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Who benefits more with Favre in NYJ? (1 Viewer)

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Jets receivers last year

Cotchery 82/1130 2TD

Coles 55/646/ 6TD

If we compare them to GB last year

Jennings 53/920 12TD

Driver 82/1048 2TD

Favre will obviously spread the ball around more than the NYJ did last year. But one of these receivers will be the stud to have. And the other will be pretty good.

Which one is the one to have?

This was supposed to be a poll. sorry

 
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Definitely Cotchery. While Coles has been allegedly sulking about losing his pal Pennington, Cotchery has been working on his rapport with Favre. He's even been doing finger exercises to aid in catching Favre's fastballs.

From today's practice:

Favre connected with WR Jerricho Cotchery on a postcard perfect 75-yard TD pass on a go pattern down the left sideline that was completed despite air-tight coverage by CB David Barrett. Folks, I'm not making this stuff up.

Favre hit Cotchery in stride and between the numbers on a ball that traveled 65 yards in the air.

``It was a great ball,'' said Cotchery after practice, the first of two today. ``(Favre) gave me an opportunity to make a play, He put it out there far enough, he put enough air up under it where I could try to run and go get it.''

Although one would perfer Favre save such throws for the regular season, Cotchery said making a connection in practice is the first step.

``Any opportunity I get to make a catch from him when you're developing a new relationship with a quarterback, you have to make plays for him in order for him to have confidence in you,'' said Cotchery. ``That's what I'm trying to do.''

 
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I think they'll both benefit. I'll have no problem taking whatever one drops to me.
I agree, they both will benefit probably pretty equally. To me, Thomas Jones is the guy that benefits more than any other skill position by this move. Now there will be a legitimate passing threat to help keep the defenses a little more honest.
 
from Boland's blog (Newsday)

Of course the cheers that went up from the lap were dwarfed by those produced later when Favre unloaded an absolute rocket down the left sideline on a go route that hit Jerricho Cotchery in stride. The ball traveled 65 yards in the air and resulted in a 75-yard touchdown. David Barrett’s coverage wasn’t awful (I know what’s coming…), the throw was just perfect. Earlier in the practice Favre hit Cotchery on another go route, this one covering 35 yards down the right sideline with Cotchery beating Ahmad Carroll. Cotchery and Favre look like they’ve worked together for a lot longer than two practices. Obviously, it’s a work in progress with the other guys.

 
I like both in PPR leagues but I think Cotchery has more upside. His run-after-the-catch ability should work very well with Favre's ability to put the ball in places where the WR can make the catch and then generate more yardage. I would imagine the 75-yard TD in practice mentioned in this thread would be an example of that.

I think Cotchery has Top 15-20 potential in PPR leagues. I think Coles is a Top 25 guy who could slip into the Top 20-25 range. I'd be happy with both in a PPR format but I think Cotchery is the guy who will deliver bigger results.

 
packersfan said:
I like both in PPR leagues but I think Cotchery has more upside. His run-after-the-catch ability should work very well with Favre's ability to put the ball in places where the WR can make the catch and then generate more yardage. I would imagine the 75-yard TD in practice mentioned in this thread would be an example of that. I think Cotchery has Top 15-20 potential in PPR leagues. I think Coles is a Top 25 guy who could slip into the Top 20-25 range. I'd be happy with both in a PPR format but I think Cotchery is the guy who will deliver bigger results.
You would target both of them huh?
 
I will take the contrarian aproach and go with the vet. Coles is a warrior and a PPR type of player. Favre will find him early and often.

Both will be good with Favre no doubt...but I like Coles slightly more.

 
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packersfan said:
I like both in PPR leagues but I think Cotchery has more upside. His run-after-the-catch ability should work very well with Favre's ability to put the ball in places where the WR can make the catch and then generate more yardage. I would imagine the 75-yard TD in practice mentioned in this thread would be an example of that. I think Cotchery has Top 15-20 potential in PPR leagues. I think Coles is a Top 25 guy who could slip into the Top 20-25 range. I'd be happy with both in a PPR format but I think Cotchery is the guy who will deliver bigger results.
You would target both of them huh?
Nope. I'd target Cotchery and hope to get him but if I didn't get him and was able to get Coles I'd be happy with that in a PPR league. I like Coles less in standard scoring leagues.
 
