Raider Nation
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This topic came up just now on the No Huddle show on NFL Network. Kurt Warner said the answer is Palmer.
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Who is currently the best QB in the AFC West? (1 Viewer)
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money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
I have a hard time going against Rivers here but Palmer has had a nice 2 weeks. Def. debatable at this point. I know the SD line has been terrible and Rivers hasnt been good at times but over the course of a season I'd feel much more comfortable going with Rivers than any of the other options.
Tebow shouldnt even be on this list. I love the dude but sooner or later you're going to have to complete more than 2-7 passes to win consistently in the NFL. We'll see.
Tebow shouldnt even be on this list. I love the dude but sooner or later you're going to have to complete more than 2-7 passes to win consistently in the NFL. We'll see.
thatguy
Footballguy
I still have to go with Rivers. His track record is too long and too good to assume he has regressed this much. He's obviously hit a rough patch, but I have to believe he'll come out of it at some point.
After that, I would say Palmer, and it's a toss up between Tebow and Orton, but given each of their respective success with Denver this season, I give the nod to Tebow with Orton last.
There is something about Tebow, however, that makes you believe (or at least want to believe) that anything is possible. He definitely has shown the proverbial "IT" factor at times, and thus you can't use pure statistics when comparing him to other QB's. By season's end, he could very well be my number one if he continues to find ways to win games.
After that, I would say Palmer, and it's a toss up between Tebow and Orton, but given each of their respective success with Denver this season, I give the nod to Tebow with Orton last.
There is something about Tebow, however, that makes you believe (or at least want to believe) that anything is possible. He definitely has shown the proverbial "IT" factor at times, and thus you can't use pure statistics when comparing him to other QB's. By season's end, he could very well be my number one if he continues to find ways to win games.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hmmm.If a team gave up two very high picks last month for Rivers, nobody would have criticized the team who acquired him, right?
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Well... to be fair, Carson Palmer hasnt played like Rivers the past 2-3 years. Palmer appeared to have fallen off but Ive never questioned him as a leader and or competitor. Im a Palmer fan.. always have been. I still thought he could be great just was in a bad spot. We'll see though. I actually supported the idea for the Raiders to deal for him. Thought the price was high but if the Raiders get into the playoffs and or can win a playoff game I have to think it can be worth it going forward.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You don't fully appreciate great QB play on your team unless you haven't seen it in 8 or 9 years.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Why can't I vote for Tyler Palko?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
For a couple of reasons. First, I didn't list him. Secondly, he stinks, so I didn't list him.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Not trying to hate.. but the fact Tebow has as many votes as Palmer makes me question if people understand what's going on within the game. Tebow is horrible as a QB... Im on record saying I love the dude as a competitor and leader but QB.. ehh.. he just isnt consistent in the passing game or executing plays. If not for his defense and offensive line.. He'd be totally screwed. What he's producing on the field will not hold up unless he gets a passing game. I want to believe his will and competitiveness will win games but in the long haul... its not going to work. Im all for him proving me wrong so we'll see.. Im just not optomistic. Whats his completion % again?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
he's right. But only b/c rivers is playing inexplicably bad this year.palmer'Raider Nation said:This topic came up just now on the No Huddle show on NFL Network. Kurt Warner said the answer is Palmer.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Still Rivers, easily. Palmer is still a turnover machine at times, and he isn't as good as Rivers is at his best.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am not sold on Palmer but I only saw the Vikings game. He did an excellant the job of managing the game and handing off to Bush. He played a dink and dunk and never challeged the Vikings deep despite their decimated secondary. Alex Smith could have executed that game plan. A large portion of the field position resulted from the Vikings terrible special teams play.
They are definitely lucky to play Chicago without Cutler.
They are definitely lucky to play Chicago without Cutler.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Until this season, it was Rivers by a landslide. Now it is a tight race with Palmer in front. Tebow is a winner but he is not a good QB. Denver should be happy to be winning even if it is ugly.
FavreCo
Footballguy
His overall W-L record is equal to Rivers (5-3 vs 59-31). Rivers has more experience. It's Rivers.
Marauder
Footballguy
Rivers and it's not close. Sure, he's having a terrible year but you can't forget about what he has done the last 3 years, and it's not like Palmer is lighting it up. Rivers still has a higher passer rating than Palmer does this year.
If the Raiders had the opportunity to trade Palmer for Rivers straight up right now, they'd do it without hesitation.
