it more worthwhile

 

[DansRams]

DansRams, you're way off on your arguments man.Quoting wrong people, arguing with teams that didnt play... neither of which had a shot at the playoffs, though you claim did.What's up?

I saw this whole thread was full of and wanted to join in and be full of tooBig waste of time isn't it

It's basically a discussion on who ppl believe is the best WAS RB, and who is likely to start/run away with the job.Not really a waste of time because ppl have different opinions on it. That's what makes it more worthwhile

This thread is actually....or was supposed to be "Who are you starting Morris over?" until it was taken over to once again debate the impossible to predict....the thread you are talking about can be found multiple times throughout the Pool....it is really getting old

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

Why do you have to be so polarizing? I shouldn't even have to justify this with an answer and I won't. Re-read the conversation between DansRams and I.

I've read the entire thread and have involved myself in it multiple times my man You said multiple times in several posts that the week 16 and 17 opponents had nothing to play for. That debate went in line with your trend of discrediting Roysters numbers in week 16 and 17. This aspect of your debate morphed upon your first argument about Helu's numbers being more impressive because Royster had fresh late season legs was debunked when it was pointed out that Helu did the same in late season and his mid and early season performances were not noteworthy.Plus, your entry into the thread and several others that you have quoted on the shark pool have practically been parroting word for word things that you hear on the The Audible and other podcasts and using them as your own thoughts kind of make you look a little silly my friend. Have an open mind to what others have to say. We're all trying to help eachother, not show off our smarts.

 

[SameSongNDance]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

Why do you have to be so polarizing? I shouldn't even have to justify this with an answer and I won't. Re-read the conversation between DansRams and I.

I've read the entire thread and have involved myself in it multiple times my man You said multiple times in several posts that the week 16 and 17 opponents had nothing to play for. That debate went in line with your trend of discrediting Roysters numbers in week 16 and 17. This aspect of your debate morphed upon your first argument about Helu's numbers being more impressive because Royster had fresh late season legs was debunked when it was pointed out that Helu did the same in late season and his mid and early season performances were not noteworthy.Plus, your entry into the thread and several others that you have quoted on the shark pool have practically been parroting word for word things that you hear on the The Audible and other podcasts and using them as your own thoughts kind of make you look a little silly my friend. Have an open mind to what others have to say. We're all trying to help eachother, not show off our smarts.

It wasn't debunked, I still stand by the fact Helu's performances hold more value than Royster's. I don't listen to podcasts, I don't see the point when we have forums like this, I do all of my own research. Every stat in this thread about Shanny's tendencies, Helu's injuries and Morris's college stats were researched by myself quite easily. In the end, when it comes to statistics, everything gets regurgitated anyway, right? The internet is a funny thing. I do like how you took the route of labeling me a sheep though, touche, it was the last thing you could resort to after all.

 

[DansRams]

Here are a few links if you all would like to debate this multiple times

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=650829

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=654057

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=653174&st=0

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=653458&st=50&p=14726889&hl=helu&fromsearch=1entry14726889

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=653655&hl=helu&st=0

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=645162&st=0&p=14666348&hl=helu&fromsearch=1entry14666348

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=650475&st=0&p=14644740&hl=helu&fromsearch=1entry14644740

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=649592&st=0&p=14631238&hl=helu&fromsearch=1entry14631238

I could keep going...

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

Why do you have to be so polarizing? I shouldn't even have to justify this with an answer and I won't. Re-read the conversation between DansRams and I.

I've read the entire thread and have involved myself in it multiple times my man You said multiple times in several posts that the week 16 and 17 opponents had nothing to play for. That debate went in line with your trend of discrediting Roysters numbers in week 16 and 17. This aspect of your debate morphed upon your first argument about Helu's numbers being more impressive because Royster had fresh late season legs was debunked when it was pointed out that Helu did the same in late season and his mid and early season performances were not noteworthy.Plus, your entry into the thread and several others that you have quoted on the shark pool have practically been parroting word for word things that you hear on the The Audible and other podcasts and using them as your own thoughts kind of make you look a little silly my friend. Have an open mind to what others have to say. We're all trying to help eachother, not show off our smarts.

