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Who do you "HAVE TO HAVE" this year (1 Viewer)
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Kwai Chang Caine
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Michael Bush
Ive got him in 3 or the 5 Phenoms leagues i have done. Each is a 12 team league, and have gootten him with the 4.12, 5.07 and 6.1. He did go 2.5 in one of the other leagues, and 5.4 in the other that i didnt get him in.The one he went in the 2nd round was the most recent draft. I guess the preseason is boosting his value a bit.
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I'd love to get Best after round 4, but I may end up taking him at 4.06 if I don't think he'll make it back to me at 5.05. This is a 10 teamer so it seems early to have to take him in the 4th, but with cheatsheets ranking him as high as 35, he's not going to drop that far. The only good thing is that the Detroit homer in our league isn't joining us this year.
Other players I'd really like to get:
Crabtree
Finley
Knox
Dez Bryant
Bradshaw (this one will be tough to get value for because we have some Giants homers)
A. Foster
M. Bush
I'd like to take a chance on guys like D. Bowe and Sims-Walker but only at the right price.
I'm picking out of the 5 spot and I'm seriously considering going RB, RB, RB and then filling in my WRs with guys like those above. We started using a flex this year, so we can start 3 RBs in a non-PPR league, so I'd love to get someone like Gore in round 1, Matthews in round 2, and maybe S. Greene in round 3. I'm a little nervous with Greene that he'll lose 3rd down and goalline opportunities to LT though, so I may opt to go top WR available in round 3, then take Best in round 4 or 5 for my RB Flex. I'll then hope to get someone like Rivers or Cutler in round 5 or 6.
Other players I'd really like to get:
Crabtree
Finley
Knox
Dez Bryant
Bradshaw (this one will be tough to get value for because we have some Giants homers)
A. Foster
M. Bush
I'd like to take a chance on guys like D. Bowe and Sims-Walker but only at the right price.
I'm picking out of the 5 spot and I'm seriously considering going RB, RB, RB and then filling in my WRs with guys like those above. We started using a flex this year, so we can start 3 RBs in a non-PPR league, so I'd love to get someone like Gore in round 1, Matthews in round 2, and maybe S. Greene in round 3. I'm a little nervous with Greene that he'll lose 3rd down and goalline opportunities to LT though, so I may opt to go top WR available in round 3, then take Best in round 4 or 5 for my RB Flex. I'll then hope to get someone like Rivers or Cutler in round 5 or 6.
Take WR's at 5 and 6 and wait on any of the ollwoing pair of QB's in rounds 7-12:Eli ManningMatt RyanBrett FavreKevin KolbJoe FlaccoBen RoethlisbergerStafford or Palmer woudnt be bad number 2's with one of those guys either.Either way, dont take Rivers or Cutler in the 5th/6th, they arent much better, if any than the guys on this list. Waiting until the 7th/8th rounds for one or both of your top WR's is a bad idea...IMO.
Well, there were a couple of different scenarios in there. If I took Greene in round 3, then I'd take my top WR in round 4. If I waited to take Best in the 4th or 5th, then I'd be taking my first WR in round 3. Then, depending on whether I got Best with a 4th or 5th, or Rivers with a 5th or 6th, I'd slide my second receiver in during the 4-6th rounds. So, it's not like I'd be waiting until round 7-8 for my top 2 WRs. I'd have a top two by round 6, and then I'd back that up with my must haves like Crabtree, Sims-Walker, Knox, etc. Any one of those guys will be a suitable match-up start, flex player or bye week cover. I'm not sure I'm crazy about the QBBC by committee idea. The idea that I have to pick the right match-up each week isn't as enticing as plugging in Rivers and being done with it. I really think he has a chance to perform as a top 5 QB. His QB efficiency, TD ratio, schedule, etc. all point upwards. The only knock against Rivers is his number of attempts. So, hopefully, Turner will let him air it out a couple more times a game with another year of experience and a rookie as a starting RB.
Easy Money
Footballguy
A. Bradshaw for sure.
D. Mason also. Flacco looks like the real deal and I think Mason will pay fantasy bills as my number 3/4 reciever this year.
D. Mason also. Flacco looks like the real deal and I think Mason will pay fantasy bills as my number 3/4 reciever this year.
