Who should be rewarded a win (1 Viewer)

[mrfrood]

This whole season defenses have been awarded 1 point whenever defenses gave up 18-34 points. The commissioner forgot to put 0 points for that range and left it blank. Therefore, the system awarded the defense a point when they gave up 18-34 points.

During the semi finals, Team A scored 100 total points and Team B scored 99.7.

Team B complained that Team A's defense team should not have been given an extra point because the defense gave up 24 points. He protested that Team A was rewarded a point when he should not have based on the fact that the rules did not state that defenses giving up 18-24 points being rewarded 1 point.

The whole season we had been counting that extra point and the commissioner did in fact not put a numerical value in the system, thus the system thought that the 18-34 range did not exist. Nobody ever said anything until it mattered.

My question is, who should be the winner?

Here is information that was mentioned later in the posts that I did not mention earlier:

-Team B knew about the glitch 2 weeks before but did not tell the commissioner, because in his mind he thought that it would not matter.

-In the regular season, a team was affected by this glitch but did not know it. He would have won that game if the glitch was caught and would have made the playoffs. Team B would NOT have made the playoffs because that aforementioned team would have made it.

-Team B was awarded the win and moved to the finals to play Team C

-We had a league vote and people posted on the message board their input. Team C originally said that Team A should advance but that he would prefer to play Team B, who he thought was the inferior opponent. Team C then retracted his Team A side, and thought Team B should be in the finals after there was lobbying going on in our league.

Had the commissioner put a 0 value to the 18-34 range, this would have never happened. The commissioner made a colossal mistake and we as owners made a colossal mistake by not catching this error early on.

 

[Mario Kart]

B

 

[jvdesigns2002]

This whole season defenses have been awarded 1 point whenever defenses gave up 18-34 points. The commissioner forgot to put 0 points for that range and left it blank. Therefore, the system awarded the defense a point when they gave up 18-34 points.During the finals, Team A scored 100 total points and Team B scored 99.7. Team B complained that Team A's defense team should not have been given an extra point because the defense gave up 24 points. He protested that Team A was rewarded a point when he should not have based on the fact that the rules did not state that defenses giving up 18-24 points being rewarded 1 point. The whole season we had been counting that extra point and the commissioner did in fact not put a numerical value in the system, thus the system thought that the 18-34 range did not exist. Nobody ever said anything until it mattered. My question is, who should be the winner?

Unless they are going to retroactively go back through the entire season and correct that scoring error in every matchup--then team A should absolutely win. The fact that your entire league did not notice that error all the way through the regular season basically "locks" that the scoring error is something that the entire league has indirectly "agreed" upon. Team records, playoff standings were all calculated and locked with that that scoring error occurring the entire time. To basically nullify that dynamic only the championship game is absolutely absurd. The one thing that has to be true with a fantasy sports league is that the scoring needs to be consistent for every owner throughout the course of an entire season. That error existed the entire season--so your league has two choices--to go back and retroactively replay every match with the error corrected--or to stick with the scoring error the entire way through. It's the only way to guarantee consistency. You can't score something a certain way all season, and into the playoffs--and then just change it in the final game. That's absurd.

 

[Alkahsu]

If the bylaws show that point range as 0 points then Team B should win, otherwise A.

 

[mrfrood]

If the bylaws show that point range as 0 points then Team B should win, otherwise A.

It was basically not set as 0 but left blank. There was no numeric value given to that range. Thus, the system worked in a way where 18-34 was a non-existent range.

 

[wsig]

If the bylaws show that point range as 0 points then Team B should win, otherwise A.

It was basically not set as 0 but left blank. There was no numeric value given to that range. Thus, the system worked in a way where 18-34 was a non-existent range.

I think he gets that. But were the rules agreed upon by the league? Played as such in past seasons? Posted on the league board ever? Or was it just a "convenient" excuse after the fact? Usually I'm a stickler for the rules, but you can't until the championship game to notice something and protest it when it affects every match-up, every week. Not only that, but the owner waited until AFTER the championship game and AFTER he lost to find the mistake. The whole season was over at that point. Too late for a scoring change protest IMO. It's in the books already, and too late to try and change the outcome(s).

 

[FlapJacks]

B

 

[solorca]

Based on the way you described it, it sounds like the rule is in place in your bylaws. In that case, Team B needs to be awarded the win.

Just because no one else caught it or complained earlier doesn't mean that the rule shouldn't be adhered to. The fault falls on the commish for setting things up incorrectly, not on Team B. It sucks for Team A, but the rules are the rules.

If it isn't in the bylaws, then it's Team A, obviously.

 

[RUSF18]

It's not Team B until you go back and review every single result of the season to ensure that the same two teams met in the finals. Anyone saying to automatically give the victory to Team B is insane. Maybe Team A is the winner with his 100 points after beating his rightful championship game opponent, Team C, who put up 95 points.

 

[LuckyOne]

Every time I read one of these questions, no matter what the op posts, I read "should we give the win based on the rules?" The answer to that question is always yes. Team B won by the written and scoring rules. He is the winner.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Unless they are going to retroactively go back through the entire season and correct that scoring error in every matchup--then team A should absolutely win...You can't score something a certain way all season, and into the playoffs--and then just change it in the final game. That's absurd.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

You should all punch each other in the face for not noticing it sooner, then split the $100 evenly between A and B

 

[Black]

Our bylaws say two things: each team is responsible for reviewing/verifying that the scoring is set correctly on the online provider AND that games are not to be retroactively updated due to scoring setting errors.

Not sure how you guys do it, but it should be the responsibility of all teams to verify settings are correct (esp by week 16/7) and retroactively changing scoring always causes problems.