It wasn't debunked, I still stand by the fact Helu's performances hold more value than Royster's. I don't listen to podcasts, I don't see the point when we have forums like this, I do all of my own research. Every stat in this thread about Shanny's tendencies, Helu's injuries and Morris's college stats were researched by myself quite easily. In the end, when it comes to statistics, everything gets regurgitated anyway, right? The internet is a funny thing. I do like how you took that route of trying and label me a sheep though, touche, it was the last thing you could resort to after all.

I wasn't resorting to anything. My thoughts and debate was both clear and consise, which is why you could not dipute back. Instead you stood pat and refused to offer further evidence. I'm not trying to ride you at all, just pointing out what I feel as a wishy washy posts that you continue to change upon getting stuck. If you feel one way then give your opinion and bow out. Our goal is to help others, not muddy up peoples view.in regards to the sheeping, there is about 4 posts today that have mimicked the fantasy community as a whole word for word. Not just in podcasts but in articles at just about every fantasy source. Don't tell us you get your information from people on a forum because you just joined and based off your posting style it's pretty telling that you're not here for fact finding.Edit: Also, we all use outside sources to get different fantasy viewpoints. Were here to not only follow the game we love but to win money and respect. Anyone who says otherwise is selling once used trash bags.

 

[SameSongNDance]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

Why do you have to be so polarizing? I shouldn't even have to justify this with an answer and I won't. Re-read the conversation between DansRams and I.

I've read the entire thread and have involved myself in it multiple times my man You said multiple times in several posts that the week 16 and 17 opponents had nothing to play for. That debate went in line with your trend of discrediting Roysters numbers in week 16 and 17. This aspect of your debate morphed upon your first argument about Helu's numbers being more impressive because Royster had fresh late season legs was debunked when it was pointed out that Helu did the same in late season and his mid and early season performances were not noteworthy.

Plus, your entry into the thread and several others that you have quoted on the shark pool have practically been parroting word for word things that you hear on the The Audible and other podcasts and using them as your own thoughts kind of make you look a little silly my friend. Have an open mind to what others have to say. We're all trying to help eachother, not show off our smarts.

It wasn't debunked, I still stand by the fact Helu's performances hold more value than Royster's. I don't listen to podcasts, I don't see the point when we have forums like this, I do all of my own research. Every stat in this thread about Shanny's tendencies, Helu's injuries and Morris's college stats were researched by myself quite easily. In the end, when it comes to statistics, everything gets regurgitated anyway, right? The internet is a funny thing. I do like how you took that route of trying and label me a sheep though, touche, it was the last thing you could resort to after all.

I wasn't resorting to anything. My thoughts and debate was both clear and consise, which is why you could not dipute back. Instead you stood pat and refused to offer further evidence. I'm not trying to ride you at all, just pointing out what I feel as a wishy washy posts that you continue to change upon getting stuck. If you feel one way then give your opinion and bow out. Our goal is to help others, not muddy up peoples view.in regards to the sheeping, there is about 4 posts today that have mimicked the fantasy community as a whole word for word. Not just in podcasts but in articles at just about every fantasy source. Don't tell us you get your information from people on a forum because you just joined and based off your posting style it's pretty telling that your not here for fact finding.

I've stood firm on all of my opinions, please show me where I've flip flopped inside and outside this thread, I'm legitimately interested. I also can't help if I agree with the fantasy community or vice versa. Again, in regards to you mislabeling me a sheep. I even posted my Week 1 Sleeper - WR thread days before a lot sites released theirs, with my own honest opinions that I haven't wavered on. I'm not sure why I'm trying to justify anything to you and I'll stop because this is extremely off topic. I'll just say thanks for the criticism? I appreciate that you took your time to analyze my posts. Please PM me in the future if you notice anything else about my posting style and etc. Thanks.

 

[Soulfly3]

Edit: Also, we all use outside sources to get different fantasy viewpoints. Were here to not only follow the game we love but to win money and respect.

