Chase Stuart
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Simple question.
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Who do you think is a more talented RB (1 Viewer)
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Do you mean in backup roles? Behind their current O-lines? And do you mean for the future, or just 2008? JK, but probably Turner.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I like Turner, but I think he is about to be exposed in Atlanta for being the slightly above average back that he is.
Nothing too spectacular like some on this board seem to think.
Nothing too spectacular like some on this board seem to think.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
Turner is much more talented. He is bigger, faster, and has shown quite a bit in limited time. Chester is a good player, but he doesn't have the speed/power combination and talent needed to be a long term feature back in the NFL.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Yes, but at the time Taylor and Jordan were pretty hyped too. But probably not as much as Turner has ever been.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Riffraff
Footballguy
I'll agree with this.
JPeso
Footballguy
I don't think he meant that Taylor/Jordan were not hyped, but that we already have seen them not live up to hype, whereas Turner has not had the chance.
Futeki
Footballguy
I never thought much of Jordan or Taylor. They actually outperformed my expectations. Turner, I like. Even if he is a barely above average starter as detractors claim, that is still very good. Jordan and Taylor are marginal starters, if even that. Turner may prove himself to be limited in the same manner, but I would be mildly surprised.
I dont recall Taylor or Jordan as having the homerun threat that Turner has. Turner has something like 3 of the longest runs in Chargers history, and that says a lot considering the guy that starts there now - LT.
Turner has more potential at this point than Taylor or Jordan did when they 1st signed on as starters.
Turner has more potential at this point than Taylor or Jordan did when they 1st signed on as starters.
zamboni
Footballguy
Jordan didn't live up to expectations, but Taylor actually performed very well in 2006 for a severely offensively challenged team. He just had the misfortune that that Mr. Peterson fell to the Vikings in the draft. Obviously the jury is still very much out on Turner...
Brewzers
Footballguy
Yes, that is what I meant. I think most people will choose Turner in this poll, because we haven't seen him perform as the #1 and are buying into the hype. I'm not really sure who is more talented and suspicious of the poll results.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It has been at least a couple years since the Chargers Oline was average. They have one of the best run blocking lines in the league.
Turner has lost most of the advantages he has had that has led to peoples high hopes for him.
Reality check coming.
That being said I definitly think Turner is more talented than Lamont Jordan ever was. And I think he is a bit better as a runner than Chester. He certainly has more speed than Chester does. Hard for me to say Turner is totaly better than Chester however because Taylor is such a well rounded player. Taylor really does everything well.
Turner has lost most of the advantages he has had that has led to peoples high hopes for him.
Reality check coming.
That being said I definitly think Turner is more talented than Lamont Jordan ever was. And I think he is a bit better as a runner than Chester. He certainly has more speed than Chester does. Hard for me to say Turner is totaly better than Chester however because Taylor is such a well rounded player. Taylor really does everything well.
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, because SD's wasn't good enough...I'd give the edge to Taylor, slightly. He has managed to put up a 4.0 YPA for a full season on a poor team and in the lead RB role. Last year he put up 5.4. Furthermore, Taylor has managed over 4.0 YPA in each of his last 5 seasons. Unlike Turner, Taylor actually ran the ball well more than 100 times in each of the last 4 seasons. So the sample size is far greater and reliable. Neither guy would start over Peterson. Turner can prove his worth this year, but I don't see him as anything more than an average starting RB at best. I'd say that Taylor has proven his is at least that. I'll take that certainty over the hyped potential of Turner.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
The only season SD has had an above average OL since Fouts was in '06.
jurb26
Footballguy
Looking at just this thread I don't think yo will find a lot of people who would agree with that. They have been very good at run blocking for a few years now.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Are there any backs that you think would look really good in ATL this season?Some people may answer Peterson but it's funny how all those Peterson fans sound eerily similar to the LJ fans from a year or two ago that felt any projection of 1500/15 was an insult to his immense talent.... right up until his OL fell apart.I can't think of a single RB I think would look good in ATL this year.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I assume some of those are the same people that think Marcus McNeil had a great year last year because he made the pro-bowl for the 2nd time in a row. Charger fans that actually watched the games will tell you that McNeil '07 << McNeil '06 and the same holds true for the entire unit. When SD was struggling I'd say the #1 reason was their OL(#2 S's). They played well in INDY in the playoffs and a lot of people think that's representative of how they played all year long. It's not. Before '06 how many Charger OL'men can you name?
