Who has a better chance at winning Coach of the Year? (1 Viewer)

[fred_1_15301]

We clearly followed different prognosticators. 
either way, they didn’t outperform nearly as much as some others, if at all. 
 

I wasn’t fishing but you’re correct in that their preseason projected win total was 8.5.  I was actually a little surprised by that.   But as the season progressed, it was very clear that this team was not very good.  They have a washed up QB, a horrible offensive line, a bad secondary, bad linebackers and a depleted defensive line.  Outside of Watt, it was ugly.  And this trend started 2nd half of last year around the time of the Dupree injury.  I guess watching this team week in and week out and seeing the lack of talent on both sides of the ball makes me wonder how they got to the playoffs.  But I’m a homer and can admit some hyperbole on my part.  I believe this has been one of Tomlin’s best years.

 

[jm192]

I wasn’t fishing but you’re correct in that their preseason projected win total was 8.5.  I was actually a little surprised by that.   But as the season progressed, it was very clear that this team was not very good.  They have a washed up QB, a horrible offensive line, a bad secondary, bad linebackers and a depleted defensive line.  Outside of Watt, it was ugly.  And this trend started 2nd half of last year around the time of the Dupree injury.  I guess watching this team week in and week out and seeing the lack of talent on both sides of the ball makes me wonder how they got to the playoffs.  But I’m a homer and can admit some hyperbole on my part.  I believe this has been one of Tomlin’s best years.

This comes down to simply the fact that a 7th spot now exists.  Being 7th best misses the playoffs every year prior to this.

 

[-OZ-]

I wasn’t fishing but you’re correct in that their preseason projected win total was 8.5.  I was actually a little surprised by that.   But as the season progressed, it was very clear that this team was not very good.  They have a washed up QB, a horrible offensive line, a bad secondary, bad linebackers and a depleted defensive line.  Outside of Watt, it was ugly.  And this trend started 2nd half of last year around the time of the Dupree injury.  I guess watching this team week in and week out and seeing the lack of talent on both sides of the ball makes me wonder how they got to the playoffs.  But I’m a homer and can admit some hyperbole on my part.  I believe this has been one of Tomlin’s best years.

All that probably gives some fodder for Najee as OROY, although he probably still loses to chase and mac. 
A couple of the projected wins probably were just because of Tomlin in the first place. 

 

[Tanner9919]

IMO the only coach of the year candidate is Bill Bellichick. quick..name  5 players on that team.hurry.fact is,  you probably can't . no name defense, no name offense.rookie QB. no name WRs, lesser RBs, no name TE. and they were one win away from taking the AFC East. 

this is the first season I can remember where the number of head coaches with little or no playoff experience outweighs those with the experience. Az, Raiders, Cincy, Bills ( he's coached how many playoff games??), Eagles.who am I missing? 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats make it to the championship game. BB has Reid's playoff mojo. he spanked Tenn a few weeks ago. he beat the snot out of Buffalo just a few weeks ago.. the list goes on. 

Raiders story is Lifetime TV material. hallmark Christmas card type stuff. but that guy doesn't deserve to be the COTY. 

doing as much as he has, with the little talent on the roster, BB deserves to be the COTY and there's really no other choice.

I'm not a BB fan but he coached his ### off this season probably one of his best efforts in his HOF career.

 

[Joe Schmo]

IMO the only coach of the year candidate is Bill Bellichick. quick..name  5 players on that team.hurry.fact is,  you probably can't . no name defense, no name offense.rookie QB. no name WRs, lesser RBs, no name TE. and they were one win away from taking the AFC East. 

this is the first season I can remember where the number of head coaches with little or no playoff experience outweighs those with the experience. Az, Raiders, Cincy, Bills ( he's coached how many playoff games??), Eagles.who am I missing? 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats make it to the championship game. BB has Reid's playoff mojo. he spanked Tenn a few weeks ago. he beat the snot out of Buffalo just a few weeks ago.. the list goes on. 