Couldn't give 2 funks about respect.All I give 2 sharts about is $

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

That first post you quoted, wasn't me, I can tell you've been paying attention. Again Helu played during a relevant time period, Royster didn't. You really don't watch football if you can't tell the difference between both performances. It's okay though, I can't expect everyone to understand the difference between a team vying for the playoffs and one that has no shot.

Are you telling me the athletes on the field in week 16 and 17 just decided to let Royster run? Did they let the redskins pass at will too?

Why do you have to be so polarizing? I shouldn't even have to justify this with an answer and I won't. Re-read the conversation between DansRams and I.

I've read the entire thread and have involved myself in it multiple times my man You said multiple times in several posts that the week 16 and 17 opponents had nothing to play for. That debate went in line with your trend of discrediting Roysters numbers in week 16 and 17. This aspect of your debate morphed upon your first argument about Helu's numbers being more impressive because Royster had fresh late season legs was debunked when it was pointed out that Helu did the same in late season and his mid and early season performances were not noteworthy.

Plus, your entry into the thread and several others that you have quoted on the shark pool have practically been parroting word for word things that you hear on the The Audible and other podcasts and using them as your own thoughts kind of make you look a little silly my friend. Have an open mind to what others have to say. We're all trying to help eachother, not show off our smarts.

It wasn't debunked, I still stand by the fact Helu's performances hold more value than Royster's. I don't listen to podcasts, I don't see the point when we have forums like this, I do all of my own research. Every stat in this thread about Shanny's tendencies, Helu's injuries and Morris's college stats were researched by myself quite easily. In the end, when it comes to statistics, everything gets regurgitated anyway, right? The internet is a funny thing. I do like how you took that route of trying and label me a sheep though, touche, it was the last thing you could resort to after all.

I wasn't resorting to anything. My thoughts and debate was both clear and consise, which is why you could not dipute back. Instead you stood pat and refused to offer further evidence. I'm not trying to ride you at all, just pointing out what I feel as a wishy washy posts that you continue to change upon getting stuck. If you feel one way then give your opinion and bow out. Our goal is to help others, not muddy up peoples view.in regards to the sheeping, there is about 4 posts today that have mimicked the fantasy community as a whole word for word. Not just in podcasts but in articles at just about every fantasy source. Don't tell us you get your information from people on a forum because you just joined and based off your posting style it's pretty telling that your not here for fact finding.

I've stood firm on all of my opinions, please show me where I've flip flopped inside and outside this thread, I'm legitimately interested. I also can't help if I agree with the fantasy community or vice versa. Again, in regards to you mislabeling me a sheep. I even posted my Week 1 Sleeper - WR thread days before a lot sites released theirs, with my own honest opinions that I haven't wavered on. I'm not sure why I'm trying to justify anything to you and I'll stop because this is extremely off topic. I'll just say thanks for the criticism? I appreciate that you took your time to analyze my posts. Please PM me in the future if you notice anything else about my posting style and etc. Thanks.

i'LL GIVE YOU ONE THING, you have not wavered on your overall opinions, but in every case your supporting arguments have changed once you seemingly get stumped. You are debating till you die which is muddying up your original opinions, which is why I suggested you make your point and get out. And yes, they have been de-funked (to an extent.... I made reference to one case earlier) and when given a chance to defend it you conceed and continue to stay you stand by your opinion. The only reason why myself, and others have chimed in in other threads is because you are only building one side of the rubix cube despite being presented with the 7 others.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Just motivating tatum........I mean helu

 

[Seasick Sailor]

Donald Brown?

 

[rockaction]

If he starts, then over A. Jeffery, J. Rodgers, B. Edwards, and R. Streater.

 

[cobalt_27]

This is such a good way to get around the prohibition of WDIS questions in the SP. So clever.

 

[rockaction]

This is such a good way to get around the prohibition of WDIS questions in the SP. So clever.

Is it? My personal take on it was to answer the question straightforwardly, not to "seek advice." I don't really want any. Let's discuss Morris's merits over other players as a general strategy, which inevitably includes other players and specific situations. I don't know, I think it adds to the breadth of knowledge one can glean. It's hardly as cynical as a "thinly-veiled" attempt to get around anything, from my perspective.