 

[solorca]

Assuming a rule is in place, I think it's insane to suggest that Team A should win because of the way it was handled previously. If I drive 80 in a 55mph zone every day for 20 days and happen to get caught on the 21st, it doesn't mean that the rule wasn't in place for the first 20 days. It just means that I happened to be caught on the 21st.t t

The rule is the rule. Every team has had the entire season to protest it, and just because it's yet to come up as an issue (either because no one else lost by one point as a result of this, or because no one caught it) doesn't mean that the rules shouldn't be followed now.

Team B won the game based on the rules of the league.

Now, if this is a case where the rules don't specifically state that 18-34 points should equal 0 points, then it is just an easy of a decision in favor of Team A.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Unless they are going to retroactively go back through the entire season and correct that scoring error in every matchup--then team A should absolutely win...You can't score something a certain way all season, and into the playoffs--and then just change it in the final game. That's absurd.

No, this is a terrible post. The fact that other owners failed to catch this error in no way means that the owner of Team B doesn't get to catch it.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's not Team B until you go back and review every single result of the season to ensure that the same two teams met in the finals. Anyone saying to automatically give the victory to Team B is insane. Maybe Team A is the winner with his 100 points after beating his rightful championship game opponent, Team C, who put up 95 points.

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake. The affected owners, if any, had an opportunity to bring it up back then and should have done so. If they didn't, the commissioner can't go back and do so now, and Team B shouldn't be penalized simply because some other owner didn't notice the mistake earlier in the year. So if the league has some kind of rule like that, which clearly defines when results are final, then there's no need to go back and reevaluate the results of every week to see if there was an impact. Team B is the winner.Even in the absence of such a rule, it's problematic to go back and potentially alter the results of prior weeks. Perhaps waiver priority is based on reverse order of standings, for example, so changing the outcome of a game may also have affected the waiver order for that week, which would have landed a player on a different team, which would have affected the outcomes of subsequent games, etc. If it's a keeper/dynasty type of league, maybe a team got a win in a spot where, had they lost instead, they might have considered making a trade to better prepare their team for next year or something. You have to tread very carefully if you're even thining about reviewing prior weeks' results. It's almost always a bad idea (which is why it's useful to have a rule explicitly stating that it won't be done). Just looking at the championship game in a vacuum, I think that the winner should be Team B, assuming that you have written scoring rules somewhere and that they clearly indicate that 18-34 points allowed should be 0 points. A team should never be penalized for a software error, or a commissioner mistake. The best hope is that the commish can go back and verify that this mistake didn't impact any other games. It would be easy enough to at least glance through the schedule to see if any games were decided by less than a point, and if so, see if the defensive scoring mistake was the difference. If you have seeding or tiebreakers or something like that which relies on total points scored, verify that this was not impacted either. Just because the mistake didn't impact the outcome of an individual game doesn't mean it necessarily had no impact on the league results overall. If commish is able to determine that this mistake had no impact on the league prior to the championship game, then I think Team B can rightfully be awarded his championship and no one can really complain (Team A probably will anyway, of course, but rules are rules). If, on the other hand, a prior game's result was affected by the mistake, then it's a trickier situation to handle. Then you've got a situation where standings have been affected, which could (theoretically, at least) have impacted free agency, other games, playoff seeding, etc. In that case you're going to have to face the argument that by letting the mistake go uncorrected earlier in the year, you've effectively made it the de facto rule for defensive scoring for this season. If it was my league, I'd just pay both Teams A and B the championship winnings, making up the shortfall out of my own pocket since it was my mistake.

 

[Pipes]

Based on the way you described it, it sounds like the rule is in place in your bylaws. In that case, Team B needs to be awarded the win.Just because no one else caught it or complained earlier doesn't mean that the rule shouldn't be adhered to. The fault falls on the commish for setting things up incorrectly, not on Team B. It sucks for Team A, but the rules are the rules.If it isn't in the bylaws, then it's Team A, obviously.

Not Team B's fault noone noticed it until now.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

What is the exact league rule about how to award points scored to the defense? If it's spelled out in the league rules and everyone agreed to the rules before the start of the season then you pretty much have to go with what is spelled out in the league rules. Commissioner mistakes just like any other kind of mistakes can and should be corrected whenever possible.

 

[RUSF18]

It's not Team B until you go back and review every single result of the season to ensure that the same two teams met in the finals. Anyone saying to automatically give the victory to Team B is insane. Maybe Team A is the winner with his 100 points after beating his rightful championship game opponent, Team C, who put up 95 points.

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake. The affected owners, if any, had an opportunity to bring it up back then and should have done so. If they didn't, the commissioner can't go back and do so now, and Team B shouldn't be penalized simply because some other owner didn't notice the mistake earlier in the year.

Fair point, you're right.

 

[dhockster]

Step 1: Determine outcome of games based on current, written, agreed upon rules

Step 2: If current written rules suck, change them for next season

Team B wins because it was agreed upon in the rules that defenses giving up more than 18 points should not be awarded a point. Team A should get 99 points

and lose the game. As stated by others, just because prior errors were made and not caught, that does not change the rules.

"Well, we screwed up the scoring in all these other games, we better screw up the scoring in the championship game, too". That makes no sense.

I would say to the other owners, if there is no rule about when scores are considered final and cannot be overturned, if they can prove that there were games affected by this scoring error during the regular season and it affected the teams qualifying for the playoffs and/or who was in the championship game, then they

can make a protest to the league to get the season corrected. If scores are considered final by a specific time then they are out of luck for not catching the error by the required deadline.

 

[dhockster]

It's not Team B until you go back and review every single result of the season to ensure that the same two teams met in the finals. Anyone saying to automatically give the victory to Team B is insane. Maybe Team A is the winner with his 100 points after beating his rightful championship game opponent, Team C, who put up 95 points.