There's only one guy that I absolutely have to have on every single one of my teams this year and it's Mike Williams. I usually try to go for value and normally play the safe route with my picks, but I'm making an exception for this guy this year and will take him a full round or possibly two ahead of where I "think" he should be drafted, especially in dynasty leagues.
I like Williams too, but i like Stroughter just as much, and he can be had with the last pick of the draft.
I agree on Michael Bush and Crabtree too. I forgot to mention them because I already have them as keepers because I drafted them late last year.
wiersface
Footballguy
Legedu NaaNee- Vincent Jackson's situation hasn't gotten any better and Floyd IMO is just terrible. He is my number one sleeper.
James Jones- Drivers career is nearing the end and two knee surgeries is the dark cloud on the horizon, Jones is the best talent for the job if Driver starts to fall apart.
Michael Bush- Is a better nfl tailback than Mcfadden and the coaching staff is going to fully realize that or Mcfadden is just gonna be hurt and he is gonna get the rock anyway, i think Bush may be a candidate to have 250 carries.
C.J. Spiller- He may climb into the 4th round by some peoples draft day but I've been getting him in the 6th usually in 12 team ppr mocks. He's my pick for offensive rookie of the year.
James Jones- Drivers career is nearing the end and two knee surgeries is the dark cloud on the horizon, Jones is the best talent for the job if Driver starts to fall apart.
Michael Bush- Is a better nfl tailback than Mcfadden and the coaching staff is going to fully realize that or Mcfadden is just gonna be hurt and he is gonna get the rock anyway, i think Bush may be a candidate to have 250 carries.
C.J. Spiller- He may climb into the 4th round by some peoples draft day but I've been getting him in the 6th usually in 12 team ppr mocks. He's my pick for offensive rookie of the year.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Pierre Garcon is the first player that came to my mind. He has huge upside and I'll be looking to draft him in all of my leagues.
People expecting to see Jahvid Best in round 4 or later should have a plan B available because I think this is going to change if it hasn't already.
People expecting to see Jahvid Best in round 4 or later should have a plan B available because I think this is going to change if it hasn't already.
Zackattack
Footballguy
Finley in the 5th. This guy is gonna be the #1 reciever for the Packers. He will likely out produce Jennings. I am looking for a few Rodgers-Finley connections this year on a few squads.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
great stuff! I agree 100% on Garcon, he's flying WAAAAY under the radar screen .he's about to take that quantum leap to becoming a top WR...he is about to supplant RW as the Colts' #1 guy, ala RW did to Marvin, as you've stated!
agree with Cutler, if they can just get their O-line in shape, he got killed over the weekend, 5 first half sacks? oof..
I'll add:
Steve Smith, NY - Giants will pass the ball even more this season...Nicks is a not quite there just yet...the running game is going to be marginally better than 2009, but the defense looks like it's still going to be the weak link, and that means more passing to play catch-up with opposing teams..
Kolb - the guy is about to give us a 4000 yard, 28-30 TD season..
Ryan Grant - no competition from Packers' #2 RB - Grant is a lock for double digit Tds and 1200+ yards rushing...
maybe even MORE if the Packer's offense is as good in reg season as it has been in preseason - they look unstoppable..
Raiders' defense - that front 7 looks dominant - they might lead the league in sacks... I think the Raiders have a sleeper fantasy defense that will produce at a high level..every year, a team comes out of nowhere...maybe it's the Raiders' turn??
Michael Bush - for reasons others have stated here...he's probably good for 275 carries..
Tom Brady - with all of this Jets talk, it seems the Pats are flying under the radar screen..if their defensive secondary is as bad as it was last season, Brady will need to throw a boatload of TD's to keep the Pats competitive..new TE options have the Pats' offense looking sharp..
Mike Wallace
Gaffney
J. Charles - Weiss will run him ragged...
Ryan Mathews - willing to overspend for him ...I think he produces top 5 RB numbers but is a 2nd/3rd round pick.fantasy gold relative to avg draft position!
salmonstud
Footballguy
RB's
Harrison - has a good chance to retain the starting job in Cleveland this year - good value where he will go.
Jacobs/Bradshaw - draft both if you can - if one goes down the other will put up stellar numbers.
A.Foster could be excellent if he can get the lion share of the touches in Houston. Would like him as my #3 or #4 RB.
WR's
T.O. - always behaves himself for 1 year - will outperform "08" this year.
