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Who is this year's DPOY? (1 Viewer)

Bob "The Eraser" Sanders. Nobody means more to his team's defense (the one that led the league in fewest points given up and second in turnovers) than Sanders. When you consider what the guy does with what he has (only 5'8" and 210 lbs.) it's even more amazing.

 
Probably needs to be from a playoff team to be selected....

My candidates would be

Jared Allen

Cromartie

Sanders

Willis

James Harrison??

 
it has to be Sanders. if haynesworth didn't miss a few games and be hampered in a few more he'd be neck and neck with Sanders. Indy should ask Freeney to restructure

 
Jared Allen, Albert Haynesworth, Marcus Trufant, Patrick Willis, Patrick Kerney, James Harrison and Demarcus Ware all have solid cases for consideration, but I think Bob Sanders is going to be tough to vote against. He may not have the raw big play stats the others have, which usually carry the vote, but his intangibles may seal the deal. Had Allen or Willis led their teams to the playoffs and/or played on defenses with better 2007 reputations or Haynesworth remained healthy during the second half, the result may have been different. My money is on Sanders, too.

 
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Amazing how few mentioned Albert Haynesworth. I'm curious why? Did you not see him play? Not see the statistical difference when he was out? Still hold ill will toward him for the Gurode episode? what is it about him?

 
Amazing how few mentioned Albert Haynesworth. I'm curious why? Did you not see him play? Not see the statistical difference when he was out? Still hold ill will toward him for the Gurode episode? what is it about him?
The votes often follow flashy stats, and, while Haynesworth looked like the favorite despite that during the first half of the season, his pass rush stats and playmaking against the run weren't there when he returned from his injury. The Titans rush defense remained solid, but the impressive stat lines that Haynesworth was putting up through Week 9 mostly disappeared during the second half. Prior to his injury, he was on pace for 52 solos and 10 sacks. I'd bet that it was as much those gaudy stats from the DT position that got him noticed as it was his impact on the running game of opposing offenses.
 
I say Sanders - Haynesworth stand out as game changers on playoff bound teams.

Willis was the best player - but only because he had more opportunities with that crappy offense.

I also think David Harris has an argument from a crappy team.

 
Amazing how few mentioned Albert Haynesworth. I'm curious why? Did you not see him play? Not see the statistical difference when he was out? Still hold ill will toward him for the Gurode episode? what is it about him?
The votes often follow flashy stats, and, while Haynesworth looked like the favorite despite that during the first half of the season, his pass rush stats and playmaking against the run weren't there when he returned from his injury. The Titans rush defense remained solid, but the impressive stat lines that Haynesworth was putting up through Week 9 mostly disappeared during the second half. Prior to his injury, he was on pace for 52 solos and 10 sacks. I'd bet that it was as much those gaudy stats from the DT position that got him noticed as it was his impact on the running game of opposing offenses.
Yeah, that hamstring injury has really hampered him. In Week 1, he looked absolutely unblockable against the Jags.I have got to second or third Bob Sanders. Indy's defense is no longer a finesse D and he's a big part of that.
 
Jared Allen, this guy is money. Also Chris Harris S CAR deserves mentioning, pretty amazing he can come out of nowhere and force 8 fumbles with 3 recoveries.

 
I say Sanders - Haynesworth stand out as game changers on playoff bound teams.Willis was the best player - but only because he had more opportunities with that crappy offense.I also think David Harris has an argument from a crappy team.
I read this and my kneejerk reaction was to feel an annoyance I did last year, when people said they didn't vote for Demeco Ryans for the Pro Bowl for the same sort of reason... that Houston was a bad team and therefore the reason he had so many tackles was because he had a lot more opportunities.Which really burned me up since 22 teams had more defensive snaps than Houston did last year. But, I just checked this year's stats and you are correct about SF getting a lot more defensive plays than most teams. #2, with 1077 defensive plays, which is 73 more than the league average.
 
DPOY - Bob Sanders

DROY - Patrick Willis (Jon Beason would be my homer pick, but I recognize that Willis played out of his head)

 
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Amazing how few mentioned Albert Haynesworth. I'm curious why? Did you not see him play? Not see the statistical difference when he was out? Still hold ill will toward him for the Gurode episode? what is it about him?
?About 1/3rd of the posts in this thread mention Haynesworth. He's a great player and had a great year and would get more consideration from me if A)he would have played the entire season and contributed to his team the entire season - making him more valuable to his team, and B)led a unit that won their division. I've never understood how you boost a guy based on how poorly his backups play.Also, I think a lot of people think he's a dirty player and he's not very popular.
 
Bob "The Eraser" Sanders. Nobody means more to his team's defense (the one that led the league in fewest points given up and second in turnovers) than Sanders. When you consider what the guy does with what he has (only 5'8" and 210 lbs.) it's even more amazing.
:thumbup: Another vote for Bob Sanders.
 
It is nice to see Bob Sanders getting some much deserved love here. He is amazing! I am lucky to get to see him play in person 8-12 times a year!

Others who I need to give it up for this season:

Haynesworth- scary good

Super Mario- will be great as long as he doesn't get caught up in the hype.

Cromartie- great ball hawking

 
Not only does Bob Sanders deserve the DPOY for this season, he's deserving by calendar year as well. It was his play and return to the Colts defense that put one of the league's worst run defenses last year in the regular season over the top. In the playoffs and during the Colts SB run, Sanders was MONEY. It was unbelievable how much impact one man had on that defense. They were a sieve during the season, but not when he was on the field. Then, during the offseason, they lost more players and most of us NFL fans thought they'd struggle again this year. Not at all. They came out swinging on opening day of the season and never relented.