Raiders story is Lifetime TV material. hallmark Christmas card type stuff. but that guy doesn't deserve to be the COTY. 

doing as much as he has, with the little talent on the roster, BB deserves to be the COTY and there's really no other choice.

I'm not a BB fan but he coached his ### off this season probably one of his best efforts in his HOF career.

The Patriots are 10-7 and a number 6 seed and lost the final game of the season to a weak armed qb and a dead man walking coach. The same team that defeated them in week one. BB is a great coach but no way coach of the year this season.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

IMO the only coach of the year candidate is Bill Bellichick. quick..name  5 players on that team.hurry.fact is,  you probably can't . no name defense, no name offense.rookie QB. no name WRs, lesser RBs, no name TE. and they were one win away from taking the AFC East. 

this is the first season I can remember where the number of head coaches with little or no playoff experience outweighs those with the experience. Az, Raiders, Cincy, Bills ( he's coached how many playoff games??), Eagles.who am I missing? 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats make it to the championship game. BB has Reid's playoff mojo. he spanked Tenn a few weeks ago. he beat the snot out of Buffalo just a few weeks ago.. the list goes on. 

Raiders story is Lifetime TV material. hallmark Christmas card type stuff. but that guy doesn't deserve to be the COTY. 

doing as much as he has, with the little talent on the roster, BB deserves to be the COTY and there's really no other choice.

I'm not a BB fan but he coached his ### off this season probably one of his best efforts in his HOF career.

To be fair, BB is probably the coach of the year every year. 

I can name 5 players but not many more than that but I don’t watch the AFC very much and certainly not their division. 
 

With all that said, this wasn’t one of his best years. It’s going to Vrabel IMO. 

 

[TwinTurbo]

IMO the only coach of the year candidate is Bill Bellichick. quick..name  5 players on that team.hurry.fact is,  you probably can't . no name defense, no name offense.rookie QB. no name WRs, lesser RBs, no name TE. and they were one win away from taking the AFC East. 

this is the first season I can remember where the number of head coaches with little or no playoff experience outweighs those with the experience. Az, Raiders, Cincy, Bills ( he's coached how many playoff games??), Eagles.who am I missing? 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats make it to the championship game. BB has Reid's playoff mojo. he spanked Tenn a few weeks ago. he beat the snot out of Buffalo just a few weeks ago.. the list goes on. 

Raiders story is Lifetime TV material. hallmark Christmas card type stuff. but that guy doesn't deserve to be the COTY. 

doing as much as he has, with the little talent on the roster, BB deserves to be the COTY and there's really no other choice.

I'm not a BB fan but he coached his ### off this season probably one of his best efforts in his HOF career.

Yes they went 10-7 but 8 of those wins were against teams that missed the playoffs. While the Pats were not as talented this season, some of their opponents were historically bad. I think it's been particularly tough to determine how good some of these playoff teams really are including the Pats because most of this season has been a bunch of mediocre teams beating up bad teams and occasionally losing as well due to so many injuries and covid stuff. There isn't really a single dominant team. This should be a really interesting post-season. 

 

[babydemon90]

This Titans fan would vote for 1. Reich, 2. Taylor, 3. Vrabel. 
BB probably deserves it too. 

Man it's wild how that Colts collapse was the past two game.  Dude went from being mentioned as coach of the year two weeks ago to people openly questioning his job.

 

[-OZ-]

Man it's wild how that Colts collapse was the past two game.  Dude went from being mentioned as coach of the year two weeks ago to people openly questioning his job.

Yep. Funny how that can happen in a playoff race. Losing to the raiders might actually be okay. But that showing against the Jags is downright embarrassing. 

 

[-OZ-]

IMO the only coach of the year candidate is Bill Bellichick. quick..name  5 players on that team.hurry.fact is,  you probably can't . no name defense, no name offense.rookie QB. no name WRs, lesser RBs, no name TE. and they were one win away from taking the AFC East. 

this is the first season I can remember where the number of head coaches with little or no playoff experience outweighs those with the experience. Az, Raiders, Cincy, Bills ( he's coached how many playoff games??), Eagles.who am I missing? 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats make it to the championship game. BB has Reid's playoff mojo. he spanked Tenn a few weeks ago. he beat the snot out of Buffalo just a few weeks ago.. the list goes on. 