Hines Ward - will once again be good value where he will go in PPR leagues. Great #2 WR.
Crabtree - might go too early for my liking - but due to injury & no preseason hype - could slip to being good value.
TE's
Gresham - Rookie that I love as a #2 TE this year - with allot of upside. Looks impressive in preseason action.
Heath Miller - No S.Holme & Ward getting another year older - should be another value play in 2010.
D.Owens - Can be had fairly late and has elite TE potential if healthy.
Harrison - has a good chance to retain the starting job in Cleveland this year - good value where he will go.
Jacobs/Bradshaw - draft both if you can - if one goes down the other will put up stellar numbers.
A.Foster could be excellent if he can get the lion share of the touches in Houston. Would like him as my #3 or #4 RB.
WR's
T.O. - always behaves himself for 1 year - will outperform "08" this year.
Hines Ward - will once again be good value where he will go in PPR leagues. Great #2 WR.
Crabtree - might go too early for my liking - but due to injury & no preseason hype - could slip to being good value.
TE's
Gresham - Rookie that I love as a #2 TE this year - with allot of upside. Looks impressive in preseason action.
Heath Miller - No S.Holme & Ward getting another year older - should be another value play in 2010.
D.Owens - Can be had fairly late and has elite TE potential if healthy.
Here are mine:
Fragile Fred Taylor - After the last preseason game, I have no reason to believe he isn't the starter there ahead of the other backs. He looks crisp running the ball, and had some nice blocking. you can get him in the last round no matter how deep your leauge is. If I am wrong, you have someone to drop after the week one games to go after that WR that looked good. If I am right, you have a RB that could be a solid #3 (until he gets hurt).
TO - He had a decent year with Edwards throwing the ball and double coverage. He plays the short passes WAY better the ocho, and Palmer still struggles with the deep ball. He will be a solid #2. I know he is getting old, but he sure doesn't appear old when I watch him on the field.
Portis - He has burned me several times, but finally his ADP is low enough that there is no way he under performs where he is being taken. McNabb is going to help that running game. Larry looked like the slower, weaker back and is no challenge. Betts is gone, and Willie and LJ appear done.
Aaron Hernandez (shhhhhh...Finley potential really LATE). Line these two guys up, and every reason you give why Finley will be the man this year applies to Aaron. Other then the performance of a few late season games last year, they are identical. I am not saying either one will be the #1 TE, I am just saying they both appear to have the same risk/reward, and one is the 3rd TE taken in the 5th round, the other is there with your last pick.
Ben Rothlisberger - Bench him for 4 games (it won't be 6), and you have a Top 5 QB as your back up right when your starter is looking at his BYE week. You never start your backup until at least week 4 anyway. Even if your starter sucks, you don't realize it until week 4 and give up on him.
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Since the Aaron mention caused a stir, I would add some addional input. I am not making a case that he will be a top 5 TE, I am simply saying that he shares a similar risk reward as Finley. Arguing that Brady doesn't throw to TE's isn't all that relevant when you consider that Aaron had Finley on his team the first half of the season and didn't throw to him either. I am just pointing out that the value of Finely is already baked in when he is the 3rd TE off the board. He better finish top 5 because you paid top 5 for him. Hernandez is all upside no cost baked in. He is getting targeted A TON in preseason. Bottom line, the stats, forums, articles can all be opposing, but when it comes right down to it, I trust what I see. I see a beast of a TE looking very impressive in a Patriot offense that appears to have changed a lot and is looking at the TE a lot more, all that equates to the subject of this thread about players you have to have on your team. Unless Daniels drops into the 11th round, I will have Aaron on every team as my last pick or two.
Fragile Fred Taylor - After the last preseason game, I have no reason to believe he isn't the starter there ahead of the other backs. He looks crisp running the ball, and had some nice blocking. you can get him in the last round no matter how deep your leauge is. If I am wrong, you have someone to drop after the week one games to go after that WR that looked good. If I am right, you have a RB that could be a solid #3 (until he gets hurt).
TO - He had a decent year with Edwards throwing the ball and double coverage. He plays the short passes WAY better the ocho, and Palmer still struggles with the deep ball. He will be a solid #2. I know he is getting old, but he sure doesn't appear old when I watch him on the field.
