Who is the WR to have in Philly? (1 Viewer)

[Kiddnets]

Or are they both equal? Is Curtis just a deep threat or can he put up solid #2/3 WR numbers? Is Brown losing ground to Curtis?

 

[grizz101]

Kevin Curtis

 

[shadyridr]

Thought it was Brown. After watching the game Im thinking its Curtis.

 

[Banger]

Thought it was Brown. After watching the game Im thinking its Curtis.

I didn't see the game, what makes you say that? His stats weren't tremendous, was he targetted more? Looked to first?

 

[Kiddnets]

Interesting - would you use either as a #2 or #3?

 

[shadyridr]

Thought it was Brown. After watching the game Im thinking its Curtis.

I didn't see the game, what makes you say that? His stats weren't tremendous, was he targetted more? Looked to first?

They were tagreted the same but McNabb targeted Curtis on alot of deep passes while Brown didnt get any solid targets. Curtis reminded me of the way they used Stallworth last year.

 

[shadyridr]

Interesting - would you use either as a #2 or #3?

I drafted Brown as my #1

 

[Banger]

Thought it was Brown. After watching the game Im thinking its Curtis.

I didn't see the game, what makes you say that? His stats weren't tremendous, was he targetted more? Looked to first?

They were tagreted the same but McNabb targeted Curtis on alot of deep passes while Brown didnt get any solid targets. Curtis reminded me of the way they used Stallworth last year.

Cool. That's what I was hoping for. I thought Curtis had a nice preseason and heard good camp reviews. It'll be interesting to see what happens there over the next few weeks.

 

[Kiddnets]

Interesting - would you use either as a #2 or #3?

I drafted Brown as my #1

I'm sure you have a backfield of LT and LJ if you have Brown as your #1 WR! So it sounds like one is no better than the other right now?

 

[KellysHeroes]

own both in 2 seperate leagues... in each league... both are #3 options for me. The problem with Brown is that hes gets the shorter routes; and McNabb has 0 touch when it comes to short routes.... he throws the ball 90 MPH wether the WR is 10 feet away or 40 yds down the field. The only time you see McNabb put a little touch on the ball is when he screens over to Westy.

 

[einstein2u]

i hope reggie turns it around.....i was projecting easily 1k and around 8 TDs....

this might backfire.

 

[shadyridr]

Interesting - would you use either as a #2 or #3?

I drafted Brown as my #1

I'm sure you have a backfield of LT and LJ if you have Brown as your #1 WR! So it sounds like one is no better than the other right now?

Led my team in points this week. Took RB, RB, TE in the 1st 3 rounds. Was still expecting a solid WR to fall in the 4th but 18 went in the 3rd and 4th rounds so stuck with Brown. Sorry for the hijack.

 

[Kuz]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possible

sleeper pick up if they play quite a few..

any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard of

him but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

 

[az_prof]

They both had five targets so if you are the sort to base these questions on week 1 you would have to say they are equal. I still think Brown will get more in the end based on familiarity with McNabb, but it will be close.

 

[Kleck.]

Green Bay has two very good CBs, and a pass rush that got McNabb moving often and didn't allow for him much time in the pocket. It really shouldn't be too much of a surprise that neither Brown or Curtis had big games.

 

[shadyridr]

i hope reggie turns it around.....i was projecting easily 1k and around 8 TDs....this might backfire.

Me too. Im not ready to give up yet cuz he had some dud games last year that just so happened to not be in week 1 (actually in week 1 last year he only had 2 catches but one happened to be a TD). But you damn sure Im trying to upgrade at WR so I can bump Brown down to #3.

 

[zadok]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possiblesleeper pick up if they play quite a few..any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard ofhim but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

They go 3 WRs or more on about (just an educated guess) 50% of their plays. Avant is the slot WR - he'll have his days. I doubt he ever puts up 100+, but he will see a few targets every game and his hands and strength are excellent.

 

[kncks12]

i hope reggie turns it around.....i was projecting easily 1k and around 8 TDs....this might backfire.