If the Raiders had the opportunity to trade Palmer for Rivers straight up right now, they'd do it without hesitation.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
Correct - TEBOW ! He plays for the AFC winner Denver Bronco's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One More Rep
Footballguy
I still have to say Rivers. He is having a down year for sure but I think he will bounce back next year.
griff321
Footballguy
For being out of football and just joining the team a few weeks ago what Palmer is doing is astonishing.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Really? Astonishing? He passed for 164 yards.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I've had a great deal of rspect for Rivters his entire career. I think he's been chronically underrated, and his lack of postseason success has kept him down. He has been elite. For more years than Palmer ever was. If this was a lifetime acheivement award, it's Rivers in a landslide. But in the here and now, I gotta say I'd take Palmer over Rivers. There is just something not right with Rivers right now. Whether it's an injury he's not disclosing or its a mental attitude problem, his mechanics are off and he seems to force balls into tight windows throwing off his back foot at times. He's a turnover machine that could be on the downside of his career. It can happen that fast. Not that Palmer is an elite QB now, but he has the look of a QB that knows what he can and can't do and the game is really in focus for him. That's why I voted Palmer, not because of some homer allegiance. If you asked this question a few weeks ago, well ti wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Anyone who voted for Rivers obviously doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'currently'.
ffldrew
Footballguy
Rivers has a perfect opportunity to get well this weekend - something about the Broncos DB's that wake him up lately - if he performs poorly in this one you really have to question what is going on in his head or the locker room or with the coaching staff.
thatguy
Footballguy
I have to assume Denver's plan will be to bring pressure early and often and force Rivers to make mistakes. If they are successful, it will likely be another long day. If not, yes, he could very well right the ship. The way Miller has been playing, and with Dumervil finally finding his 2009 form, I think there is a good chance that Rivers is under pressure the whole game.'ffldrew said:
munchkin
Footballguy
I would take Rivers over any of the others if I was drafting a team long term. He is young, competitive as hell and has matured in his decision making. That said he is having a really down year (for him). If we can believe what we read (a big if) he apparently is battling some kind of injury and the team is not playing well around him. He has lost Gates for a while, Matthews is in and out of the lineup, floyd the same and VJax is maddenly inconsistent.
Right now Palmer is in the best position to succeed. As he gets more comfortable with the receivers his INTs will decrease. He plays with a solid, consistent running game and the defense is playing well enough. As for the Vikings game Ford was injured, DHB was lost fairly early and with Moore in a walking boot after the game it's fair to assume he was hurt himself and may have been playing the role of a decoy as the game went along. When you have the lead and killing it on the ground there is no need to pass the ball. Part of being a good QB is taking what the team is giving you; why risk TOs? The Vikings have no passing game and with ADP out they likely felt that Gerhart couldn't beat them. Kill clock with the running game and get out of town without further injury.
Right now Palmer is in the best position to succeed. As he gets more comfortable with the receivers his INTs will decrease. He plays with a solid, consistent running game and the defense is playing well enough. As for the Vikings game Ford was injured, DHB was lost fairly early and with Moore in a walking boot after the game it's fair to assume he was hurt himself and may have been playing the role of a decoy as the game went along. When you have the lead and killing it on the ground there is no need to pass the ball. Part of being a good QB is taking what the team is giving you; why risk TOs? The Vikings have no passing game and with ADP out they likely felt that Gerhart couldn't beat them. Kill clock with the running game and get out of town without further injury.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Well, when the other candidates are...-A guy who has thrown 3 interceptions in two of his four games this year.-A guy who hasn't played in almost two months.-A guy who is a terrible passer of the football...the vote for Rivers becomes a lot easier.'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
FavreCo
Footballguy
I'll take it up a notch. How about this one. Rivers wins this week and the rest lose. Rivers is therefore currently the best.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
bump for nice prediction. Hey, at least Palko lost, barely.
FavreCo
Footballguy
It was a hypothetical. That guy sucks. Changing to Palmer. The guy just wins.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Bump for new opinions
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
How would Tebow, Rivers and Plamer fare with roll reversal?
Tebow in sd with Gates, Mathews, Tolbert, Vjax, Floyd, Brown?
Tebow in oak with Bush, DMC, Reese, Boss, DHB, Moore, Ford?
River or Palmer in Denver? ehhh just seems like bad teams, maybe if lloyd was around I have more confidence. The rate they are throwing picks Denver would be a bottom 5 team right now. Being able to carry your team to win games you have no business winning, like rivers did the end of last year, is what has me leaning towards 1st Timothy.
Tebow in sd with Gates, Mathews, Tolbert, Vjax, Floyd, Brown?
Tebow in oak with Bush, DMC, Reese, Boss, DHB, Moore, Ford?
River or Palmer in Denver? ehhh just seems like bad teams, maybe if lloyd was around I have more confidence. The rate they are throwing picks Denver would be a bottom 5 team right now. Being able to carry your team to win games you have no business winning, like rivers did the end of last year, is what has me leaning towards 1st Timothy.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Shameless Bump. Standings as of today:
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Fensalk
Footballguy
Good Matchup between Palmer and Rivers. Both played well. People may take cracks at Palmer but they can't blame him for the Raiders defense giving up 31 points, or the Raiders special teams for giving up a 105 kickoff return TD.
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