Portis - He has burned me several times, but finally his ADP is low enough that there is no way he under performs where he is being taken. McNabb is going to help that running game. Larry looked like the slower, weaker back and is no challenge. Betts is gone, and Willie and LJ appear done.
Aaron Hernandez (shhhhhh...Finley potential really LATE). Line these two guys up, and every reason you give why Finley will be the man this year applies to Aaron. Other then the performance of a few late season games last year, they are identical. I am not saying either one will be the #1 TE, I am just saying they both appear to have the same risk/reward, and one is the 3rd TE taken in the 5th round, the other is there with your last pick.
Ben Rothlisberger - Bench him for 4 games (it won't be 6), and you have a Top 5 QB as your back up right when your starter is looking at his BYE week. You never start your backup until at least week 4 anyway. Even if your starter sucks, you don't realize it until week 4 and give up on him.
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Since the Aaron mention caused a stir, I would add some addional input. I am not making a case that he will be a top 5 TE, I am simply saying that he shares a similar risk reward as Finley. Arguing that Brady doesn't throw to TE's isn't all that relevant when you consider that Aaron had Finley on his team the first half of the season and didn't throw to him either. I am just pointing out that the value of Finely is already baked in when he is the 3rd TE off the board. He better finish top 5 because you paid top 5 for him. Hernandez is all upside no cost baked in. He is getting targeted A TON in preseason. Bottom line, the stats, forums, articles can all be opposing, but when it comes right down to it, I trust what I see. I see a beast of a TE looking very impressive in a Patriot offense that appears to have changed a lot and is looking at the TE a lot more, all that equates to the subject of this thread about players you have to have on your team. Unless Daniels drops into the 11th round, I will have Aaron on every team as my last pick or two.
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Wow, you're crazy. What's the best TE year a Patriot has EVER put up? How about in the past 10 years?ETA: I'll answer my own questions after a little digging. Ben Watson '06: 50/657/3 and on the 'ever' question, Ben Coates put up some good numbers '94-'97, the best of which was 96/1174/7 in '94. Finley owners are definitely hoping for at least that type of season. The Pats offense is just not going to produce a 1K receiver out of the TE spot. No way. Not saying Hernandez is not good value, I think he is, but because he will get 600+ yards not because he will get 1K+ yards...
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It's because Brady doesnt target his TE. Will Hernandez get more targets because he's a better receiver than he's had in the past? Probably. Will he get anywhere near as many targets as Finley? No way in hell.
Maybe not the best example . . .
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Aaron Hernandez to be quite honest. I think he's a top 12 TE this season. And he can be had for a pittance.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, people forget there was football before Y2K sometimes.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Brady has never had a TE worthy of significant targets.TWP said:
skillz
Footballguy
To me, all the buzz around Hernandez is eerily similar to when Welker arrived a few years ago. Hernandez presents an opportunity to get a player with tons of upside for a bargain price. Pats seem to have drafted him with the intention of creating a specific role in the offense to plug him into that they never previously had the personnel for. Sounds very much like when they traded for Welker and began to use him on the shorter underneath rounds where he could get YAC. People were able to get Welker dirt cheap in drafts that year too and really made out.
Ben Watson is a good receiver. Towards the end of his Pats career he wasnt playing well, but you really can't claim that he was not worthy of significant targets, period.
Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
Did I say Knox?
To me this buzz is more similar to the buzz for Ben Watson after Graham went to Denver, or to Graham before that. The Pats always have some buzz around their TE and it is usually overhyped. It's not a question of talent; the last time they used the TE enough to be fantasy-relevant was in the Coates era under different leadership.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
I love you guys... Here's my draft that completed just before the HOF game... 10 teams, 0.5 PPR, 3 WR. I had a few guys that I really wanted heading into this draft and I got all of them: Rodgers, Welker, Finley, Bush, Raiders, M. Williams.
1.9 Rodgers
2.2 Fitz
3.9 P. Thomas
4.2 Welker
5.9 Harvin
6.2 Finley
7.9 Best - jumped up and called my entire league a bunch of losers when he fell this far
8.2 M. Bush
9.9 Sproles - we reward return yards; he shouldn't have been here
10.2 Z. Miller
11.9 49ers
12.2 Raiders - everyone laughed; but I agree the talent on this defense is amazing
13.9 C. Taylor
14.2 G. Hartley
15.9 M. Williams (Tam) - another jump up and call out the league pick; offensive ROY if Freeman's thumb is ok
This team is very boom or bust, and I'm not expecting a rate my team analysis. I love it and that's all I care about. My point in posting it is that I got my guys with almost every pick and I only had to reach a couple times (Welker, Raiders) to do so.
