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Who likes MSW as a buy low candidate? (1 Viewer)

Haha. Can't imagine you're going to get a lot of positive feedback regarding MSW right now. Hell, even I got a goose egg from him last week. I think once teams see Mike Thomas as a viable threat, the coverage may loosen up a bit.

After the game, he tweeted: "Great team win today, I will take no catches and a WIN any day! Sorry fantasy football owners but opportunities jus didn't come my way!" At least his head is in the right place. If he can be had cheap, I would make an offer.

 
If you have a trade offer on the table from a MSW owner, I would definitely try to make MSW a throw-in. Targeting MSW specifically, though, I doubt would work as a "buy low.". There was too much opportunity cost to get him this year. Most rankings had him as a WR2. The buy low drop off from WR2 is waiver fodder, and no one gives up on a WR2 after one game.

 
He will have some big days but he will also have a few more of these goose egg days. :coffee: if you like but there would seem to be better buy low canidates.

 
After owning this guy in a dynasty league for the better part of 3 years, I'm starting to think he's fantasy kryptonite. His numbers might end up being "pretty" in the end (1,100 7 TDs) but the guy just puts up wayyyyyyyyyy too many stinkers to make him a legitimate starter. He's got #2 WR ability but plays more like a borderline #3 too frequently.

It might be Garrard. It might be the Jax offensive philosophy. Or it might just be he's not a consistant enough receiver to be legit in fantasy circles.

Whatever it is, AVOID unless you have the beaten wife syndrome and can't help yourself.

 
I like him as a buy-low and I'm not really a big fan of his or of the Jags offense. Its just one game. He got shutdown by a still elite corner, he was a quality WR2 a year ago.

 
i think you're stuck with him through week 4. you can't get value for him now. he's going to have another bad game sunday at san diego (his numbers in 2009 on the road - 7 games, 19 catches, 232 yards, 1 TD). garrard struggles on the road so MSW does, too, as a result.

ironically, 2009 was also a 0 for 0 opener for MSW, so hopefully, things will pick up.

 
I like him as a tempered buy-low candidate. I think the Jags have a couple of pretty talented young WRs in MSW and Thomas. Obviously, being on the Jags would seemingly make it difficult for their talent to translate into fantasy production.

That said, there are reasons to hope (that both could be productive enough to use consistently):

1-Holt's gone (and so are his 50 receptions from last year)

2-For the first time, in a long time, the Jags have a clear-cut pair of starting WRs

3-Their defense isn't very good

4-Garrard is a capable QB who seems to feel comfortable with both WRs

Though I could see both being used regularly, it's not hard to see Thomas being Garrard's go-to WR this season. Even last year, Thomas only had 15 fewer receptions (than MSW) on 47 fewer targets (and that trend continued on Sunday with him pulling in 6 of the 7 balls thrown his way). Thomas has big playmaking ability and with a season under his belt, the Jags could be ready to really lean on him.

So MSW could be very well end up being the #2 on the Jags, but that may not be as horrible as it sounds. Both could be tantalizing at times and frustratingly inconsistent, but it's possible they'll only be mildy inconsistent. I guess that's not an exciting endorsement, but it's worth panicking over him either.

 
This writer seems to like him a lot this week vs the Bolts.

http://buzztap.com/link.jsp?id=2288150&amp...amp;source=feed

Last week, Mike Sims-Walker of the Jacksonville Jaguars stumbled into his first season as a potential fantasy WR1 by posting a big ol' goose egg: zero catches, zero yards, zero points.

And though Sims-Walker was absent from the box score, the Jaguars didn't seem to mind. Quarterback David Garrard threw for three scores and posted the best passer rating (138.9) of his career as Jacksonville beat the Denver Broncos, 24-17.

For Sims-Walker's fantasy owners, that only makes it worse.

Heading into this weekend, ESPN projects him to score a measly three points in standard (non-PPR) scoring leagues. According to them, he's not even the best hyphenated-name option at receiver; Oakland's Darrius Heyward-Bey is penciled in for four points.

They're wrong, of course. After the jump, there are five reasons to forget Sims-Walker's last game as quickly as history will and reap the rewards of starting him against the San Diego Chargers.
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If you bought low and started him you look like a genius.

Now, are you selling high? Because he is Mr. Inconsistent.

I had him on my bench this week and will probably start him vs. the Eagles so expect 2-for-28, 0 TDs.