From a fan's camp report:

Afterwards, the four QBs played catch with each to warm up the arms, and a fifth Jet came over- Coles stood next to Favre and caught Clemens' throws and handed the ball to 4 to throw back to Clemens. They chatted some while this was happening. Franks stood a few feet away, listening in.

Favre and Coles were also gesturing to each other with their hands and arms while playing catch- the up and over type of gestures indicating whether WRs were going to run straight or cut, etc. Clearly, everyone is trying to get on the same page as quickly as possible.

Let me repeat...

Coles stood next to Favre

 
From a fan's camp report:

Let me repeat...

Coles stood next to Favre
I think that speaks volumes about the situation. If Favre let Coles stand next to him then he's the one. Bump Coles up & hope we can keep this quite.
 
Actually, I think the person who benefits most is Thomas Jones. Pennington was known as having arguably the weakest arm in the NFL. With Favre, linebackers are going to be playing back and Jones will benefit accordingly.

 
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From a fan's camp report:

Afterwards, the four QBs played catch with each to warm up the arms, and a fifth Jet came over- Coles stood next to Favre and caught Clemens' throws and handed the ball to 4 to throw back to Clemens. They chatted some while this was happening. Franks stood a few feet away, listening in.

Favre and Coles were also gesturing to each other with their hands and arms while playing catch- the up and over type of gestures indicating whether WRs were going to run straight or cut, etc. Clearly, everyone is trying to get on the same page as quickly as possible.

Let me repeat...

Coles stood next to Favre
Sounds like Cotchery is the man. Coles is just standing around trying to figure things out.
 
I've wandered into a strange world where "who is standing next to Brett Favre" makes a difference.

Help Mr. Wizard.

 
Actually, I think the person who benefits most is Thomas Jones. Pennington was known as having arguably the weakest arm in the NFL. With Favre, linebackers are going to be playing back and Jones will benefit accordingly.
:thumbdown: Exactly what I was thinking. Improved Line + Favre keeping Safties and LB's honest should help Jones be pretty productive.
 
Thomas Jones hit the lottery in the offseason. He received a reinvented O-line and a QB with an arm that defenses are forced to respect. I think TJ its pretty safe to predict he will have a great season (although he turns the big 30) and if Farve dumps some passes off his way, he may just make his way into the top 10 RB's.

 
afc east db's.
The New York Jets receivers certainly have their hands full trying to adjust to the arm of their new starting QB. The Jets WRs are finding out just how strong QB Brett Favre's arm is. "Whatever route you have, you better run it hard because the ball could be coming. If you're not looking, you may get hit in the head." WR Jerricho Cotchery said Monday. Jets WRs are putting in extra work to adjust to the change, ranging from hand-strengthening exercises to catching extra close range balls from the JUGS machine. "As soon as you come out of your break, the ball's right here," TE Dustin Keller said. "You just have to have your hands up real quick." sounds like he still has it.
 
Thomas Jones hit the lottery in the offseason. He received a reinvented O-line and a QB with an arm that defenses are forced to respect. I think TJ its pretty safe to predict he will have a great season (although he turns the big 30) and if Farve dumps some passes off his way, he may just make his way into the top 10 RB's.
FFYoda: Talking out of his ###, CommishCurd is not. 3 month long woody, Thomas Jones has! Listen to him you should! Buy Microsoft did he foresee.
 
afc east db's.
AFC East DB's are finding out just how strong QB Brett Favre's arm is. "Whatever route you have, you better run it hard because the ball could be coming. If you're not looking, you may get hit in the head." "As soon as you come out of your break, the ball's right here," "You just have to have your hands up real quick."
fixed
You mean the Favre who put up 28-15-4155 last year, and whose 15 INTs were fewer than Eli Manning, Palmer, Anderson, Romo and Brees, and only one fewer than Peyton?
 
I know lots of people are bumping up Thomas Jones after the Favre trade, but assuming you had him properly rated before, I wouldn't bump him much because of the addition of Favre. There is very little evidence showing synergies between the running and passing game. Sure it makes sense in theory that Favre helps Jones, but look at which team had the top rushing attack last year. Do you think if the Vikings had Favre that Peterson and Taylor would have run for 2600 yards instead of 2300? I don't, and the difference between Favre and Jackson is huge.

I'd love to see the evidence, but I'm far from convinced that the addition of a stud QB helps out his RBs. Dan Marino, anyone?