1.9 Rodgers
2.2 Fitz
3.9 P. Thomas
4.2 Welker
5.9 Harvin
6.2 Finley
7.9 Best - jumped up and called my entire league a bunch of losers when he fell this far
8.2 M. Bush
9.9 Sproles - we reward return yards; he shouldn't have been here
10.2 Z. Miller
11.9 49ers
12.2 Raiders - everyone laughed; but I agree the talent on this defense is amazing
13.9 C. Taylor
14.2 G. Hartley
15.9 M. Williams (Tam) - another jump up and call out the league pick; offensive ROY if Freeman's thumb is ok
This team is very boom or bust, and I'm not expecting a rate my team analysis. I love it and that's all I care about. My point in posting it is that I got my guys with almost every pick and I only had to reach a couple times (Welker, Raiders) to do so.
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
fightingillini
Footballguy
I am going to try and get these guys in every draft possible
QB - Stafford - DET is going to be behind in most games this year, and with the upgrade in weapons, Stafford has a legit chance to put up top 10 QB numbers, at a pretty cheap price.
RB - Michael Bush - his ADP is criminal right now. OAK does a good job runblocking, and McFadden can never stay healthy. With Campbell at QB, Bush should easily get over 1000 yards rushing and 8+ scores.
WR - Jabar Gaffney - someone has to catch the ball in DEN. I don't think Eddie Royal is that good and Demariyus Thomas is going to need a little time........love Gaffney at an ADP of 10.3
WR - Hakeem Nicks - should have a breakout year.
QB - Stafford - DET is going to be behind in most games this year, and with the upgrade in weapons, Stafford has a legit chance to put up top 10 QB numbers, at a pretty cheap price.
RB - Michael Bush - his ADP is criminal right now. OAK does a good job runblocking, and McFadden can never stay healthy. With Campbell at QB, Bush should easily get over 1000 yards rushing and 8+ scores.
WR - Jabar Gaffney - someone has to catch the ball in DEN. I don't think Eddie Royal is that good and Demariyus Thomas is going to need a little time........love Gaffney at an ADP of 10.3
WR - Hakeem Nicks - should have a breakout year.
That Little Voice
Footballguy
Camarillo.
Todem
Footballguy
You are a gambler no doubt...both are super fast and one is brittle and theother is a rookie who has been nicked. Your handle say's it all.Go deep said:
On that note here are a few guys I am going to target in my only redraft (yep I caved in and joined a local 12 team redraft for some fun we draft this Sunday night)1) Donald Driver - Mr. reliable always undervalued2) Ahmad Bradshaw - No question in my mind this teams lead dog in PPR3) Steve Slaton - Bargin basement special.4) CJ Spiller - Superstar in the making right now5) Ronnie Brown - Stays healthy...PPR gold this year high risk/high reward this season (contract year).
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Bowe seems to be the only one of I must haves that I actually get.
I also want one of Maclin and Harvin
I love Bradshaw and MBIII but I miss judge their values and have not be able to get them in any good redrafts.
I also want one of Maclin and Harvin
I love Bradshaw and MBIII but I miss judge their values and have not be able to get them in any good redrafts.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Love the Bears Team D... got them in almost every league. 1st Game is against Det
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Wow, if he is there in the 4th in my 10 team PPR keeper I will take him at 4.07. I am not expecting him to be there at all. I assume all of the above are redraft leagues.nysportsfan said:
Todem
Footballguy
Tha would be Mike Thomas, second year WR from the Jags. He has been compared to Steve Smith of the Panthers.Nice talent, but awful situation. The Jags barely throw the ball as it is. So take that for what it's worth. Nothing more than a WR4 to me at this point and that is a stretch.