 
Would it be overreaction to cut him outright at this point? I start 2 WR and I've got R. Moss and Welker... so i do need someone on their dual bye week, but i'd rather take a flyer on someone with upside. he's seemingly burning roster space at this point...

 
I don't know if I'll cut him yet, but I won't play him anymore that's for freaking sure.

Started him in two leagues. Killing me....absolutely killing me.

I'm the death knell to a WR's in my dynasty league. Braylon, Ginn, MSW have all been on my roster for multiple years and cost me big (return yards for Ginn). And they are all guys who's decline is almost inexplicable.

Here are my current WR's in case you want to know who to avoid: MSW, Steve Smith NYG, Johnny Knox, Jacoby Jones & Dez Bryant. Doesn't get much more mediocre than that.

 
Someone dropped him after his first goose egg right before the week 2 game. He put up some points, so I spent some FAAB on him. I was trying to package him together in some trade proposals. No one want MSW. After this past Thursday's waivers cleared, I saw Lance Moore still sitting on the WW, so I dropped Sims-Walker as fast as I could type my add/drop request. JAX is really bad, even though they beat IND, today. I may even take this week as an opportunity to sell higher on MJD. I have some thinking to do.

 
JVenske said:
Someone dropped him after his first goose egg right before the week 2 game. He put up some points, so I spent some FAAB on him. I was trying to package him together in some trade proposals. No one want MSW. After this past Thursday's waivers cleared, I saw Lance Moore still sitting on the WW, so I dropped Sims-Walker as fast as I could type my add/drop request. JAX is really bad, even though they beat IND, today. I may even take this week as an opportunity to sell higher on MJD. I have some thinking to do.
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Who are you talking to?
 
Well after the last goose egg he put up a 10 catch TD game so im starting him next game then sitting till his next goose egg.

 
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I'm done with him. Will sit him on my bench until he has a good game, then will do everything in my power to trade him.

 
He had 1 target today!

The ONLY reason I'll be holding him is in hopes he tosses up a big game then I'll include him in a trade. If this doesn't happen in a week he's gone. If I can't get Lloyd he's gone this week

 
Dropped him for Gaffney earlier this week. I can't see why anyone would bother keeping this dude on a roster. Who in their right mind will ever play him? You can never trust the guy. Gotta be someone with upside on the WW to pick up.

 
Where do people see Mike Sims-Walker's talent level in dynasty? Could he be elite in a different situation? He seems like an enigma because he has great hands, has good size, and runs a sub 4.5 40 yd dash. Lets say you take MSW out of jacksonville (FA at the end of the year) and put him on the patriots if/when Moss leaves. Does he become a top 20 play?

 
Wk 1 - 0/0/0

Wk 2 - 10/105/1 (8 catches were in the 2nd half, 5 in the 4th in Garbage time and with L. McCown at the helm)

Wk 3 - 2/34/0

Wk 4 - 0/0/0

Not even rosterable, and not even an argument out there to state otherwise.

If you don't score, you cant be on my team.

 
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Alluro said:
Where do people see Mike Sims-Walker's talent level in dynasty? Could he be elite in a different situation? He seems like an enigma because he has great hands, has good size, and runs a sub 4.5 40 yd dash. Lets say you take MSW out of jacksonville (FA at the end of the year) and put him on the patriots if/when Moss leaves. Does he become a top 20 play?
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So much of fantasy football is dependent on situation. If you put MSW on the Colts or Patriots, MSW would be a top 5 talent at his position. Because he has David Garrard throwing to him you might as well throw him into the lee evans camp of fantasy obscurity. MSW in the right situation could be a beast.
 
I finally dumped him in a trade with Jay Cutler (ironically to my Week 4 opponent) for Matt Hasselbeck and Andre Johnson. I'd rather take the risk of an injured AJ and poor road performing Hasselbeck than a virtual 0-4 FP weekly outing from MSW.

 
As a MSW owner (got him in late 6th round as WR#4), I am holding him for now. Garrard has always been hit or miss as a QB. MJD is the focus of the Jax offense. I can not see that changing any time soon.....

Last year, he had 63 catches for 870 yards & 7 TD's

He had 12 catches for over 20 yards

He had 8 games with 4 or fewer rec / <50 yards

If you consider last year (his 3rd in league) his "Break Out Year", why the set back now unless there is a change in the OC plans?