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake. The affected owners, if any, had an opportunity to bring it up back then and should have done so. If they didn't, the commissioner can't go back and do so now, and Team B shouldn't be penalized simply because some other owner didn't notice the mistake earlier in the year. So if the league has some kind of rule like that, which clearly defines when results are final, then there's no need to go back and reevaluate the results of every week to see if there was an impact. Team B is the winner.Even in the absence of such a rule, it's problematic to go back and potentially alter the results of prior weeks. Perhaps waiver priority is based on reverse order of standings, for example, so changing the outcome of a game may also have affected the waiver order for that week, which would have landed a player on a different team, which would have affected the outcomes of subsequent games, etc. If it's a keeper/dynasty type of league, maybe a team got a win in a spot where, had they lost instead, they might have considered making a trade to better prepare their team for next year or something. You have to tread very carefully if you're even thining about reviewing prior weeks' results. It's almost always a bad idea (which is why it's useful to have a rule explicitly stating that it won't be done). Just looking at the championship game in a vacuum, I think that the winner should be Team B, assuming that you have written scoring rules somewhere and that they clearly indicate that 18-34 points allowed should be 0 points. A team should never be penalized for a software error, or a commissioner mistake. The best hope is that the commish can go back and verify that this mistake didn't impact any other games. It would be easy enough to at least glance through the schedule to see if any games were decided by less than a point, and if so, see if the defensive scoring mistake was the difference. If you have seeding or tiebreakers or something like that which relies on total points scored, verify that this was not impacted either. Just because the mistake didn't impact the outcome of an individual game doesn't mean it necessarily had no impact on the league results overall. If commish is able to determine that this mistake had no impact on the league prior to the championship game, then I think Team B can rightfully be awarded his championship and no one can really complain (Team A probably will anyway, of course, but rules are rules). If, on the other hand, a prior game's result was affected by the mistake, then it's a trickier situation to handle. Then you've got a situation where standings have been affected, which could (theoretically, at least) have impacted free agency, other games, playoff seeding, etc. In that case you're going to have to face the argument that by letting the mistake go uncorrected earlier in the year, you've effectively made it the de facto rule for defensive scoring for this season. If it was my league, I'd just pay both Teams A and B the championship winnings, making up the shortfall out of my own pocket since it was my mistake.

 

[Jetdoc]

Our bylaws say two things: each team is responsible for reviewing/verifying that the scoring is set correctly on the online provider AND that games are not to be retroactively updated due to scoring setting errors.Not sure how you guys do it, but it should be the responsibility of all teams to verify settings are correct (esp by week 16/7) and retroactively changing scoring always causes problems.

We have a similar rule where the settings input into the online system automatically trump what is included in the written rules for this very reason.If your rules do not state that, then technically Team B won. If I were Team A, I would go back and recalculate the entire season for every team to make sure it did not impact playoff seedings, etc...if it remotely impacted any playoff seeding, then Team A can assert that he is the winner.

 

[BaBastage]

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake. The affected owners, if any, had an opportunity to bring it up back then and should have done so. If they didn't, the commissioner can't go back and do so now, and Team B shouldn't be penalized simply because some other owner didn't notice the mistake earlier in the year.

End of discussion.

 

[Tau837]

Unless they are going to retroactively go back through the entire season and correct that scoring error in every matchup--then team A should absolutely win...You can't score something a certain way all season, and into the playoffs--and then just change it in the final game. That's absurd.

No, this is a terrible post. The fact that other owners failed to catch this error in no way means that the owner of Team B doesn't get to catch it.

It seems that many in this thread think that every owner should review all of the scoring of every game every week, not just their own games. It could easily be true that Team B never faced an opponent that was incorrectly awarded a point for this type of defensive performance, or at least never faced that situation in a game that was close.It's the commissioner's fault, and Team B should not be cost the title over that.

 

[Tau837]

It's not Team B until you go back and review every single result of the season to ensure that the same two teams met in the finals. Anyone saying to automatically give the victory to Team B is insane. Maybe Team A is the winner with his 100 points after beating his rightful championship game opponent, Team C, who put up 95 points.

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake. The affected owners, if any, had an opportunity to bring it up back then and should have done so. If they didn't, the commissioner can't go back and do so now, and Team B shouldn't be penalized simply because some other owner didn't notice the mistake earlier in the year. So if the league has some kind of rule like that, which clearly defines when results are final, then there's no need to go back and reevaluate the results of every week to see if there was an impact. Team B is the winner.Even in the absence of such a rule, it's problematic to go back and potentially alter the results of prior weeks. Perhaps waiver priority is based on reverse order of standings, for example, so changing the outcome of a game may also have affected the waiver order for that week, which would have landed a player on a different team, which would have affected the outcomes of subsequent games, etc. If it's a keeper/dynasty type of league, maybe a team got a win in a spot where, had they lost instead, they might have considered making a trade to better prepare their team for next year or something. You have to tread very carefully if you're even thining about reviewing prior weeks' results. It's almost always a bad idea (which is why it's useful to have a rule explicitly stating that it won't be done). Just looking at the championship game in a vacuum, I think that the winner should be Team B, assuming that you have written scoring rules somewhere and that they clearly indicate that 18-34 points allowed should be 0 points. A team should never be penalized for a software error, or a commissioner mistake. The best hope is that the commish can go back and verify that this mistake didn't impact any other games. It would be easy enough to at least glance through the schedule to see if any games were decided by less than a point, and if so, see if the defensive scoring mistake was the difference. If you have seeding or tiebreakers or something like that which relies on total points scored, verify that this was not impacted either. Just because the mistake didn't impact the outcome of an individual game doesn't mean it necessarily had no impact on the league results overall. If commish is able to determine that this mistake had no impact on the league prior to the championship game, then I think Team B can rightfully be awarded his championship and no one can really complain (Team A probably will anyway, of course, but rules are rules). If, on the other hand, a prior game's result was affected by the mistake, then it's a trickier situation to handle. Then you've got a situation where standings have been affected, which could (theoretically, at least) have impacted free agency, other games, playoff seeding, etc. In that case you're going to have to face the argument that by letting the mistake go uncorrected earlier in the year, you've effectively made it the de facto rule for defensive scoring for this season. If it was my league, I'd just pay both Teams A and B the championship winnings, making up the shortfall out of my own pocket since it was my mistake.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There is a huge piece of information missing here, and that is whether or not you have a separate rules listing that says 18-34 should be worth 0 points. Is that the case, or are the online league settings your official rules?