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CravenM
Footballguy
(In dynasty league, no PPR)
San Fran D around the 12th
Crabtree around the 6th
Harry Douglas around the 13th
Fred Taylor around the 10th (everybody overlooks him)
Montario Hardesty around the 11th (stash for next year - this year's Browns are a wreck)
Louis Murphy around the 9th (excellent routes and Biletnikoff hands)
Matt Moore late (teams are going to pack the lines to stop the runs and MM can sling it)
San Fran D around the 12th
Crabtree around the 6th
Harry Douglas around the 13th
Fred Taylor around the 10th (everybody overlooks him)
Montario Hardesty around the 11th (stash for next year - this year's Browns are a wreck)
Louis Murphy around the 9th (excellent routes and Biletnikoff hands)
Matt Moore late (teams are going to pack the lines to stop the runs and MM can sling it)
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I like Knox, but his ADP is going up to where I don't think he has as much value. Same with Jahvid Best. I also like Reggie Bush to outperform his ADP significantly. I got Bush for $3 in a $200 cap auction league (with 0.5 ppr) last night -- as I was out for the day, I was briefly worried I had missed some injury news about him.
schooner44
Footballguy
QBs
Palmer--Tons of weapons around him...almost impossible for him to have a bad year (looking for him as backup QB)
RBs
Forte--ADP is way to low for the feature RB in a Martz offense...especially in a ppr league
Portis--He cam into camp in the best shape in the last few years and I can see him benefiting from Shanny's offense plus McNabb at QB
WRs
Santanio Holmes--He would need to fall to 8th round but its worth it even considering he's only playing 12 games this year.
Chris Chambers--Everyone has al;ready forgotten what he did last year after KC picked him up. (I bet SD wishes they still had him with the VJax situation)
Harry Douglas--won't be a top 10 guy but will produce very well for his ADP
TE
Zack Miller--Campbell will use consistently
Palmer--Tons of weapons around him...almost impossible for him to have a bad year (looking for him as backup QB)
RBs
Forte--ADP is way to low for the feature RB in a Martz offense...especially in a ppr league
Portis--He cam into camp in the best shape in the last few years and I can see him benefiting from Shanny's offense plus McNabb at QB
WRs
Santanio Holmes--He would need to fall to 8th round but its worth it even considering he's only playing 12 games this year.
Chris Chambers--Everyone has al;ready forgotten what he did last year after KC picked him up. (I bet SD wishes they still had him with the VJax situation)
Harry Douglas--won't be a top 10 guy but will produce very well for his ADP
TE
Zack Miller--Campbell will use consistently
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Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
Starting to wish I'd said Kolb instead of Cutler.
He's inheriting pretty much the exact offense that seemed to put McNabb on 4500 yard pace every season. The major differences are...
...there's not yet any reason to assume Kolb will miss games every year, so "pace" may actually become meaningful.
...the offense is REALLY ramped up to historic levels right now in terms of receiving talent. Dude has weapons-a-plenty.
...there's not yet any reason to assume Kolb will drive us nuts by throwing so many balls into the turf 2 yards in front of his receivers.
Would it be nuts to think he's a pretty safe bet for Rivers-esque numbers?
He's inheriting pretty much the exact offense that seemed to put McNabb on 4500 yard pace every season. The major differences are...
...there's not yet any reason to assume Kolb will miss games every year, so "pace" may actually become meaningful.
...the offense is REALLY ramped up to historic levels right now in terms of receiving talent. Dude has weapons-a-plenty.
...there's not yet any reason to assume Kolb will drive us nuts by throwing so many balls into the turf 2 yards in front of his receivers.
Would it be nuts to think he's a pretty safe bet for Rivers-esque numbers?
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
I'd like to believe, but the more I see him, the more belief flies out the window.Love his surrounding cast this year, of course, and the team in general seems to be on an upswing. But when I watch Carson the last year + this preseason, I just see a guy whose fastball is totally gone. I just don't believe he has the arm to make the difficult throws any more. And he's going to have to in order to use 85 and TO in any meaningful way.I look for a disappointing campaign, including a whole lot of very frustrating INT's.
He won't put up River type numbers but I can see at least 20 TD's with close to as many interceptions. He still has to go through a learning curve, imo.
Fair enough, my only argument against that would be i dont think Crabtree or Simms-Walker make it past the 6th round, they havnt in any drafts i have done so far.As far as Phillip Rivers, im not sure he is as sure as a thing as you might think. With the Exception of Gates, who does he have to throw to? I think Eli Manning is in for a better 2010, he has very similar talent, is coming of a 4000 yard season and has a very good young trio of WR's.Good luckcjack said:
