This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Some of your overrated choices strike me as odd, particularly Desean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, and Steve Smith. From what I've seen, all three of those guys are being sold for pennies on the dollar compared to their recent performance. In a recent dynasty start-up I was in, all three players were drafted outside of the top 100.
By recent are we talking last season, or is this an IDP league?The only one of them being sold for what someone might consider "cheap" is DJax who I saw go for a high mid first, everyone ive seen is trying to squeeze everything out of Carolina Smith and Nelson. St. Louis Smith I havent seen any action, but people are talking like landing in St. Louis is gonna be an amazing fit (cant see why anyone would think that).
fixed
Hillis is going to limit Charles' upside. Especially if the Chiefs can keep games close in the 4th quarter.
You don't really have this luxury.
by the Marshawn Lynch and Larry Fitzgerald overrated tags.
Indeed. All he does is average about 100/game ALL THE TIME and he has a year with some injuries and he's done...I hope people keep thinking that way.
Im not going to say your wrong because we have no idea but in 2010 Charles best year Thomas Jones got more carries then Charles so Hillis taking carries or goaline work away isnt going to hurt Charles stats IMO. Charles is a big play guy so 220 carries and 60 catches is plenty for him IF he is back to 100% of what he was.OverratedEric Decker- Right now we have no idea who Manning's man guy will be or even if Manning will be 100% but it seems like Decker value is sky highUnderratedSteven Jackson- In a recent dynasty draft he fell like he was almost worthless and even though I dont see a top 5 year I think you could get two very sold years from him
Yea, tagging Felix as underrated had me
Unfortunately it doesn't work like this.
Low Floor, sure. But I don't think we have seen his ceiling yet, unless it was that 228 yard game last season. And if so, that is one heck of a ceiling!
Sure, lets cherry pick. Removing that game, Beanie had 218 carries for 819 yards in 2011 after he was given all the opportunity in the world with Ryan Williams down for the count. Arizona is going to draft another RB.
218 Carries for 819 yards and 9 TDs. Kinda left out the most important part to his value, no? The fact that Beanie managed 10 TDs on that horrid offense and behind that horrid offensive line shows how great of a season he had, IMO. If he can continue to stay healthy (I know, Mr. Injury who has missed all of 4 games his first 3 years), I see him anywhere in the 10-20 range. IE, RB2.
Funny, I'll be buying Bradshaw if they draft a back. Just because I expect his cost to plummet while he'd be a fine RB2.
That is only a shark move if Bradshaw's feet are magically healed by the Mini IGNITE shot he received. His other option was more surgery, so I think Bradshaw is sitting back with those feet in the air right now, trying to heal up. When they feel better, he is going to start running hard again and you never know what will happen then. High risk play.http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/03/a-closer-look-at-ahmad-bradshaws-foot-procedure
This is why I have him on my over-rated list. Someone has to like him.
Although Beanie signed a 5 year deal in 2009, the Cardinals actually have a "club option" on year 5. This means Beanie needs to produce this year or he is done with the Cardinals. His YPC is very low and the team is losing. Not only does Beanie have to stay healthy, but he has to produce at least 4.8 YPC. I do not think he will do both and I think we will see a transition in this backfield.
I agree here. Provided Bradshaw's feet are healthy or expected to recover, the logic should read.
In my opinion. Otherwise others can see the same writing on the wall, and aren't going to move for low/high price you need/want.
Following this logic, wouldn't Peters injury have a negative impact on Celek? Weaker player at tackle = Celek blocking.'Zimm said:
This was Philly's OLine at the beginning of last yearAll Pro
Until Beanie's 2011 season, it had been 23 years since a Cardinal RB had 200 carries and a 4.0+ yards per carry (Earl Ferrell, 1988). My guess is the Cards may be happy with him.'Touchdown There said:This is why I have him on my over-rated list. Someone has to like him.'gandalas said:
Most people expect the 2012 Cardinals to be in the bottom 3rd of NFL teams. They have both Kolb and Skelton, but they wanted Peyton Manning. You know how it is, when you have 2 QBs, you really have none. High risk for a low ceiling, very low floor player.
With NFL contracts, the vast majority of years on any player is a "club option", barring G-jack that makes it prohibitive to move a guy. I really don't get your points. You speak like Wells has missed a ton of time. He hasn't and he's certainly no different than any other RB in the league the last 2 years not named...Shady? they all miss time.'Touchdown There said:This is why I have him on my over-rated list. Someone has to like him.'gandalas said:
Most people expect the 2012 Cardinals to be in the bottom 3rd of NFL teams. They have both Kolb and Skelton, but they wanted Peyton Manning. You know how it is, when you have 2 QBs, you really have none. High risk for a low ceiling, very low floor player.
Trade him while you still have time Shutout. His value will slowly decline from now until Dec.
With NFL contracts, the vast majority of years on any player is a "club option", barring G-jack that makes it prohibitive to move a guy. I really don't get your points. You speak like Wells has missed a ton of time. He hasn't and he's certainly no different than any other RB in the league the last 2 years not named...Shady? they all miss time.'Touchdown There said:This is why I have him on my over-rated list. Someone has to like him.'gandalas said:
Most people expect the 2012 Cardinals to be in the bottom 3rd of NFL teams. They have both Kolb and Skelton, but they wanted Peyton Manning. You know how it is, when you have 2 QBs, you really have none. High risk for a low ceiling, very low floor player.
4.8 yards per carry? Do you realize that, with the exception of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, the other 8 top 10 all time greatests RBs averaged ~4.3 ypc for their career? Why does Beanie have to average what would be a top 3 all-time average to keep his job? For the record, guess what Beanie has averaged in his two seasons he played full seasons? 4.4.
For those of us who watched and listened to the Cardinals last year, the HC was pleased with what they got, given what they had to work with. This wasn't Beanie's blame and he came to play last year and did well. The fact that he did what he did based on that team's problems is a tribute, not a detriment. For all the team needs, I highly doubt RB is high on the list of where to burn draft picks (of course, if some rediculous value is on the board, a team has to do it if that happens...even the Patriots wouldn't pass on RG III if he just fell to them).
Just like you said someone has to like him, I guess the converse is true: someone has to hate on him: that is what makes him undervalued.
When you say that is his floor but he has a 116 carry, 397 yard, 2 TD season under his belt (2010) it makes me wonder if everyone's definition of floor is what my definition is.
Rocker hit it on the head with the break down of the Eagles O-line, and i don't think Celek will be blocking as much for as big of a weapon as he was down the stretch....Vick zoned in on him and at times...a little too much.
And since this is a dynasty thread, what does floor mean on a timeline? I was probably using the wrong terminology. I think Beanie had his best season last year and will be in a full blown RBBC or less from here on out. A declining scale of fantasy points.It is fair to say that a few others see increased production in 2012 and beyond. But, hey, that is why I put him on my over-valued list. Other people have to really like him.
Doesn't every player who misses part of a season have their numbers look lower, overall?I mean, we could say the same thing about Fred Taylor back in the day and he had several quality seasons. Or more recently, what if we said Matt Stafford's floor is "x" because he only played in a few games in year 2? I honestly don't know why Beanie is such a pinata. He gets beaten on blindly but if you look at the numbers, he is as good or better than a lot of guys. So the next step people take is to talk about this "always injured" thing but he has missed like 4 games in three years; I don't know an NFL RB who hasn't. I really don't get it.
When has Spiller looked mediocre?
There's a ton of assumptions in that statement - especially for an RB who is only 23 years old. I don't think Wells is being underated per se, but a 23 year old who has shown signs of improvement and ability - and whose only competition is a guy coming off a major injury is definately hard to overrate.