In the league I run, we have a separate web page that explicitly spells out all the rules. That protects us from having a problem if the settings are entered into the online scoring interface (MFL) incorrectly. The web page with the rules spelled out is official, anything done incorrectly in the scoring software is corrected. In this case, Team B should be the winner.

In another league I'm in, we operate solely on yahoo. There are no separate rules, nor anywhere else spelling out the rules in writing. In a case like this I would say that the online scoring settings are the rules, and Team A should be the winner.

So which way is your league set up?

 

[Godsbrother]

If the entire season was played with the scoring system as is it seems odd to change now for one game.

 

[Joe Summer]

You can't punish Team B for failing to catch the Commissioner's mistake sooner. The bottom line is that he noticed it within a reasonable amount of time after HIS GAME, so he should be awarded the win.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

If the entire season was played with the scoring system as is it seems odd to change now for one game.

I agree with this completely. The owner of Team B didn't notice the scoring issue all season either. Once the regular season ended--and the entire scoring of that league has been consistently and fairly scored WITH the error in place--it is absolutely absurd to grant the correction in "ONE" game where it clearly favors one side. The team B owner is just as guilty as every other owner in the league for not noticing it in the prior 14-15 weeks--so the claim that he's some innocent victim of the scoring system is insane. There is one concrete rule in fantasy sports--the scoring system has to be fair and consistent for EVERY owner in a league. The fact that EVERYBODY (including Team B's owner) accepted the results of 15 fantasy weeks worth of scoring with the error in place is clear reason to accept the scoring system the entire way through. The issue is not if it was the commissioners fault, or either of the owners fault. Nobody spotted the error until the season was in essence over---which means that the mistake was on the fault of EVERYBODY in the league equally. Every owner could have noticed the error early in the season when it could have been taken care of in a meaningful way. However, to change the scoring system for one game--under the cloak of saying it's only the commissioners fault--is ridiculous. Team B's owner is just as guilty as anybody for not spotting it earlier. If he gets entitled to be granted the benefit of changing the scoring after 15 weeks of scoring--then every other owner can go back through the entire season and see if it would have changed their results--which in turn could have changed playoff seedings--etc. There are only two options--if the scoring is allowed to be adjusted--it has to be adjusted retroactively for everybody. If your commish is not willing to do this-then he has to keep the scoring the way it is-- no matter what bylaws exist--there is ONE rule that has to be always be maintained-- the scoring has to be consistent for every owner every week. Period.

 

[Amused to Death]

If the entire season was played with the scoring system as is it seems odd to change now for one game.

I agree with this completely. The owner of Team B didn't notice the scoring issue all season either. Once the regular season ended--and the entire scoring of that league has been consistently and fairly scored WITH the error in place--it is absolutely absurd to grant the correction in "ONE" game where it clearly favors one side. The team B owner is just as guilty as every other owner in the league for not noticing it in the prior 14-15 weeks--so the claim that he's some innocent victim of the scoring system is insane. There is one concrete rule in fantasy sports--the scoring system has to be fair and consistent for EVERY owner in a league. The fact that EVERYBODY (including Team B's owner) accepted the results of 15 fantasy weeks worth of scoring with the error in place is clear reason to accept the scoring system the entire way through. The issue is not if it was the commissioners fault, or either of the owners fault. Nobody spotted the error until the season was in essence over---which means that the mistake was on the fault of EVERYBODY in the league equally. Every owner could have noticed the error early in the season when it could have been taken care of in a meaningful way. However, to change the scoring system for one game--under the cloak of saying it's only the commissioners fault--is ridiculous. Team B's owner is just as guilty as anybody for not spotting it earlier. If he gets entitled to be granted the benefit of changing the scoring after 15 weeks of scoring--then every other owner can go back through the entire season and see if it would have changed their results--which in turn could have changed playoff seedings--etc. There are only two options--if the scoring is allowed to be adjusted--it has to be adjusted retroactively for everybody. If your commish is not willing to do this-then he has to keep the scoring the way it is-- no matter what bylaws exist--there is ONE rule that has to be always be maintained-- the scoring has to be consistent for every owner every week. Period.

My thoughts exactly.And this should be a poll.

 

[CalBear]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?

You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.

For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

 

[dhockster]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

If the basic premise of the league rules is defenses who give up 18-34 defense don't deserve a point and this was agreed upon as the league rules, then there is no way that Team A should get a point in the league championship game because the league has been doing it wrong all season. It makes no sense to say "Well, we got it wrong all season when we didn't know about it, so we'll continue to get it wrong when we know about it and give the championship to the wrong team based on how the rules are written".I have already stated above if any of the owners want to go back and see if correcting the rule all season would have made a difference in the playoff teams or seedings, they should do that as long as the league does not have a deadline for when games are ruled final. If they find that this would change the outcome of the playoffs then the league should definitely re-visit that. But until then, at least score the championship game correctly based on how the rules are actually written.

