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Who really cares Russia invaded Ukraine (1 Viewer)
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Limp Ditka
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If?
SaintsInDome2006
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Parrothead
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when
timschochet
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I'm sorry, I differ with a lot (most?) of the people in the other thread about how to perceive what's happening and what, if anything should be done about it, but what we all have in common is that we recognize how important this is. If you don't care at all about what's happening, then you are either an idiot, ignorant, or both. Or you're just total shtick. Again, sorry to be so blunt, it is not my intention to be insulting, but I can't see any other options.
Barry
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jonessed
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Schlzm
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We did however go in totally under the premise of protecting all the ethnic Americans who needed protection...Schlzm
SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
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MaxThreshold
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General Malaise
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Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation? 
SaintsInDome2006
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Russians make up 58% of Crimea - if even 15% of Russians and all of the Ukrainians, Tartars and other ethnic groups were against it, then that would be a majority against.Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation?
But ask a person to vote with a gun to their back - they either vote the way they were told or they don't show up if they think the way they want to vote will be, uh, "unappreciated"... then the result is foretold.
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Dr Oadi
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Are you insinuating that Russia coerced Russian-Ukrainians to secede from Ukraine with threats of violence?Russians make up 58% of Crimea - if even 15% of Russians and all of the Ukrainians, Tartars and other ethnic groups were against it, then that would be a majority against.Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation?
But ask a person to vote with a gun to their back - they either vote the way they were told or they don't show up if they think the way they want to vote will be, uh, "unappreciated"... then the result is foretold.
SaintsInDome2006
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Oooo, sorry, is that what it sounded like?Are you insinuating that Russia coerced Russian-Ukrainians to secede from Ukraine with threats of violence?Russians make up 58% of Crimea - if even 15% of Russians and all of the Ukrainians, Tartars and other ethnic groups were against it, then that would be a majority against.Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation?
But ask a person to vote with a gun to their back - they either vote the way they were told or they don't show up if they think the way they want to vote will be, uh, "unappreciated"... then the result is foretold.
General Malaise
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So you are of a belief that the majority of the citizens there are NOT in favor of joining the Russian Federation? I listened to a very knowledgeable historian who sounded incredibly long in the tooth on NPR about a month ago and she said the majority of the population on the peninsula WANT to join with Russia.Russians make up 58% of Crimea - if even 15% of Russians and all of the Ukrainians, Tartars and other ethnic groups were against it, then that would be a majority against.Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation?
But ask a person to vote with a gun to their back - they either vote the way they were told or they don't show up if they think the way they want to vote will be, uh, "unappreciated"... then the result is foretold.
MaxThreshold
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Seems like the Ukrainian government should have had some say in that instead of Russia making up some "safety" excuse.So you are of a belief that the majority of the citizens there are NOT in favor of joining the Russian Federation? I listened to a very knowledgeable historian who sounded incredibly long in the tooth on NPR about a month ago and she said the majority of the population on the peninsula WANT to join with Russia.Russians make up 58% of Crimea - if even 15% of Russians and all of the Ukrainians, Tartars and other ethnic groups were against it, then that would be a majority against.Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation?
But ask a person to vote with a gun to their back - they either vote the way they were told or they don't show up if they think the way they want to vote will be, uh, "unappreciated"... then the result is foretold.
BobbyLayne
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I care. Not much, and it's hard to envision a response that is effective. But yes, we should care about the sovereignty of other nations.
OTOH - if the USA broke into regional factions, like Northeastern Middle Atlantic, Southern Confedracy, Midwest (old Northest Territories), et al, and the California-Rockymountainstan state destabilized, I'm sure Texarkana or the United Plains would move in to take control. And we'd tell Canada, France and the U.K. to MYOB.
Also, drunk.
OTOH - if the USA broke into regional factions, like Northeastern Middle Atlantic, Southern Confedracy, Midwest (old Northest Territories), et al, and the California-Rockymountainstan state destabilized, I'm sure Texarkana or the United Plains would move in to take control. And we'd tell Canada, France and the U.K. to MYOB.
Also, drunk.
SaintsInDome2006
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A majority? Sure I'd believe a majority, but a majority of 51% can get you elected president in a fair democratic election, but 95% in a referendum with tanks on the street and AK-47's at the ballot box doesn't get rightfully get you a new country.So you are of a belief that the majority of the citizens there are NOT in favor of joining the Russian Federation? I listened to a very knowledgeable historian who sounded incredibly long in the tooth on NPR about a month ago and she said the majority of the population on the peninsula WANT to join with Russia.Russians make up 58% of Crimea - if even 15% of Russians and all of the Ukrainians, Tartars and other ethnic groups were against it, then that would be a majority against.Don't the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation?
But ask a person to vote with a gun to their back - they either vote the way they were told or they don't show up if they think the way they want to vote will be, uh, "unappreciated"... then the result is foretold.
Crimea did vote for Yanukovich by a large margin in 2010, around 80%, so I would indeed believe that a "majority" does want to be a part of Russia. But the province just above Crimea voted 51% for Yanukovich.
All using this principle does is say it's ok for nations to invade other nations on the pretext that they have ethnics of some number there. I mean we've been through this twice of the most massive scale, WW1, WW2, Bosnia, the Balkan wars 1908-1912, Kosovo, I mean on and on. But hey let's just keep learning our lesson by all means.
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mr roboto
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I've got a couple Russian neighbors they can have.
