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Who is this year's Santana Moss? (1 Viewer)
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cr8f
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I agree. Drafted him late and he could do very well. Burleson could too. If DJaz continues to have problems could be a #1.Coles also looks better with Pennington doing well so far.Mark Clayton.Take a late round flyer on Chad Jackson and Greg Jennings. Even though they are rooks theie situations are good.
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redman
Footballguy
Good call, especially with Porter on the outs there and Curry's injury problems. I've had him lingering as probably the lowest WR on my dynasty roster for two years now, and am praying for him to take off.It is what it is said:Looking for a late round gem who could play like a #2 WR? How about Doug Gabriel of Oakland.
redman
Footballguy
Until I see a WR not known for doing sit ups in his driveway have a bang-up year in Philly, I'm not looking there for good WR sleepers. You could be right - and I do like Brown's (and Lewis', for that matter) talent, but Andy Reid is close to the dumbest "offensive genius" in the league when it comes to calling plays on game day (seriously - he's in Martz territory for me) so until I see it in action I won't believe it.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I haven't forgotten about Bryant. Still, most WRs who change teams generally don't fare so well, and changing to SFO is not exactly great for your career right now. Plus, Arnaz Battle is not to be forgotten.FTRWRTR said:
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Agreed. He's in the perfect offense for him. His career bests up to this point were 1000 yards and 9 tds, and I could see him topping those this year.
Most wrs who change teams end up in a situation where there is at least one good wr. Don't be fooled into thinking arnaz battle is serious competiton for byant. Battle is an injury prone wr who has eight career starts in three seasons thus far. In additon his career ypr is 12.7 and in his best year he had 363 yards and three TDs. His stats don't come close to comparing with those of Bryant's
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Looking at this some more today I broke down a few players using they're YPC that may make them more likely to breakout or regain top form. Aside from the candidates like Javon Walker, Burleson, Clayton, and Matt Jones who all have factors that could help them have very good years, here are some guys with High YPC that may produce much better than they're ADP right now.
High YPC WRs
Terry Glenn - If healthy, very likely to reproduce his numbers from last year. Only needed 62 catches last year to put up 1100+ yards and 7 TDs. Underrated.
Marty Booker - 17.6 YPC last year placed him at 4th overall in the NFL. Started to come on at the end of last year when the whole offense got hot, and now has a better QB who throws a great deep ball.
Ernest Wilford - He's not a burner by any means, but he gets open downfield and comes away with the ball. He was 6th in the league last year at 16.6 YPC and now he has a starting job. He didn't need many catches last year to put up decent numbers, and this year he's likely to get more catches due to opportunities anyway.
Eddie Kennison - He's been underrated for a few years now but he's another guy with a high YPC that doesn't need to be the focal point of an offense to produce good fantasy numbers.
Lee Evans - He's got the 3rd year WR thing going for him along with a high YPC average. I know he has bad QBs to work with but he had bad ones last year too and made the most of his opportunities. I project both he and Losman to both improve at least some this year, which would make Evans a candidate for 10 TDs.
Brandon Lloyd - He's really not worth the money Washington paid him, but he can stretch the field and is starting in what projects to be a potent offense. Last year with 48 catches he managed 733 yards and 5 TDs. While I'm not sure his catches or yards have a much higher ceiling than last, being in a better offense may enable him to get to the endzone more than 5 times. 700+ yards and 7 or 8 TDs is possible, and would be a nice fantasy season.
Doug Gabriel - With Jerry Porter screwing himself out of a starting job in Oakland, it leaves Gabriel to start opposite Randy Moss and see one on one coverage all year long. Gabriel averaged 15.0 YPC last year and displayed big play potential. The Oakland offense looks putrid right now, but it's hard to believe that any offense with Moss won't straighten out and put some points on the board.
Corey Bradford - His YPC last year came way down, but that is mostly because Houston couldn't protect Carr so they pretty much nixed all deep patterns. Bottomline, Bradford has speed to burn and changed teams into the perfect system for a guy like him. If he does indeed nail down the #2 WR in Martz's offense, he has an extremely high ceiling and it won't cost you much to take a chance on him.
I know a lot of these guys have already been covered, but I figured some more info wouldn't hurt anyone.
High YPC WRs
Terry Glenn - If healthy, very likely to reproduce his numbers from last year. Only needed 62 catches last year to put up 1100+ yards and 7 TDs. Underrated.