 

[CalBear]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

It's justified because it's entirely possible and reasonable that it wasn't noticed up until now. Most owners don't look at the results of their games in detail (obviously, or this would have been noticed); for it to have been noticed, it would have to have been in a 1-point game, where the winning team's defense gave up 18-34 points. It's very likely the situation didn't come up all year. Now it's come up and it's been noticed, and it should be fixed if it was noticed within the normal time frame for correcting errors. That's why you have a time frame for correcting errors.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake.

End of discussion.

Yeah ... didn't think it through first time around.

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

It's not Team B until you go back and review every single result of the season to ensure that the same two teams met in the finals. Anyone saying to automatically give the victory to Team B is insane. Maybe Team A is the winner with his 100 points after beating his rightful championship game opponent, Team C, who put up 95 points.

Sometimes leagues have a rule (as they should) clearly stating that results are final as of Wednesday night or something like that, in which case the commissioner has no obligation to go back and check if any prior games were impacted by his mistake. The affected owners, if any, had an opportunity to bring it up back then and should have done so. If they didn't, the commissioner can't go back and do so now, and Team B shouldn't be penalized simply because some other owner didn't notice the mistake earlier in the year. So if the league has some kind of rule like that, which clearly defines when results are final, then there's no need to go back and reevaluate the results of every week to see if there was an impact. Team B is the winner.Even in the absence of such a rule, it's problematic to go back and potentially alter the results of prior weeks. Perhaps waiver priority is based on reverse order of standings, for example, so changing the outcome of a game may also have affected the waiver order for that week, which would have landed a player on a different team, which would have affected the outcomes of subsequent games, etc. If it's a keeper/dynasty type of league, maybe a team got a win in a spot where, had they lost instead, they might have considered making a trade to better prepare their team for next year or something. You have to tread very carefully if you're even thining about reviewing prior weeks' results. It's almost always a bad idea (which is why it's useful to have a rule explicitly stating that it won't be done). Just looking at the championship game in a vacuum, I think that the winner should be Team B, assuming that you have written scoring rules somewhere and that they clearly indicate that 18-34 points allowed should be 0 points. A team should never be penalized for a software error, or a commissioner mistake. The best hope is that the commish can go back and verify that this mistake didn't impact any other games. It would be easy enough to at least glance through the schedule to see if any games were decided by less than a point, and if so, see if the defensive scoring mistake was the difference. If you have seeding or tiebreakers or something like that which relies on total points scored, verify that this was not impacted either. Just because the mistake didn't impact the outcome of an individual game doesn't mean it necessarily had no impact on the league results overall. If commish is able to determine that this mistake had no impact on the league prior to the championship game, then I think Team B can rightfully be awarded his championship and no one can really complain (Team A probably will anyway, of course, but rules are rules). If, on the other hand, a prior game's result was affected by the mistake, then it's a trickier situation to handle. Then you've got a situation where standings have been affected, which could (theoretically, at least) have impacted free agency, other games, playoff seeding, etc. In that case you're going to have to face the argument that by letting the mistake go uncorrected earlier in the year, you've effectively made it the de facto rule for defensive scoring for this season. If it was my league, I'd just pay both Teams A and B the championship winnings, making up the shortfall out of my own pocket since it was my mistake.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post. I have just made a note to myself to make this very thing clear in my league's bylaws for next season. Something to the effect that: Each owner is responsible for reviewing the scoring of their games. If an error is found before the following week's games are played then a correction may be made. Once the next week's games begin, all scoring is locked. This is still the case if a system error is found later and corrected for the remainder of the season, scores will not be retroactively corrected once the following week's games begin.Tea, B deserves the win, as others have said, they should not be penalized just because no one else noticed the error earlier.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Does your league still add points by hand? How does 1pt get added by a scoring system if it's not in the computerized system?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

If the basic premise of the league rules is defenses who give up 18-34 defense don't deserve a point and this was agreed upon as the league rules, then there is no way that Team A should get a point in the league championship game because the league has been doing it wrong all season. It makes no sense to say "Well, we got it wrong all season when we didn't know about it, so we'll continue to get it wrong when we know about it and give the championship to the wrong team based on how the rules are written".I have already stated above if any of the owners want to go back and see if correcting the rule all season would have made a difference in the playoff teams or seedings, they should do that as long as the league does not have a deadline for when games are ruled final. If they find that this would change the outcome of the playoffs then the league should definitely re-visit that. But until then, at least score the championship game correctly based on how the rules are actually written.

I disagree with you whole heartedly. The only reason why scoring parameters exist in any fantasy league is to insure consistent and fair scoring for every owner. The part of your argument that makes your position blatantly unfounded is that giving any owner a possible competitive advantage is flagrantly unfair. You cannot prove that Team B's owner was not aware of the scoring issue earlier in the season--but didn't speak up because the rule benefited him. This could give him a huge competitive advantage--staying quiet while reaping the benefit of the error-- and speaking up when the error hurt him. This is exactly why your point makes zero sense. The potential for this comptetive advantage CANNOT be proven--we can't just take his word that he was unaware throughout the season. However, the only thing that CAN be proved is that the league used this same scoring system throughout the entire regular season-through the playoffs-and even the championship game with the error in place--it affected everybody equally--and nobody complained about it. Although it was a mistake--the mistake had a chance to effect every owner equally--every week. What you are saying is that every owner in the league (including Team B's) gets to potentially benefit from having that point for every week in the season--except for Team A's owner in the final game? In what world is that fair and consistent scoring? It either has to be fair and consistent based on the exact rules in the league throughout the entire season--or it needs to be fair and consistent for everybody with the error in play. Cherry picking what week to address it and to enforce it soo late that it only benefits one owner--and only hurts one owner is absolute garbage. Addressing the issue where it only hurts one owner in the most important week--its nothing short of BS. It opens the door up for corruption and competitive advantage. The mistake has to exist the entire way through or it needs to fixed the entire way through--it is the only way to guarantee the fairest results that are corruption free.