jurb26
Footballguy
I'd say they have performed well in run blocking since roughly 2004. Hardwick and Olivea seem to stand out in my memory. Of course Neal certainly helped a great deal at FB. Hasn't most of this Oline pretty much been together since 2004/2005 with only McNeil being added? I know that those 2 guys I mentioned have been there for a while. I thought the whole right side had been there for quite some time but I have to admit I don't know who the RG is.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
The right side of the line has been considered the weakness of the line for the past two seasons. I actually liked Olivea more than most Charger fans, in fact I can't think of another Charger fan that wasn't happy to see him released at the ripe old age of 27. In '06(the one year I said the line played very well) was the only time Hardwick has been a probowler. The RG you were searching for is Goff who has been mediocre his entire career. Never sniffed a probowl. In '04 on the left side they had Fonoti(a guy who I liked but hasn't been able to even keep a gig in the NFL) and Oben who was 32 and never sniffed a probowl in his career.I've always felt it was amazing Tomlinson performed like he did with so few quality lineman in front of him. Before that one good OL in '06 Tomlinson never had a single pro bowler up front blocking for him.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Taylor is a good all around RB.
Turner on the other hand, has the size, speed and quickenss that the game breaking RB's have. He is one of the more gifted RB's with the ball in his hands due to his break away speed and ability to break tackles and run with power. It is a unique mix and if/when translated into his game now as the every down back it will be very apparent that he is much more talented than Taylor.
Turner on the other hand, has the size, speed and quickenss that the game breaking RB's have. He is one of the more gifted RB's with the ball in his hands due to his break away speed and ability to break tackles and run with power. It is a unique mix and if/when translated into his game now as the every down back it will be very apparent that he is much more talented than Taylor.
mdog1967
Footballguy
As a Turner owner in one league and fan I hope he does well in Atlanta, but I would not go out in any of the Leagues where I don't own him yet and break the bank to acquire him. I think he is a talent and I also think that many of us (myself included) have set the bar too high and pimped him too much. If he does reasonably well this year - say 1200 yds rushing, 300-400 yards receiving and 10 total TD's then I will be feel vindicated for trading for him last year. If he struggles ?, roll the dice, sometimes it just don't work out. I'm not going to blame anyone at this point for being skeptical until Turner shows us what he's got. If your in a dynasty league trading your first round pick away for Turner is IMHO is a safer bet than hoping that the Rookie you select turns out to be for real.
Banger
Footballguy
Reviews from the past few years from the FBG archives...2006 San Diego ChargersGrade: CWith Roman Oben still not ready to play with a troublesome foot injury and Leander Jordan having a slight groin injury, rookie Marcus McNeill found himself working with the starting unit and hasn't looked out of place. McNeill is a very talented player who is plagued with a degenerative back problem that could limit his effectiveness as a pro. Still he has a shot to see some playing time this season if Oben cannot play. Scott Mruczkowski is expected to be the backup center but he was hurt and carted off the practice field. Haven't heard too much about his injury yet but perhaps telling is the Chargers going out and signing veteran Cory Withrow to a 1-year deal.2005 San Diego ChargersOverall Grade: BRun Block Pass Block DepthB B B+Cohesion Experience Change from '04B B B2004: 6th in rushing (2,185 yards), 14th in YPC (4.2), 4th in sacks allowed (20), 4th in PA / Sack (22.5 PA / Sack)New Additions: NoneKey Losses: NoneProjected Starting Lineup: C-Nick Hardwick; G-Toniu Fonoti; G-Mike Goff; T-Roman Oben; T-Shane OliveaKey Backups: G Bob Hallen; T Courtney Van Buren; T Leander Jordan; T Wesley Britt [r]; G Wes Sims [r]Update August 4th - Kevin Acee of the Union-Tribune reports that Offensive lineman Courtney VanBuren's comeback this season has hit a snag for at least the next two weeks. Tests indicated he has a sprained right knee, and while it is seen as a positive that the injury is not more severe, VanBuren is falling behind. "It's a setback for him," Schottenheimer said. "He needs to get out there in the next couple weeks, that's for certain." VanBuren missed the final 15 games last season after ACL surgery on his right knee.2004 San Diego ChargersVeteran Roman Oben takes over at left tacke after coming over from Tampa Bay. He's easily the most experienced member of this unit. The jury is still out on last year's 2nd rounder right guard Toniu Fonoti and the line has a lot of turnover without any definite upgrade in talent outside of Oben. If it weren't for Oben, the chargers off-season would be considered a disaster for the line. Regardless, the run blocking could be acceptable. But now you know why Eli Manning didn't want anything to do with MartyBall or the Chargers mess of an offensive line.Grade: D-The rep of the line had more to do with LT than it did with being a good line.jurb26 said:
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I watched the SD OL all year and I do not think they ran blocked well last year. They were not the worst in the league, but at times they made LT look like Cedric Benson and that is hard to do. They were not solid last year.BoltBacker said:
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
So the majority of people have voted Turner, yet there seem to be way more people worried about Chestor Taylor eating into Peterson's carries this year than I ever heard about Turner eating into Tomlinson's carries. It can't be because Tomlinson's so much more talented than Peterson, because that's simply not true. So what's the reason?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I think it is due to the amount of touches Taylor actually received last season:Taylor's total touches: 186Peterson's total touches: 257Turner's total touches: 87Tomlinson: 375Taylor was twice as active in Minny's offense as Turner was in the Charger's offense. This could have been a coaching decision to keep Peterson fresh and break him in druning his rookie year, or to keep Taylor active as he had very productive games etc.I think Peterson will be close to 300 total touches this season, but I can see why some people fear Taylor may cut into some of that production.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Well sure, but that was last year.This year, we know Peterson's a whole lot more talented than we did this time last year.