Fellas, listen you need to give this some time. McNabb looked shakey on Sunday, and the Philly team was not good. I think when they are clicking, that Brown could be very good! He has ability, and hopefully they look to him more when the offense is clicking. YOu can pass on the Skins, so it will interesting to see what he does in primetime. I am starting Brown and hoping for the best this week.

 

[Restricted]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possiblesleeper pick up if they play quite a few..any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard ofhim but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

I'm keeping an eye on him. He was the #3 against the weakest corner and LJ Smith was gimp. If he continues to get targets he may be worth a look but I'm waiting.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possiblesleeper pick up if they play quite a few..any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard ofhim but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

3WR sets aren't a huge part of the Eagles O. I like Avant but he won't start over Brown or Curtis and our 3rd WR won't make enough of an impact to warrent fantasy consideration.As to the OP's question, I see a pretty even split here. Unless there's a TO caliber WR on the field, McNabb will spread it around. Reggie will be the better red zone option but Curtis might get more big plays.

 

[Kuz]

sorry for my hijack.. but thanks for the replies about Avant..

 

[Kiddnets]

thanks for the homer input - should be interesting to watch this week to see if one takes the lead.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Westbrook.

 

[3C's]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possiblesleeper pick up if they play quite a few..any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard ofhim but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

3WR sets aren't a huge part of the Eagles O. I like Avant but he won't start over Brown or Curtis and our 3rd WR won't make enough of an impact to warrent fantasy consideration.As to the OP's question, I see a pretty even split here. Unless there's a TO caliber WR on the field, McNabb will spread it around. Reggie will be the better red zone option but Curtis might get more big plays.

Guy in my league just bid over 1/3 of his BB money on Avant. Well, hopefully Brown owner. Curtis will probably be the beneficiary of the bombs, while Brown will have more catches, and hopefully red zone looks. FWIW, FFToday had targets from last week as:Brown 6Curtis 4Avant 4

 

[duaneok66]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possible

sleeper pick up if they play quite a few..

any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard of

him but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

They go 3 WRs or more on about (just an educated guess) 50% of their plays. Avant is the slot WR - he'll have his days. I doubt he ever puts up 100+, but he will see a few targets every game and his hands and strength are excellent.

nice call . . . in 2006 it was 51% (8th in the NFL) . . .

 

[Dolfan34]

Curtis will probably be the beneficiary of the bombs, while Brown will have more catches, and hopefully red zone looks.

i agree with this and believe that brown is the better wr of the two to have. for the most part, curtis will be the one running the routes to try to stretch the defense while brown will run the short to intermediate routes. if you want consistancy, brown is the guy. if you want to gamble and look for that homerun game, maybe curtis is the better play. but i think that both will finish as solid #3 wrs with brown being a little more consistant on a week to week basis. forget about week 1.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

Actually, I think Curtis will be the more consistent performer IF their targets remain close. Drops have been Brown's biggest problem ever since college - last year he caught only 51% of targets, one of the lower figures in the league. Curtis, on the other hand, is quite reliable...catch percentage is in the 60-70% range each year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possible

sleeper pick up if they play quite a few..

any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard of

him but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

They go 3 WRs or more on about (just an educated guess) 50% of their plays. Avant is the slot WR - he'll have his days. I doubt he ever puts up 100+, but he will see a few targets every game and his hands and strength are excellent.

nice call . . . in 2006 it was 51% (8th in the NFL) . . .

Curious where you go that stat.This year could be different if LJ is hurt.

Vs. Green Bay they went 3 and 4 WRs when the Pack lost Al Harris for a while.

Philly plays matchups. Whomever gets open is the #1 target. Last season, McNabb had 5 different leading receivers the first 5 games, including one Greg Jones .

 

[delusional]

avant

 

[Tyrion]

avant

If McNabb gets his touch back on the deep ball (which I think he will) Kevin is the one you want. Curtis was open repeatedly going deep. The long bomb McNabb did hook up with Curtis was almost a TD. Curtis went out at the one or the two yard line.

 

[bkterps]

Anybody know how many 3 WR sets the Eagles play.. It seems like Avant may be a possible

sleeper pick up if they play quite a few..

any insights from Philly homers on this or the prospects of Avant this year.. I've never heard of

him but did catch quite a bit of the Philly/Green Bay game & he looked okay..