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

If the basic premise of the league rules is defenses who give up 18-34 defense don't deserve a point and this was agreed upon as the league rules, then there is no way that Team A should get a point in the league championship game because the league has been doing it wrong all season. It makes no sense to say "Well, we got it wrong all season when we didn't know about it, so we'll continue to get it wrong when we know about it and give the championship to the wrong team based on how the rules are written".I have already stated above if any of the owners want to go back and see if correcting the rule all season would have made a difference in the playoff teams or seedings, they should do that as long as the league does not have a deadline for when games are ruled final. If they find that this would change the outcome of the playoffs then the league should definitely re-visit that. But until then, at least score the championship game correctly based on how the rules are actually written.

I disagree with you whole heartedly. The only reason why scoring parameters exist in any fantasy league is to insure consistent and fair scoring for every owner. The part of your argument that makes your position blatantly unfounded is that giving any owner a possible competitive advantage is flagrantly unfair. You cannot prove that Team B's owner was not aware of the scoring issue earlier in the season--but didn't speak up because the rule benefited him. This could give him a huge competitive advantage--staying quiet while reaping the benefit of the error-- and speaking up when the error hurt him. This is exactly why your point makes zero sense. The potential for this comptetive advantage CANNOT be proven--we can't just take his word that he was unaware throughout the season. However, the only thing that CAN be proved is that the league used this same scoring system throughout the entire regular season-through the playoffs-and even the championship game with the error in place--it affected everybody equally--and nobody complained about it. Although it was a mistake--the mistake had a chance to effect every owner equally--every week. What you are saying is that every owner in the league (including Team B's) gets to potentially benefit from having that point for every week in the season--except for Team A's owner in the final game? In what world is that fair and consistent scoring? It either has to be fair and consistent based on the exact rules in the league throughout the entire season--or it needs to be fair and consistent for everybody with the error in play. Cherry picking what week to address it and to enforce it soo late that it only benefits one owner--and only hurts one owner is absolute garbage. Addressing the issue where it only hurts one owner in the most important week--its nothing short of BS. It opens the door up for corruption and competitive advantage. The mistake has to exist the entire way through or it needs to fixed the entire way through--it is the only way to guarantee the fairest results that are corruption free.

So, are you saying that if your league notices in Week 5 that kickers haven't been awarded any points for field goals over 50 yards, you must keep awarding 0 points for field goals over 50 yards for the rest of the year? (Let's make the assumption that it's impossible to go back and correct it from the start of the year because it would also affect free agent pick ups and other things). I may have misinterpreted your statement, but that's how I'm reading it, and I vehemently disagree with that position.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So jedisigns2002 = Team A, yes?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

So jedisigns2002 = Team A, yes?

Not at all. I played in 5 fantasy leagues this year. I won 2, lost fairly in the championship game in 1, and didn't make the playoffs in the other 2. Your point is?

 

[weebs]

His point is he lives under a bridge and makes people pay the troll toll to get in the boys hole

 

[Amused to Death]

His point is he lives under a bridge and makes people pay the troll toll to get in the boys hole

 

[Godsbrother]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

If the basic premise of the league rules is defenses who give up 18-34 defense don't deserve a point and this was agreed upon as the league rules, then there is no way that Team A should get a point in the league championship game because the league has been doing it wrong all season. It makes no sense to say "Well, we got it wrong all season when we didn't know about it, so we'll continue to get it wrong when we know about it and give the championship to the wrong team based on how the rules are written".I have already stated above if any of the owners want to go back and see if correcting the rule all season would have made a difference in the playoff teams or seedings, they should do that as long as the league does not have a deadline for when games are ruled final. If they find that this would change the outcome of the playoffs then the league should definitely re-visit that. But until then, at least score the championship game correctly based on how the rules are actually written.

I disagree with you whole heartedly. The only reason why scoring parameters exist in any fantasy league is to insure consistent and fair scoring for every owner. The part of your argument that makes your position blatantly unfounded is that giving any owner a possible competitive advantage is flagrantly unfair. You cannot prove that Team B's owner was not aware of the scoring issue earlier in the season--but didn't speak up because the rule benefited him. This could give him a huge competitive advantage--staying quiet while reaping the benefit of the error-- and speaking up when the error hurt him. This is exactly why your point makes zero sense. The potential for this comptetive advantage CANNOT be proven--we can't just take his word that he was unaware throughout the season. However, the only thing that CAN be proved is that the league used this same scoring system throughout the entire regular season-through the playoffs-and even the championship game with the error in place--it affected everybody equally--and nobody complained about it. Although it was a mistake--the mistake had a chance to effect every owner equally--every week. What you are saying is that every owner in the league (including Team B's) gets to potentially benefit from having that point for every week in the season--except for Team A's owner in the final game? In what world is that fair and consistent scoring? It either has to be fair and consistent based on the exact rules in the league throughout the entire season--or it needs to be fair and consistent for everybody with the error in play. Cherry picking what week to address it and to enforce it soo late that it only benefits one owner--and only hurts one owner is absolute garbage. Addressing the issue where it only hurts one owner in the most important week--its nothing short of BS. It opens the door up for corruption and competitive advantage. The mistake has to exist the entire way through or it needs to fixed the entire way through--it is the only way to guarantee the fairest results that are corruption free.