Raiders story is Lifetime TV material. hallmark Christmas card type stuff. but that guy doesn't deserve to be the COTY. 

doing as much as he has, with the little talent on the roster, BB deserves to be the COTY and there's really no other choice.

I'm not a BB fan but he coached his ### off this season probably one of his best efforts in his HOF career.

BB and saban (knock on wood) are so far ahead of everyone else it isn’t funny. Others might get a game or two but those guys are on another level. 
But come on man. Mac, Damien, Meyers, jonnu, Hunter, van noy, Judon… 

what he does better than anyone else is find players to fit his system. The surprising thing is how poorly they’ve drafted high. seriously, if you didn’t know the team and just looked at the draft list, one would reasonably think they’re a bottom dweller. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
Many of the guys who have been studs in NE might not have done that anywhere else. Welker and Edelman for sure. Gronk probably would have been great anywhere, Brady probably too but who knows really? 

 

[-OZ-]

It’s going to Vrabel IMO. 

One of the best things about MV, he’s not from the BB coaching tree but you gotta think he’s been influenced by him. 

 

[menobrown]

 It’s going to Vrabel IMO. 

Easily and deservedly so.

 

[styleride85]

It's a 3 man race and no one else even comes close.

Zac Taylor (Cincinnati)+175
Matt Lafleur (Green Bay)+195
Mike Vrabel (Tennessee)+240

 

[styleride85]

This award is almost always given out to the playoff team that has the most wins vs their preseason projections.  Here's the playoff teams that hit over on their expected wins:

Cinci +3.5
Packers +3
Titans +3

Dallas +3 (can't see mccarthy getting it)
Vegas +3 (too low of a seed)
Eagles +2.5
Arizona +2.5
Rams +1.5
Bucs +1
Pit +1
Pats +0.5

I'd be surprised if anyone outside of those top 3 even gets a vote.  Pick your poison though, all three of those coaches are deserving.  I give Taylor the nod since he outperformed his team's expectations the most.

Those discussing things like overcoming injuries, talent they had, schedule, etc.... those are great and all, and very relevant in real life, but hardly relative at all in terms of voting for this.


 

 

[BladeRunner]

Did someone suggest in here that Bill Belichick should win this award?

 

[travdogg]

This award is almost always given out to the playoff team that has the most wins vs their preseason projections.  Here's the playoff teams that hit over on their expected wins:

Cinci +3.5
Packers +3
Titans +3

Dallas +3 (can't see mccarthy getting it)
Vegas +3 (too low of a seed)
Eagles +2.5
Arizona +2.5
Rams +1.5
Bucs +1
Pit +1
Pats +0.5

I'd be surprised if anyone outside of those top 3 even gets a vote.  Pick your poison though, all three of those coaches are deserving.  I give Taylor the nod since he outperformed his team's expectations the most.

Those discussing things like overcoming injuries, talent they had, schedule, etc.... those are great and all, and very relevant in real life, but hardly relative at all in terms of voting for this.

I'd really be against Taylor getting it. Often it feels like the Bengals are winning in spite of him. I think the Bengals have the talent to win the AFC, if they don't the most likely reason is because Vrabel, Reid, McDermott, or Tomlin(if they somehow advance) simply outcoach him. 

I like LaFleur personally, I think its silly to punish him for having Rodgers, especially since Rodgers play has substantially improved since his arrival. They also were missing multiple all-pros for most of the season. 

ETA: I think LaFleur deserves COTY more than Rodgers deserves MVP(I've come around to Brady)

 

[styleride85]

Did someone suggest in here that Bill Belichick should win this award?

I'm sure they did.  What's your point?  The voting was already done before today's game, so that has zero influence on it.