Albert Haynesworth is my runner-up. He's had the most impact of any other player on his surrounding team. Mario Williams emerged this year into an elite DE. Patrick Willis is the next coming of Ray Lewis. Cromartie made a ridiculous amount of plays and had a huge impact on the Chargers defensive turnaround despite not even being a starter at that point in the season. Two other players who stood out this year were DeMarcus Ware and James Harrison.

Another player that doesn't really deserve consideration for the award, but who had a lot of big plays was Antrel Rolle. I think he returned 3 or 4 passes for TDs this year, but he has yet to live up to his draft expectations.

 
Not only does Bob Sanders deserve the DPOY for this season, he's deserving by calendar year as well. It was his play and return to the Colts defense that put one of the league's worst run defenses last year in the regular season over the top. In the playoffs and during the Colts SB run, Sanders was MONEY. It was unbelievable how much impact one man had on that defense. They were a sieve during the season, but not when he was on the field. Then, during the offseason, they lost more players and most of us NFL fans thought they'd struggle again this year. Not at all. They came out swinging on opening day of the season and never relented.
Multiple disclaimers before the meat of this post.1. I like Bob Sanders. I think his elevated play this season warrants the DPOY award. I posted as much above.

2. I get the intangibles argument. I'm not solely a stathead.

3. I agree that something happened to the Colt run defense in the 2006 playoffs. It could well have been a healthy Sanders.

4. This isn't directed at Master Henry.

BUT...

There's no significant statistical argument that Bob Sanders' return had anything to do with the improvement in 2006 run defense in the playoffs. None.

Acknowledging sample size issues, the inherent team nature of 11 man defensive football, among other variables, consider the following stats from the regular season.

Average Yards Per Carry Allowed 2006 Regular Season

With Sanders >>> 5.53

Without Sanders >>> 5.25

With Rob Morris at SLB >>> 4.90

Without Rob Morris at SLB >>> 5.41

Average Rush Yards Allowed Per Game 2006 Regular Season

With Sanders >>> 165.25

Without Sanders >>> 175.25

With Morris >>> 158.00

Without Morris >>> 176.15

Difference in Yards Gained Over/Under Each Opponent's League Average 2006 Regular Season

((i.e. Indianapolis allowed 200 yards vs Jacksonville who averaged 150 yards for the year = +50))

With Sanders >>> 39.83

Without Sanders >>> 50.97

With Morris >>> 54.07

Without Morris >>> 46.82

There's an argument to be made that replacing Gilbert Gardner with Rob Morris late in the season was the catalyzing factor. The stats support that claim equally as well. I'd also argue that, while it's been my observation that Sanders played better this season that at any point during his career, the improved 2007 Colt defense has just as much to do with benching Robert Mathis (and sometimes Dwight Freeney) when the offense is not in a clear passing situation, the much improved OLB play on both ends and the more physical play of the two new corners. The DT play has been just as good and probably better despite losing MacFarland before the season started.

Again, I'm not saying that Sanders is a bum and not deserving of 2007 accolades. I believe he is. But I don't think he deserved all the praise he got before the season.

 
Another thing to consider with Allen.....he missed the first 2 games...15.5 sacks in 14 games is very impressive. Merriman's off-filed issues did not hurt him in awards last season, so I don't see why Allen's should.

 
Another thing to consider with Allen.....he missed the first 2 games...15.5 sacks in 14 games is very impressive. Merriman's off-filed issues did not hurt him in awards last season, so I don't see why Allen's should.
It didn't? Bailey and Taylor openly campaigned against him based on the 4 game suspension. Had he missed those games due to injury instead he would have won DPOY in a landslide.
 
Another thing to consider with Allen.....he missed the first 2 games...15.5 sacks in 14 games is very impressive. Merriman's off-filed issues did not hurt him in awards last season, so I don't see why Allen's should.
It didn't? Bailey and Taylor openly campaigned against him based on the 4 game suspension. Had he missed those games due to injury instead he would have won DPOY in a landslide.
Merriman missed time due to a performance enhancing drug suspension - Allen had a 4-game suspension reduced to 2 games for DUIs. Not saying you should ignore DUIs - but I can see why people might draw a distinction for performance-based awards.
 
Another thing to consider with Allen.....he missed the first 2 games...15.5 sacks in 14 games is very impressive. Merriman's off-filed issues did not hurt him in awards last season, so I don't see why Allen's should.
It didn't? Bailey and Taylor openly campaigned against him based on the 4 game suspension. Had he missed those games due to injury instead he would have won DPOY in a landslide.
Merriman missed time due to a performance enhancing drug suspension - Allen had a 4-game suspension reduced to 2 games for DUIs. Not saying you should ignore DUIs - but I can see why people might draw a distinction for performance-based awards.
I agree that they are different, but to say his off field issues didn't play a role in how the voting turned out is simply wrong.
 
Another thing to consider with Allen.....he missed the first 2 games...15.5 sacks in 14 games is very impressive. Merriman's off-filed issues did not hurt him in awards last season, so I don't see why Allen's should.
It didn't? Bailey and Taylor openly campaigned against him based on the 4 game suspension. Had he missed those games due to injury instead he would have won DPOY in a landslide.
How do you know that?
 
1) Willis2) Cromartie3) Haynesworth4) J. Allen5) B. Sanders6) P. Williams7) A. Harris
Charles Woodson was far better than Harris this season, and I still believe Trufant was the best corner in the NFC this season. Nice to see some love for the Minnesota DT crew in the thread. :thumbup:
 
Patrick Willis should be Defensive Player of the Year but he'll probably only get Rookie of the Year.

 

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