Marty Booker - 17.6 YPC last year placed him at 4th overall in the NFL. Started to come on at the end of last year when the whole offense got hot, and now has a better QB who throws a great deep ball.
Ernest Wilford - He's not a burner by any means, but he gets open downfield and comes away with the ball. He was 6th in the league last year at 16.6 YPC and now he has a starting job. He didn't need many catches last year to put up decent numbers, and this year he's likely to get more catches due to opportunities anyway.
Eddie Kennison - He's been underrated for a few years now but he's another guy with a high YPC that doesn't need to be the focal point of an offense to produce good fantasy numbers.
Lee Evans - He's got the 3rd year WR thing going for him along with a high YPC average. I know he has bad QBs to work with but he had bad ones last year too and made the most of his opportunities. I project both he and Losman to both improve at least some this year, which would make Evans a candidate for 10 TDs.
Brandon Lloyd - He's really not worth the money Washington paid him, but he can stretch the field and is starting in what projects to be a potent offense. Last year with 48 catches he managed 733 yards and 5 TDs. While I'm not sure his catches or yards have a much higher ceiling than last, being in a better offense may enable him to get to the endzone more than 5 times. 700+ yards and 7 or 8 TDs is possible, and would be a nice fantasy season.
Doug Gabriel - With Jerry Porter screwing himself out of a starting job in Oakland, it leaves Gabriel to start opposite Randy Moss and see one on one coverage all year long. Gabriel averaged 15.0 YPC last year and displayed big play potential. The Oakland offense looks putrid right now, but it's hard to believe that any offense with Moss won't straighten out and put some points on the board.
Corey Bradford - His YPC last year came way down, but that is mostly because Houston couldn't protect Carr so they pretty much nixed all deep patterns. Bottomline, Bradford has speed to burn and changed teams into the perfect system for a guy like him. If he does indeed nail down the #2 WR in Martz's offense, he has an extremely high ceiling and it won't cost you much to take a chance on him.
I know a lot of these guys have already been covered, but I figured some more info wouldn't hurt anyone.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Reading this thread, I keep coming back to Mark Clayton, but I cannot get past my concern for touches with DMason and Heap sharing the load, especially with the McNair/Mason history.
... and I still think Joe Horn is going to have a huge year.
... also, I think one of the ATL WRs will break out this year, and I lean more Jenkins than White.
... and I still think Joe Horn is going to have a huge year.
... also, I think one of the ATL WRs will break out this year, and I lean more Jenkins than White.
The Deathstar
Footballguy
D. Mason: back with his old QB with some other recieving threatsE. Wilford: huge red zone target, great raw talentB. Watson (TE): NE will need to utilize him more this year, much talk of him splitting out wide, with TE graham staying in to block
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AnonymousBob
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Phlash
Footballguy
I like this. I think a good season could come from Bryant along the lines of 75/1150/10I really could see this.
nygiants56
Footballguy
MAtt Jones I like Arnaz Battle..if Alex Smith has turned things around, Battle , if he stays healthy, could play a role similar to that of Michael Irvin when Norv Turner coached in Dallas ..Bryant figures to be the deep guy, the one with the speed, and Battle could be the guy with the most receptions on the team..they'll need to pass a lot in 2006,imo..
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Banger
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I don't know if he's been mentioned but I like Drew Bennett as a #3 wr (ranked about 40-42nd). He was taken way too early last year but he'll be reunited with Volek this year, they have a horrible defense so they will be passing the ball and who's the other WR, Givens? I think he has a good shot to finish in the 20's.
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
I think its safe to say Koren won't be a sleeper this year..
Muhammed is the guy.Burleson 2nd.
With Koren Robinson going down, I'm putting my chips in on Troy Williamson.
2nd-year wideout, and a real burner. Assuming Robinson has no future with the Vikings, I think Williamson is a prime value target. There is a lot of confusion right now in Minnesota, but it's hard for me to imagine that last year's top-10 WR draft pick doesn't immediately get a huge opportunity to take hold of the #1 WR spot.
2nd-year wideout, and a real burner. Assuming Robinson has no future with the Vikings, I think Williamson is a prime value target. There is a lot of confusion right now in Minnesota, but it's hard for me to imagine that last year's top-10 WR draft pick doesn't immediately get a huge opportunity to take hold of the #1 WR spot.
Mungo Burrows
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Is LHUCKS ready to drop some knowledge on us yet?