 

[styleride85]

I'd really be against


Taylor


getting it. Often it feels like the Bengals are winning in spite of him. I think the Bengals have the talent to win the AFC, if they don't the most likely reason is because Vrabel, Reid, McDermott, or Tomlin(if they somehow advance) simply outcoach him. 

I like LaFleur personally, I think its silly to punish him for having


Rodgers


, especially since


Rodgers


play has substantially improved since his arrival. They also were missing multiple all-pros for most of the season. 

ETA: I think LaFleur deserves COTY more than


Rodgers


deserves MVP(I've come around to


Brady


)

Yes you have good points about LaFleur.  But the cinci turnaround was huge, and that goes a LONG way for this award.  It's really a two man race and pretty much 50/50 between Taylor and LaFleur.  Vrabel will get a few votes though.

 

[BladeRunner]

I'm sure they did.  What's your point?  The voting was already done before today's game, so that has zero influence on it.

Just sayin'. 

 

[styleride85]

Just sayin'. 

he could have called his qb to kneel on every play yesterday and it wouldn't affect this award though.

 

[dickey moe]

Vrabel for me

#1 seed with nfl record for amount of players used in a season due to injuries 

It's funny how almost nobody is talking about the Titans this post-season. 

 

[Bri]

It's gotta be Vrabel.

Most players on a roster ever (injuries) lost a HOF RB and still beat several top teams to get the one seed

 

[themeistersinger]

BB and saban (knock on wood) are so far ahead of everyone else it isn’t funny. Others might get a game or two but those guys are on another level. 
But come on man. Mac, Damien, Meyers, jonnu, Hunter, van noy, Judon… 

what he does better than anyone else is find players to fit his system. The surprising thing is how poorly they’ve drafted high. seriously, if you didn’t know the team and just looked at the draft list, one would reasonably think they’re a bottom dweller. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
Many of the guys who have been studs in NE might not have done that anywhere else. Welker and Edelman for sure. Gronk probably would have been great anywhere, Brady probably too but who knows really? 

No, what he does is fit his system to his players, and more importantly, your (weakest) players.

If you have a weakness, BB will find it and keep picking at it.

 

[Bri]

Yes you have good points about LaFleur.  But the cinci turnaround was huge, and that goes a LONG way for this award.  It's really a two man race and pretty much 50/50 between Taylor and LaFleur.  Vrabel will get a few votes though.

How is Cincy not what people expected? What adversity did they overcome that was so noteworthy? 

You're wayyy too confident here

 

[styleride85]

How is Cincy not what people expected? What adversity did they overcome that was so noteworthy? 

You're wayyy too confident here

What?  No one had them picked to win that div.  Vegas had them coming dead last in the division and they WON the division.  Are you suggesting people expected this?

 

[styleride85]

How is Cincy not what people expected? What adversity did they overcome that was so noteworthy? 

You're wayyy too confident here

Vegas preseason win total projections:

Baltimore 11
Cleveland 10.5
Pitt 8.5
Cinici 6.5

And they won the div.... that's huge.

I'm not taking away from Vrabel, he is also deserving.... but to downplay Taylor, c'mon.  

 

[Bri]

What?  No one had them picked to win that div.  Vegas had them coming dead last in the division and they WON the division.  Are you suggesting people expected this?

People were either expecting Chase to be awesome or be a rookie that learns n takes his lumps. Most expected the Burrow n Chase connection to be big. It was

 

[styleride85]

People were either expecting


Chase


to be awesome or be a rookie that learns n takes his lumps. Most expected the


Burrow


n


Chase


connection to be big. It was

lol first of all almost everyone pre season was writing Chase off as a bust already. 

Regardless of that connection, Cinci was expected to come last place in the division and came 1st.  Not sure how you can possibly say "Cinci is what everyone expected".

You're smarter than this man.  Your coach is great too and also deserving, but your logic on the Bengals is flawed.  Tennessee was projected 1st and finished 1st.