So, are you saying that if your league notices in Week 5 that kickers haven't been awarded any points for field goals over 50 yards, you must keep awarding 0 points for field goals over 50 yards for the rest of the year? (Let's make the assumption that it's impossible to go back and correct it from the start of the year because it would also affect free agent pick ups and other things). I may have misinterpreted your statement, but that's how I'm reading it, and I vehemently disagree with that position.

I think what he is saying that one post season game should not be played under different rules than an entire schedule of regular and all other postseason games.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

If the basic premise of the league rules is defenses who give up 18-34 defense don't deserve a point and this was agreed upon as the league rules, then there is no way that Team A should get a point in the league championship game because the league has been doing it wrong all season. It makes no sense to say "Well, we got it wrong all season when we didn't know about it, so we'll continue to get it wrong when we know about it and give the championship to the wrong team based on how the rules are written".I have already stated above if any of the owners want to go back and see if correcting the rule all season would have made a difference in the playoff teams or seedings, they should do that as long as the league does not have a deadline for when games are ruled final. If they find that this would change the outcome of the playoffs then the league should definitely re-visit that. But until then, at least score the championship game correctly based on how the rules are actually written.

I disagree with you whole heartedly. The only reason why scoring parameters exist in any fantasy league is to insure consistent and fair scoring for every owner. The part of your argument that makes your position blatantly unfounded is that giving any owner a possible competitive advantage is flagrantly unfair. You cannot prove that Team B's owner was not aware of the scoring issue earlier in the season--but didn't speak up because the rule benefited him. This could give him a huge competitive advantage--staying quiet while reaping the benefit of the error-- and speaking up when the error hurt him. This is exactly why your point makes zero sense. The potential for this comptetive advantage CANNOT be proven--we can't just take his word that he was unaware throughout the season. However, the only thing that CAN be proved is that the league used this same scoring system throughout the entire regular season-through the playoffs-and even the championship game with the error in place--it affected everybody equally--and nobody complained about it. Although it was a mistake--the mistake had a chance to effect every owner equally--every week. What you are saying is that every owner in the league (including Team B's) gets to potentially benefit from having that point for every week in the season--except for Team A's owner in the final game? In what world is that fair and consistent scoring? It either has to be fair and consistent based on the exact rules in the league throughout the entire season--or it needs to be fair and consistent for everybody with the error in play. Cherry picking what week to address it and to enforce it soo late that it only benefits one owner--and only hurts one owner is absolute garbage. Addressing the issue where it only hurts one owner in the most important week--its nothing short of BS. It opens the door up for corruption and competitive advantage. The mistake has to exist the entire way through or it needs to fixed the entire way through--it is the only way to guarantee the fairest results that are corruption free.

So, are you saying that if your league notices in Week 5 that kickers haven't been awarded any points for field goals over 50 yards, you must keep awarding 0 points for field goals over 50 yards for the rest of the year? (Let's make the assumption that it's impossible to go back and correct it from the start of the year because it would also affect free agent pick ups and other things). I may have misinterpreted your statement, but that's how I'm reading it, and I vehemently disagree with that position.

Not at all--if a problem is spotted early enough where it can be addressed properly for everybody in the league--where it can be retroactively fixed--that should be done so. If the entire league agrees to solve that problem from that point on--then thats fine too. The problem here is that the scoring issue was spotted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late--we are talking the entire season-the entire playoffs--and only spotted at the completion of the championship game. There is an inherent risk that it could have given an owner a competitive advantage--for example the team b owner could have known about the issue--rode the benefits of the error all the way into the playoffs and the championship game--and only voiced his opinion when it hurt him at the end--there is no way to disprove this. If you find a problem early in the season where the solution can cure the advantage/disadvantage of every owner equally--that is an entirely different case. Changing the scoring now only hurts one owner and only helps another while completely disregarding every other owner in the league. If anything the championship pot should be split--but to say that it is clearly Team B is nothing short of garbage.

 

[Please See Mine]

Does your league still add points by hand? How does 1pt get added by a scoring system if it's not in the computerized system?

Commish left the value blank, but should have put a zero. The system changed the blank to a 1 at the beginning of the year (which is kind of odd).

 

[dhockster]

For those advocating going back and reviewing the results for the entire year: What if it turns out that Team A received the benefit of this error back in week 1, winning a game he shouldn't have, and he would have missed the playoffs if it had been scored correctly? Do you then go back and revise the initial playoff brackets, making assumptions about how the team that missed the playoffs would have set his lineup if he'd been in the playoffs?You just can't go back and review the whole season; at some point the week's results are final, even if they contain errors. If your league doesn't have a rule on this, make one for next year, but in any case, all the games up until now are final and in the books.For the Super Bowl, if it's clearly an error by your league rules, and the error was noticed within your normal timeline for correcting errors, you should correct it, which means Team B would win.

How about looking back and seeing if Team B got granted any points throughout the regular season? Are you telling me that throughout an entire season he did not use a defensive team that gave up 18-34 points? The fact is that every owner is guilty for not spotting the issue earlier--and every one of them had either benefited or got hurt by it. While it was an error--the error was consistent for everybody throughout the season. Fair and consistent scoring is the most important thing that matters in fantasy sports. The owner of Team B buried his head in the sand for 15 weeks and is crying foul now? If he can go back and prove that he never received the benefit of this point earlier in the season--then maybe he has an argument--but if is granted the benefit of this error at one point and is crying foul at another point--how is that justified?