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Edit to reflect my knowledge of how to spell "knowledge"
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
The defense is the only thing the Titans can remotely count on....They have 9 starters back and the 2 guys that didn't return were upgraded in Thorton and Hope. The pass D should be MILES better with Jones, Fuller and Hill having a year of experience and with Hope stepping in. The D-line should be more consistent with, once again, some experience, and the LBs should be improved with Thorton stepping in next to Bulluck.I'm not saying I predict this outright, but I would not be surprised in the least if they have the best defense in the division this year.Banger said:
LawFitz
Footballguy
Add Derrick Mason to this list and you suddenly have a solid WR corps with guys that will all be taken Rd 6 or later in a ten teamer.
Banger
Footballguy
good stuff. Do you think they'll be better stopping the run? I remember they were pretty horrible last year but it could have been due (in part) to youth/injuries....
LHUCKS
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Going to be hard to do with a stout Jack D in that division but I like them too.
H.K.
Footballguy
This player does not fit the S. Moss profile, but he is waaaayyy undervalued:
2002 133 targets 82 catches 1343 yards 16.4 YPC 8 TD FF WR6 that season
Last year: 109 targets 60 catches 684 yards 11.4 YPC (career low as opposed to a career YPC of 14.7) and still had 7 TD with a brand new QB, finished as WR 33.
Current ADP: WR 56!!!!!
Amani Toomer is the mystery man I am talking about. With Tiki, Burress, & Shockey, nobody even thinks about him, however, Eli has a year of experience under his belt and this will help Toomer considerably.
A slight bump up in targets from last year, a few better passes thrown his way, weaker CB's playing against him and continual red zone success could make for unreal value.
If he gets roughly one more pass per week than last year thwon his way, and a slight uptick in completion percentage look at what you could be getting:
127 targets
75 completions (assumes completion percentage increase from 55% last year to 59% this year)
13.5 YPC (still well below career average)
1,013 yards
7-8 TD's
Not too shabby for WR56 in his ADP...not saying its going to happen, but it is not much of a stretch. Even last night he got three targets in a little more than a quarter of play. Now, his routes may be shorter than before, so it may explain his drop in YPC last year, but he should be able to shake a few CB2's and break some good yardage on occasion to bring it up. He'll be a forgotten man this year in DC's heads and I'll bet he'll have good success this season as a result.
2002 133 targets 82 catches 1343 yards 16.4 YPC 8 TD FF WR6 that season
Last year: 109 targets 60 catches 684 yards 11.4 YPC (career low as opposed to a career YPC of 14.7) and still had 7 TD with a brand new QB, finished as WR 33.
Current ADP: WR 56!!!!!
Amani Toomer is the mystery man I am talking about. With Tiki, Burress, & Shockey, nobody even thinks about him, however, Eli has a year of experience under his belt and this will help Toomer considerably.
A slight bump up in targets from last year, a few better passes thrown his way, weaker CB's playing against him and continual red zone success could make for unreal value.
If he gets roughly one more pass per week than last year thwon his way, and a slight uptick in completion percentage look at what you could be getting:
127 targets
75 completions (assumes completion percentage increase from 55% last year to 59% this year)
13.5 YPC (still well below career average)
1,013 yards
7-8 TD's
Not too shabby for WR56 in his ADP...not saying its going to happen, but it is not much of a stretch. Even last night he got three targets in a little more than a quarter of play. Now, his routes may be shorter than before, so it may explain his drop in YPC last year, but he should be able to shake a few CB2's and break some good yardage on occasion to bring it up. He'll be a forgotten man this year in DC's heads and I'll bet he'll have good success this season as a result.
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nygiants56
Footballguy
I'd have to say anonio bryant.as for the Jets, seems to me like Cotchery is the value pick...he's not an injury risk like Coles..
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
So who are the 2?
CA_7
Footballguy
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Coles has completely rocked the fantasy world thus far. Mason, Moulds, Muhammad and Horn have been solid thus far. Could break either way for them. Walker and Moss haven't done much yet.
psycho lions fan
Footballguy
nygiants56 said:
Targeted Bryant in rounds 8-10 in all my drafts and got him, did the same with S.Moss last year but not as lucky.Adding Colston and Cotchery to every team I have the room on.
H.K.
Footballguy
Might want to read the whole thread:
CA_7
Footballguy
Might want to read the whole thread:
Sorry. I generally stop reading threads after when they become cluttered with nonsense.
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