 
I know lots of people are bumping up Thomas Jones after the Favre trade, but assuming you had him properly rated before, I wouldn't bump him much because of the addition of Favre. There is very little evidence showing synergies between the running and passing game. Sure it makes sense in theory that Favre helps Jones, but look at which team had the top rushing attack last year. Do you think if the Vikings had Favre that Peterson and Taylor would have run for 2600 yards instead of 2300? I don't, and the difference between Favre and Jackson is huge.I'd love to see the evidence, but I'm far from convinced that the addition of a stud QB helps out his RBs. Dan Marino, anyone?
Not fair - You're comparing what looks to be the Next Dynamic "do it all" "Take it to the house" Young RB in the league to Thomas Jones who is much more of a 'Take what the OL and defense gives you" RB..... Every inch the defense is back means a lot more to TJ.Miami never committed to the running game like the Jets have been planning to do.... It's not often that you have a QB with stud potential with a team that could be greatly committed to the running game like the Jets should still be especially at the start of the year.
 
I know lots of people are bumping up Thomas Jones after the Favre trade, but assuming you had him properly rated before, I wouldn't bump him much because of the addition of Favre. There is very little evidence showing synergies between the running and passing game. Sure it makes sense in theory that Favre helps Jones, but look at which team had the top rushing attack last year. Do you think if the Vikings had Favre that Peterson and Taylor would have run for 2600 yards instead of 2300? I don't, and the difference between Favre and Jackson is huge.I'd love to see the evidence, but I'm far from convinced that the addition of a stud QB helps out his RBs. Dan Marino, anyone?
Not fair - You're comparing what looks to be the Next Dynamic "do it all" "Take it to the house" Young RB in the league to Thomas Jones who is much more of a 'Take what the OL and defense gives you" RB..... Every inch the defense is back means a lot more to TJ.Miami never committed to the running game like the Jets have been planning to do.... It's not often that you have a QB with stud potential with a team that could be greatly committed to the running game like the Jets should still be especially at the start of the year.
Thomas Jones may have a big season, but that will be because he's got a really good offensive line in front of him.I haven't seen any convincing evidence that an improved passing game will help a RB's rushing yardage. Have you?
 
I know lots of people are bumping up Thomas Jones after the Favre trade, but assuming you had him properly rated before, I wouldn't bump him much because of the addition of Favre. There is very little evidence showing synergies between the running and passing game. Sure it makes sense in theory that Favre helps Jones, but look at which team had the top rushing attack last year. Do you think if the Vikings had Favre that Peterson and Taylor would have run for 2600 yards instead of 2300? I don't, and the difference between Favre and Jackson is huge.I'd love to see the evidence, but I'm far from convinced that the addition of a stud QB helps out his RBs. Dan Marino, anyone?
Not fair - You're comparing what looks to be the Next Dynamic "do it all" "Take it to the house" Young RB in the league to Thomas Jones who is much more of a 'Take what the OL and defense gives you" RB..... Every inch the defense is back means a lot more to TJ.Miami never committed to the running game like the Jets have been planning to do.... It's not often that you have a QB with stud potential with a team that could be greatly committed to the running game like the Jets should still be especially at the start of the year.
Thomas Jones may have a big season, but that will be because he's got a really good offensive line in front of him.I haven't seen any convincing evidence that an improved passing game will help a RB's rushing yardage. Have you?
I'm a big believer in offensive lines. You show me the top 10 offensive lines at the end of the season, you're going to find players on that team that had good years. QB's, RB's and Wrs etc.....With RB's, it can get a little tricky sometimes. You need a little more than just a good offensive line, sometimes a decent defense is a help. When you have an offense who's always behind, it's tough to get a lot of rushing yards if the team needs to pass. Now, if you're a multi dimensional back who can run, block and catch the ball, in these kind of situations you can prosper.A guy like Rudi Johnson IF Cinci's oline is better won't do as well if they're down 14 points in the 4th quarter, you'll see guys like Perry or Watson in there.However, a guy like Thomas Jones should do well or at least decent in that same situation. I'm not saying the Jets D is bad, just throwing another ingrediant into the pot.
 
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I know lots of people are bumping up Thomas Jones after the Favre trade, but assuming you had him properly rated before, I wouldn't bump him much because of the addition of Favre. There is very little evidence showing synergies between the running and passing game. Sure it makes sense in theory that Favre helps Jones, but look at which team had the top rushing attack last year. Do you think if the Vikings had Favre that Peterson and Taylor would have run for 2600 yards instead of 2300? I don't, and the difference between Favre and Jackson is huge.