I don't think there will be any value obtained for him unless he shows up for 2 weeks in a row,.... THEN SELL HIM!

 
I didn't watch a whole lot of the game yesterday but from the snaps I saw, Garrard didn't even look in MSW's direction. If MSW was lined up on the left side, Garrard looked only to the right and vice versa.

 
Mike Sims-Walker, who has two games with zero catches, said he's been getting bashed on Twitter by frustrated fantasy owners."That's the worst part of it," Sims-Walker said. "I've never seen this many bitter people in my life. They're calling me everything in the book." Sims-Walker is finally showing some frustration himself even though the Jags are 2-0 when he doesn't catch a ball. Coach Jack Del Rio insists MSW is still one of his better players and said "We've got to be able to make sure he gets catches." Leave Sims-Walker on your bench until the Jags prove it.Source: Associated Press
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The downside to twitter
 
he has been enfuriating me in my main league (darfted him as a primary backup, but with Bowe as my WR2, I aint too pleased). Howver in my secondary league someone just cut him outright, and i'm trying to figure out how to make room on my bench for him. Surely he has enough value, given the right matchup and a stroke of luck, to provide a decent Flex start here and now?

Last year he was inconsistent but provided some solid numbers every other week (at home usually) and i rememnber the Shark POol bring VERY HIGH on him. Now reality has set him and he's dropped to the bottom of the bin.

 
Heisman187 said:
Alluro said:
Where do people see Mike Sims-Walker's talent level in dynasty? Could he be elite in a different situation? He seems like an enigma because he has great hands, has good size, and runs a sub 4.5 40 yd dash. Lets say you take MSW out of jacksonville (FA at the end of the year) and put him on the patriots if/when Moss leaves. Does he become a top 20 play?
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So much of fantasy football is dependent on situation. If you put MSW on the Colts or Patriots, MSW would be a top 5 talent at his position. Because he has David Garrard throwing to him you might as well throw him into the lee evans camp of fantasy obscurity. MSW in the right situation could be a beast.
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I agree with this. Look at Brandon Lloyd. Scouts had touted his talent back to his SF and Washington days, but he never got the opportunity, competent QB, offensive, etc. to put it all together. Now in Denver he's a top 5 WR, and I don't really think it's a fluke. Put MSW somwhere where he has a chance to produce and he has the talent to do so.
 
Heisman187 said:
Alluro said:
Where do people see Mike Sims-Walker's talent level in dynasty? Could he be elite in a different situation? He seems like an enigma because he has great hands, has good size, and runs a sub 4.5 40 yd dash. Lets say you take MSW out of jacksonville (FA at the end of the year) and put him on the patriots if/when Moss leaves. Does he become a top 20 play?
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So much of fantasy football is dependent on situation. If you put MSW on the Colts or Patriots, MSW would be a top 5 talent at his position. Because he has David Garrard throwing to him you might as well throw him into the lee evans camp of fantasy obscurity. MSW in the right situation could be a beast.
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Situation (opportunity) IS huge in FF, but only to a degree. The only way this guy is going to be a top 5 talent at his position is if his position is #3WR on a team. He will never be a beast because he will only put up numbers when he is NOT the #1 option (which limits him). Its pretty easy to read this guy: he simply gets taken out by good corners or schemes too easily and that's not acceptable when you are truly one of the best WRs in the game. AJ may not have his best day of the year against a guy like champ bailey but he doesn't just vanish like MSW does.

We are 4 games in and MSW is holding 2 doughnuts. You can't do that in fantasy; especially if you are in a competitive league or one that doesn't allow a lot of flex or starting positions.

In a redraft, I cut him immediately. If I can't trust him when I need him, how can I ever trust to start him?

In a dynasty, IF (big IF) I truly have a Developmental spot, taxi squad, or just REALLY don't need the roster spot, I keep him to give him just a bit more time. Otherwise, I throw him in a trade as an add-on piece of luggage and let someone else eat the roster spot.

I don't think this guy will ever be an every week reliable play so he can't play for me.