If the basic premise of the league rules is defenses who give up 18-34 defense don't deserve a point and this was agreed upon as the league rules, then there is no way that Team A should get a point in the league championship game because the league has been doing it wrong all season. It makes no sense to say "Well, we got it wrong all season when we didn't know about it, so we'll continue to get it wrong when we know about it and give the championship to the wrong team based on how the rules are written".I have already stated above if any of the owners want to go back and see if correcting the rule all season would have made a difference in the playoff teams or seedings, they should do that as long as the league does not have a deadline for when games are ruled final. If they find that this would change the outcome of the playoffs then the league should definitely re-visit that. But until then, at least score the championship game correctly based on how the rules are actually written.

I disagree with you whole heartedly. The only reason why scoring parameters exist in any fantasy league is to insure consistent and fair scoring for every owner. The part of your argument that makes your position blatantly unfounded is that giving any owner a possible competitive advantage is flagrantly unfair. You cannot prove that Team B's owner was not aware of the scoring issue earlier in the season--but didn't speak up because the rule benefited him. This could give him a huge competitive advantage--staying quiet while reaping the benefit of the error-- and speaking up when the error hurt him. This is exactly why your point makes zero sense. The potential for this comptetive advantage CANNOT be proven--we can't just take his word that he was unaware throughout the season. However, the only thing that CAN be proved is that the league used this same scoring system throughout the entire regular season-through the playoffs-and even the championship game with the error in place--it affected everybody equally--and nobody complained about it. Although it was a mistake--the mistake had a chance to effect every owner equally--every week. What you are saying is that every owner in the league (including Team B's) gets to potentially benefit from having that point for every week in the season--except for Team A's owner in the final game? In what world is that fair and consistent scoring? It either has to be fair and consistent based on the exact rules in the league throughout the entire season--or it needs to be fair and consistent for everybody with the error in play. Cherry picking what week to address it and to enforce it soo late that it only benefits one owner--and only hurts one owner is absolute garbage. Addressing the issue where it only hurts one owner in the most important week--its nothing short of BS. It opens the door up for corruption and competitive advantage. The mistake has to exist the entire way through or it needs to fixed the entire way through--it is the only way to guarantee the fairest results that are corruption free.

Wow, I don't even know where to start.First, whether Team B knew about the error earlier in the season is irrelevent. If he did know, he probably would've informed the commissioner at the time as the one point error had just as much chance of hurting him as helping him.Second, I already said if any owner has a problem with this and can prove that the one point scoring error during the regular season would've changed the playoff teams or the seeding, then the league should re-visit, unless there is a rule that says game scoring is final as of a set deadline. Finally, each owner has the ability to review the scoring and make sure the game was scored according to the rules. I would think a competent owner would do this especially if a game were decided by one or two points. To say that Team B has some sort of competitive advantage is ridiculus because every other owner had the same ability to review the scoring that he did. They either didn't review the scoring (their fault), they did review the scoring and failed to detect an error which was there and would've effected the outcome of the game (their fault), or they did review the scoring and the error had no effect on the outcome of the game (nothing to correct). Whatever the case, team B has no competitive advantage, he is just a more diligent owner or his was the only game where the outcome would have been different based on this scoring error.Fix the error that you know about. Correct prior errors if the rules allow and if there are any proven errors which affect the playoffs. Award the championship based on the written rules that all the owners agreed upon. Do to otherwise would be corruption in my opinion.

 

[solorca]

It's perfectly conceivable that team B (or any other team in the league) wouldn't have noticed the error until now. I've been in one league for 11 years and I STILL forget the breakdown of defensive scoring. The only time I even look into it is when I'm in a really close game that happens to be the last game of the week.

Team B won based on the rules of the league. What happened before is irrelevant. Even if Team B knew about the error all season and didn't say anything, it still doesn't matter. The commissioner is at fault for the error... And it needs to be fixed, even though it really sucks for Team A.

The previous weeks can't and shouldn't be adjusted. If a team lost because of it, they should have protested it then. At a certain point, results have to stand.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

1. Does every team have access to seeing the scoring system somewhere on the site?

If yes,

2. Did Team B complain after the games started?

If yes, award to Team A. They had access to the scoring system and the games started under those parameters.

Obviously, when he lost a close one he went fishing for loopholes to get himself a win, and found the error. But he found it after the games started. Both teams played under the same conditions, and the entire season was played that way.

If nobody said anything before the game started, don't score 86 fantasy games one way (based on 12 teams and a 14-week season with playoffs in week 15) and one game another way. Keep it consistent because nobody said anything.

 

[dhockster]

Not at all--if a problem is spotted early enough where it can be addressed properly for everybody in the league--where it can be retroactively fixed--that should be done so. If the entire league agrees to solve that problem from that point on--then thats fine too. The problem here is that the scoring issue was spotted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late--we are talking the entire season-the entire playoffs--and only spotted at the completion of the championship game. There is an inherent risk that it could have given an owner a competitive advantage--for example the team b owner could have known about the issue--rode the benefits of the error all the way into the playoffs and the championship game--and only voiced his opinion when it hurt him at the end--there is no way to disprove this. If you find a problem early in the season where the solution can cure the advantage/disadvantage of every owner equally--that is an entirely different case. Changing the scoring now only hurts one owner and only helps another while completely disregarding every other owner in the league. If anything the championship pot should be split--but to say that it is clearly Team B is nothing short of garbage.

There is no way to disprove he knew or did not know about the error. But you could prove or disprove whether the error affected the outcome of any games and whether that would have affected the playoff teams or seedings. To just throw your hands up and say "nope, we did it wrong before, let's keep doing it wrong because we have to be consistent" is crazy, especially when there is a way to see if correcting the error for the whole season would have made any difference.Just so I know if you are a reasonable person or not, if the league reviewed the scoring for the regular season and no game outcomes were changed or game outcomes were changed but did not effect the playoff teams or the seeding, and the other playoff game outcomes were not affected by the scoring errors, do you agree that the championship game scoring should be corrected and team B awarded the championship?