I'd love to see the evidence, but I'm far from convinced that the addition of a stud QB helps out his RBs. Dan Marino, anyone?
Not fair - You're comparing what looks to be the Next Dynamic "do it all" "Take it to the house" Young RB in the league to Thomas Jones who is much more of a 'Take what the OL and defense gives you" RB..... Every inch the defense is back means a lot more to TJ.

Miami never committed to the running game like the Jets have been planning to do....

It's not often that you have a QB with stud potential with a team that could be greatly committed to the running game like the Jets should still be especially at the start of the year.
Thomas Jones may have a big season, but that will be because he's got a really good offensive line in front of him.I haven't seen any convincing evidence that an improved passing game will help a RB's rushing yardage. Have you?
An OL with a somewhat easier job if the line isn't stacked.

I don't think I've ever seen a QB like Pennington Where defenses clearly stacked the line switch to a Qb with the arm like Favre that was a ball control team. Even when Montana went to KC it wasn't anywhere near a comparison to this.

Sometimes the evidence isn't there and common sense comes into play.

The Jets should still have the goal of being a running team this year especially at the start.

Even saying "an improved passing game" is a generaliztion - Fact is we're talking Chad to Favre... and that is a HUGE difference, maybe not as much as an improved passing game but, as a THREAT to go over the top.

NY POST

Here's today's Cannizaro article:

JETS' RUSH 4-TIFIED

DEEP THREAT SHOULD HELP RBS

By MARK CANNIZZARO

Posted: 4:17 am

August 12, 2008

The view from across the line of scrimmage might appear a bit foreign to JetsNew York Jets running backs Thomas JonesThomas Jones and Leon WashingtonLeon Washington .

As they peer over their own wide-body offensive line - Nick Mangold, Alan Faneca, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Brandon Moore and Damien Woody - Jones and Washington might find it to be a little less congested on the other side.

They might find the rush-hour traffic a bit lighter than it was last year thanks to the presence of Brett Favre at quarterback.

For all the gifts Chad Pennington possesses, we're not breaking any news by reporting that his arm strength was not one of them. Because of that, opposing defenses didn't have to fear the deep passes from Pennington and they could even cheat a bit on the perimeter stuff near the sideline.

That allowed opposing defenses to stack eight defenders in the box to stuff Jones at or near the line of scrimmage and smother Washington when the Jets tried to get him into space to make a big play with his elusiveness and speed.

The result was a 19th ranking in the NFL in rushing (only five teams had an average of less than the Jets' 3.8-yards per carry) and too much pressure on Pennington and Kellen Clemens to make plays.

Favre, because he can throw the ball with velocity from Hempstead to Florham Park, N.J., should be able to reverse that trend. That much has appeared evident through only three days of training camp practices as of yesterday.

Because Favre can zip the ball into an antique door keyhole from 60 yards away, opposing defenses are going to have to think twice before sending an extra defender in the box, otherwise Favre could pick the secondary apart.

That should translate into more running lanes for Jones and more open space for Washington.

"All I can do is speak from experience," said Jets fullback Tony Richardson. "When I was in Minnesota, we played Brett and the Packers twice a year and I remember watching our defensive preparation all week long and then you get to the game and he just tears you apart.

"You try to disguise as many looks as you can and he recognizes it and throws a quick pass outside. Then you stop that and he hands the ball to a running back. It's like you're playing chess and a lot of times you're going to lose that chess match to Brett Favre. I've experienced it first hand, up close and personal. "Having a guy like that on your team knows it keeps the defense honest." That's music to Jones' ears.

"I'm not sure exactly what defenses are going to play," Jones said. "They know the caliber of play, know what (Favre) brings to the table and they may back up or they may not.

"Obviously as a running back, you want to go up there with six guys in the box. That's one less guy that you have to deal with before you get in the secondary. I'm going to do everything I can to make his life easier, try get him acclimated to offense and team.

"Just the fact that you have a proven quarterback who's had an outstanding career is enough for people to pay attention."

Asked, from a defensive standpoint, how much Favre's presence could help open up the running game that was so dormant last season, Jets linebacker David Bowens said, "Oh, big time . . . big time."

"In a perfect world I'd say both (Jones and Washington) have 1,000 yards rushing," Bowens said. "The running game has come along so far very well. We have potential to do that."

mark.cannizzaro@nypost.com

 

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