 
Heisman187 said:
Alluro said:
Where do people see Mike Sims-Walker's talent level in dynasty? Could he be elite in a different situation? He seems like an enigma because he has great hands, has good size, and runs a sub 4.5 40 yd dash. Lets say you take MSW out of jacksonville (FA at the end of the year) and put him on the patriots if/when Moss leaves. Does he become a top 20 play?
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So much of fantasy football is dependent on situation. If you put MSW on the Colts or Patriots, MSW would be a top 5 talent at his position. Because he has David Garrard throwing to him you might as well throw him into the lee evans camp of fantasy obscurity. MSW in the right situation could be a beast.
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I agree with this. Look at Brandon Lloyd. Scouts had touted his talent back to his SF and Washington days, but he never got the opportunity, competent QB, offensive, etc. to put it all together. Now in Denver he's a top 5 WR, and I don't really think it's a fluke. Put MSW somwhere where he has a chance to produce and he has the talent to do so.
 
Jaguars Mike Sims-Walker is Frustrated

Jacksonville Jaguars wide receiver Mike Sims-Walker has a little problem, he's not getting the football.

"You always want to be involved in the offense, especially when you think of yourself as a No. 1 receiver in this league," Sims-Walker told the Associated Press. "You work hard at it to be that guy and you go out there and you really don't get the opportunity to show it," he added.

He wants the football. He's frustrated.

"I've never been a negative guy to try to make a fuss about it. I'm not going to sit around and cry or anything. But I'm a receiver and I catch the ball. This is a production-based business, and not even getting targeted is frustrating." Sims-Walker said on Wednesday.

"If it don't get to you, you don't love what you're doing," Sims-Walker said. "It's going to get to you no matter who you are. Even if I was the No. 3 receiver and I didn't get a target, I'd still be mad."

Some of these frustrations have come to head via Twitter from some Jaguars fans and his fantasy owners. I've got Mike Sims-Walker on a fantasy team and I have only started him once this season, but I'm not going to attack him on Twitter about it.

"I've never seen this many bitter people in my life. They're calling me everything in the book: 'I'm benching you, you're this, you're that, you're trash.' It kind of hurts a little bit," Sims-Walker said in regards to comments and messages he's received on Twitter.

Granted Sims-Walker needs some thicker skin if it's really bothering him, but he likes to interact with the fans so it's understandable he's upset about that. Hopefully this won't deter Sims-Walker from Twitter, it certainly didn't this morning with his typical battle cry of "Olly olly oxynfreeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" A lot of what's endeared Sims-Walker so much to the Jaguars fan base was his ability to overcome all the adversity he did in his first two seasons and his penchant for interacting with fans.

Jack Del Rio was asked about Mike Sims-Walker when he met with the media yesterday, as Sims-Walker has taken a lot of heat from the fans and some of the local media because of his lack of production. Jack Del Rio doesn't see an issue with Mike's play on the field. Del Rio thinks Sims-Walker has just been missed.

"Yeah, he was open several times the other day and the ball just didn't come his way. We're asking our quarterback to be in rhythm, get rid of the ball, be on time, be decisive. Mike was open a couple times, we didn't hit him and there was an opportunity to do that," Jack Del Rio said. "It's a team game. Ultimately, we score 31, we win, we're all happy, but there were some opportunities to get Mike involved. He's a good player for us, we want to keep him involved and that's just a coincidence that it went off that way. He's actually played pretty well," Del Rio added.

Del Rio jokingly said said, "There you have it. Don't throw at Mike and we win," but he understands for continued success on offense, Sims-Walker needs to be involved. Last week against the Colts, the game plan was tapered down and geared more towards running the football and short quick passes which much better suit Mike Thomas than Sims-Walker. How long that game plan works remains to be seen, but it would definitely behoove David Garrard and the offense as a whole to start looking Sims-Walker's direction.
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Link :goodposting: @ MSW getting pressure from FF community. Live up to where I picked you at!

 
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OK, I just dropped Lance Moore to grab him off waivers. Man I hope that is not dumb. Anyone think he is worthy of a start @ Buf or simply a wait and see at this point? Also, is this guy just not any good? It's not like he has a huge body or work.

 
Clifford said:
OK, I just dropped Lance Moore to grab him off waivers. Man I hope that is not dumb. Anyone think he is worthy of a start @ Buf or simply a wait and see at this point? Also, is this guy just not any good? It's not like he has a huge body or work.
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I'll give him buffalo to see if he can do ANYTHING. Still too scared to start him.
 
Heisman187 said:
So much of fantasy football is dependent on situation. If you put MSW on the Colts or Patriots, MSW would be a top 5 talent at his position. Because he has David Garrard throwing to him you might as well throw him into the lee evans camp of fantasy obscurity. MSW in the right situation could be a beast.
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really?
 
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