Banger
Footballguy
The coach and his philosophy as well as the fact that AP has already missed more time in one season than LT has in his career due to injuries.
The Ref
Footballguy
Well Played Sir......
Yitbos69
Footballguy
I don't think last year will repeat itself in Minn. Taylor was the starter at the beginning of the season and it took the coaching staff a lot longer than most causal fans to realize ADP needed to be on the field as much as possible. When he did start getting the lions share he got injured......If ADP stays healthy I think we will see a huge drop in Taylor's carries in 2008.
switz
Footballguy
Maybe it's due to the fact that Peterson has shown a propensity for injury, and that Peterson's coaches have shown a propensity for using both RBs extensively.Or maybe it's because Turner came to the Chargers AFTER LT was established as the starter, whereas Peterson came to MIN AFTER Taylor was established as the starter.
It's presumable that the guy who was the starter and is still on the team likely will see a number of carries, even if he is not the starter anymore. I can't think of a single situation in history where a guy came in and beat out the starter where the starter wasn't given walking papers the following season. The Vikes must plan on using both RBs.
And... there was quite a bit of talk prior to last year about how Turner would cut into Tomlinson's touches quite a bit since the Chargers kept him. While the Taylor situation MAY play out the same way the Turner situation did, the amount of worry going on now is consistent with the situation the Vikes currently find themselves in.
gregjcross
Footballguy
I see A JAX situation in MIN with their O-line and commitment to the ground game. ADP is absolutely the headliner and gets 65%-70% of the carries, but Chester still being used each quarter -- being productive when he does.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Wow, I think Chase posts some great stuff but this is borderline fishing.- Tomlinson is a first ballot HOF'er lock. Peterson(even if he's approaching LJ-type hype) has played half a season.- As has been pointed out above Tomlinson has done a lot of damage early in his career behind a pretty bad line and didn't have a single pro-bowler in front of him before '06. Even Barry Sanders had more probowler blocking for him than Tomlinson. That's a stark contrast to the OL that has blocked for Peterson in half a season.- As other people are pointing out Tomlinson has a pretty good track record for playing through injuries. Verdict is still out on Peterson. And other posters have pointed out coaching philosophy.- I just have to say it again... how long ago was it? A year ago or two that the shark pool was convinced that LJ was some sort of cyborg that was a lock for 2000/20(again, based on half a season) and yeah, sure his OL was a part of it but even it started to decline.... HE'S JUST THE MAN! Eerily similar imo. You put Peterson in ATL and he'll still be a very good RB but all you have to do is look at LJ and realize that even a very good RB can look very mediocre in an awful offense.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Interesting.So do we believe Turner will have the bust-out year that Jordan (1590/11) and Taylor (1500/6) had with their new teams and then fade?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I am with Boltbacker, I am not putting Peterson in the class of LT2 yet. The vision isn't there yet and even behind such a great line Peterson didn't finish the year off well. In his final 4 games he had a YPC of 2.67. Now I am not saying he is a bum, but let's relax on the comps to LT2 as Peterson isn't in his class at catching the ball, showing vision and showing reliability yet. Does he have ability, absolutely, but using the comp between two of them to compare Turner and Taylor is a bit of a reach IMO.