They go 3 WRs or more on about (just an educated guess) 50% of their plays. Avant is the slot WR - he'll have his days. I doubt he ever puts up 100+, but he will see a few targets every game and his hands and strength are excellent.

nice call . . . in 2006 it was 51% (8th in the NFL) . . .

Curious where you go that stat.This year could be different if LJ is hurt.

Vs. Green Bay they went 3 and 4 WRs when the Pack lost Al Harris for a while.

Philly plays matchups. Whomever gets open is the #1 target. Last season, McNabb had 5 different leading receivers the first 5 games, including one Greg JonesLewis .

 

[turleyfan]

Westbrook.

you beat me to it.

 

[Lehigh98]

There is none, I have never drafted an Eagles WR (other than TO) for just that reason.

 

[OU#1]

Unfortunately I have Reggie Brown as my #2 WR so I was doing some research on the past game. Here are some findings:

Looks in Week 1: Westy 12, Brown 6, Curtis 5, Avant 4, Smith 3, Others 3

Here's what the WR's did with their looks...

R.Brown:

1st Q, 0 Looks

2nd Q, 1 Look

3-8-PHI 36 (2:08) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to 86-R.Brown.

3rd Q, 1 Look

2-5-GB 29 (8:33) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to 86-R.Brown (97-J.Jolly).

4th Q, 4 Looks

1-10-PHI 31 (14:32) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to 86-R.Brown.

2-10-PHI 31 (14:28) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short left to 86-R.Brown to PHI 45 for 14 yards (36-N.Collins).

1-10-PHI 45 (13:48) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to 86-R.Brown.

1-10-PHI 34 (10:31) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short right to 86-R.Brown.

K. Curtis:

1st Q, 1 Look

3-9-GB 43 16) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass deep right to 80-K.Curtis pushed ob at GB 6 for 37 yards (20-A.Bigby).

2nd Q, 1 Look

2-4-PHI 39 (10:15) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to 80-K.Curtis [77-C.Jenkins].

3rd Q, 1 Look

3-6-Midfield (9:42) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 80-K.Curtis ran ob at GB 34 for 16 yards (21-C.Woodson).

4th Q, 2 Looks

3-5-GB 29 (8:28) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to 80-K.Curtis (31-A.Harris).

3-22- (2:47) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to 80-K.Curtis.

J. Avant:

1st Q, 0 Looks

2nd Q, 2 Looks

3-4-GB 45 (8:18) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 81-J.Avant to GB 31 for 14 yards (20-A.Bigby).

1-9-GB 9 (6:06) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 81-J.Avant for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

3rd Q, 1 Look

3-7-PHI 15 (11:13) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 81-J.Avant to PHI 46 for 31 yards (56-N.Barnett).

4th Q, 1 Look

3-7- (7:48) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to 81-J.Avant (36-N.Collins).

The game distro was 29 rush/33 pass in a high turnover/definsive struggle type game. Out of 33 passes 3 went to the TE, 15 to WR's, and 15 to RB's. I just don't see how any WR can thrive with that distribution unless they are the sole target. Westy had 12 by himself with Brown, Avant and Curtis having 15 total. Javon Walker had 15 looks in Week 1, and the next guy was Steve Smith with 13.

In summary Avant obviously made the most of his looks catching 75%, Curtis 40%, and Brown 17% (Westy was 50%). Avant had the sole TD obviously as the only highlight to the Philly WR's. Curtis caught two long balls. McNabb tried to get Brown involved in the 4th but it was too little too late.

Perhaps the GB D is that good, or perhaps it's still too early to see if any of these WR's will pan out?

All I know is if Brown gives me 1 point again this week he'll be riding the pine until he gets hot and I'll quickly trade him. #1 WR my ###, Westy is the #1 RB AND #1 WR on that team.

 

[simey]

In summary Avant obviously made the most of his looks catching 75%, Curtis 40%, and Brown 17% (Westy was 50%). Avant had the sole TD obviously as the only highlight to the Philly WR's. Curtis caught two long balls. McNabb tried to get Brown involved in the 4th but it was too little too late.Perhaps the GB D is that good, or perhaps it's still too early to see if any of these WR's will pan out?