 

[Bri]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/three-bold-bengals-predictions-for-2021-joe-burrow-has-huge-year-plus-receivers-combine-to-match-nfl-record/amp/

 

[Bri]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/10/27/22745899/fivethirtyeight-bengals-nfl-playoffs-2021-2022

 

[Bri]

The Titans expected to win their division, yes unless you were a Wentz fan. There's two doormats so that was a gimme. We lost a ton before this group so...I have no shame in getting gimme wins and they even botched that too.

The Ravens hopes went downhill or had concern when they suffered significant injuries this summer.

The Steelers were about as expected maybe Ben got them an extra W.

The Browns have been very odd the last two years with success. They only need this position or that one soooo let's get three quality TEs. OBJ? Why protect Baker? They haven't handled new success well at all. I definitely thought they'd be better but also a lot of "why" with their moves.

Googling I see several sites predicted a 7-8 win record for the Bengals but everyone is mentioning Burrow and Chase n WRs. 

I'd say the Titans and Bengals are 2-3 games better than expected.

I did not think the Titans could win much without Henry. I did not think they could without Henry Jones and AJB.

 

[styleride85]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/three-bold-bengals-predictions-for-2021-joe-burrow-has-huge-year-plus-receivers-combine-to-match-nfl-record/amp/

 Here you go, here's one predicting the Titans to win 12 games and get the 2 seed... so I guess them getting the 1 seed and 12 wins isn't that surprising at all. 

We can both cherry pick articles (Like your "BOLD STATEMENTS" reference) Let's use Vegas Over/Under results as that is the most accurate way to determine preseason projections.

Titans projected for 9 wins and 1st in the division.     
Reality was 12 wins and the 1 seed.

Bengals projected for 6.5 wins and 4th in the division. 
Reality was 10 wins and 1st in the division.

Bengals over performed their expectations slightly more than the Titans.  I agree with you about all the Henry out stuff, and I agree with you that Vrabel is a very deserving coach for coach of the year.  But based on how the VOTERS vote, I believe that Taylor is very deserving (as is Vrabel, as is LaFleur), and all 3 of them are going to be getting double digit votes out of 50.

 

[styleride85]

The Titans expected to win their division, yes unless you were a Wentz fan. There's two doormats so that was a gimme. We lost a ton before this group so...I have no shame in getting gimme wins and they even botched that too.

The Ravens hopes went downhill or had concern when they suffered significant injuries this summer.

The Steelers were about as expected maybe Ben got them an extra W.

The Browns have been very odd the last two years with success. They only need this position or that one soooo let's get three quality TEs. OBJ? Why protect Baker? They haven't handled new success well at all. I definitely thought they'd be better but also a lot of "why" with their moves.

Googling I see several sites predicted a 7-8 win record for the Bengals but everyone is mentioning Burrow and Chase n WRs. 

I'd say the Titans and Bengals are 2-3 games better than expected.

I did not think the Titans could win much without Henry. I did not think they could without Henry Jones and AJB.

Again not sure what you're arguing.  Bengals outperformed expectations by 3.5 games.  Titans by 3 games.  Both coaches are pretty equally deserving, or at least it's close either way.  Not the absolute blow out you think it is.  There's going to be at least 10 of 50 voters who think Taylor deserves it over Vrabel.

 

[styleride85]

How is Cincy not what people expected? What adversity did they overcome that was so noteworthy? 

You're wayyy too confident here

I mean they weren't expected to win today and they did.

(I know today's game has no relevance towards the COY award, but just saying that I think he belongs)

 

[styleride85]

It's gotta be Vrabel.

Most players on a roster ever (injuries) lost a HOF RB and still beat several top teams to get the one seed

good call.  thought taylor would get more votes.

 

[Bri]

good call.  thought taylor would get more votes.

Appreciate that but you were swaying me to Taylor's side and the playoffs haven't changed that either.

On another note-

Both the Titans GM and coach were renewed recently.

The coach of the year rundown/resume presented on NFLN like what Vrabel's been through....they did inadvertantly present it like JRob (GM) should be fired.

JRob has been the golden boy so that's like him finally getting criticism and glass ceiling falling. This off-season will be interesting with every Titans fan shifting from in JRob we trust