I didn't see the game, but you have to take into account how many of those balls thrown were catchable.

 

[corpcow]

Interesting - would you use either as a #2 or #3?

I drafted Brown as my #1

Sure hope you have Gates, Manning/Palmer/Brees, and a few real good RBs

 

[fsufan]

avant

what can you tell me about Jason Avant? worth a dynasty spot?

 

[OU#1]

In summary Avant obviously made the most of his looks catching 75%, Curtis 40%, and Brown 17% (Westy was 50%). Avant had the sole TD obviously as the only highlight to the Philly WR's. Curtis caught two long balls. McNabb tried to get Brown involved in the 4th but it was too little too late.Perhaps the GB D is that good, or perhaps it's still too early to see if any of these WR's will pan out?

I didn't see the game, but you have to take into account how many of those balls thrown were catchable.

I agree, but the lack of looks in general is what's so depressing for the WR's. When a team throws 6 passes to it's #1 WR and he only catches 1/6 that's just sad. Westy really hurts his WR's with all those looks form a fantasy perspective.

 

[shadyridr]

Interesting - would you use either as a #2 or #3?

I drafted Brown as my #1

Sure hope you have Gates, Manning/Palmer/Brees, and a few real good RBs

Kitna, Addai, Portis, Peterson, Gates. Led my league in week 1 scoring

 

[shadyridr]

I kind of dont understand all the people who are saying Brown is a #3 WR. I think its just overreaction to a bad game. He was ranked 21st last year and that is after missing week 17 to rest the starters. What's changed much from last year? I think he'll be a solid #2.

 

[RBM]

Brown before the season, Brown now. Last week didnt change a thing. McNabb was bad, the offense looked awful. Thats not how Andy wants that offense running.

 

[Brutis]

I think Curtis will end up with the best numbers.

 

[delusional]

About Avant. He was a beast possesion WR in michigan. Was happy when the eagles took him.

He moved ahead of Baskett this preseason on the depth chart ( from 4 to 3 ).

Brown had a HORRIBLE camp. I really wouldnt be surprised to see Avant get more action as the year goes on. Especially with LJ Smith being as gimpy as he is, Avant will take over part of that game plan.

Avant = incredible hands, average deceptive speed, #3 / slot WR in a west coast offense.

In deep leagues with starting 3 WR, i would use him. Possibly take a flyer on him in dynasty leagues also.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

avant

what can you tell me about Jason Avant? worth a dynasty spot?

In most leagues, yes.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Avant, like any other third WR on the depth chart, has value as a young player on a passing offense. Same with Crayton (granted both starters are older) and also Bryant Johnson in AZ. That's probably the best example. Johnson when he gets playing time is

Avant learned the system in Year 1 and was slow to adapt to it. WCO isn't easy. He's ok now, and doing well.

With LJ out at times, he'll be a good target. If he can move the chains, D-mac will find him.

Also check out the Dynasty Watch where we highlighted Avant and eight other players to keep an eye on.

 

[az_prof]

They were actually targeted the same amount of times; however, I do believe Brown is the better player to own because of his familiarity with mcnabb and Eagles. Brown is a good WR2 and Curtis a Wr3.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Westbrook.

you beat me to it.

This was my reaction when I saw the thread title.

 

[Dt's Mules]

They were actually targeted the same amount of times; however, I do believe Brown is the better player to own because of his familiarity with mcnabb and Eagles. Brown is a good WR2 and Curtis a Wr3.

and i curtis b/c of his superior receiving skills (i.e. hands)

 

[OU#1]

I was checking out the Looks/Touches on Yahoo and they had this little tidbit of info:

Donovan McNabb has yet to establish much of anything with his WR1 and WR2. After two weeks, Reggie Brown has just three catches for 41 yards on 14 looks (21 percent catch rate) while Kevin Curtis has six catches for 81 yards on 15 looks (40 percent), and neither has scored a TD. Meanwhile, WR3 Jason Avant has eight catches for 109 and a score on nine looks (89 percent).