Who will have the better 2012 season? AD or Jamaal Charles? (1 Viewer)

[greggorymac]

Who will have the better 2012 season? Adrian Peterson or Jamaal Charles

 

[solorca]

Assuming Charles stays healthy, I would assume him. He should have a six game head start.

 

[mjr]

I think both will be on a lighter workload to start the season, AP sharing carries with Gerhart and Charles with Hillis. Both are reportingly "ahead of schedule" in rehab but even so I think both will have issues returning to 100% this year.

I think what it will come down to, assuming both backs go on to full recovery, is which back will get more and more playing time as they get stronger. For me that would be AP, not Charles. Hillis is going to hurt Charles' PPR value, whereas I think AP will get more receiving plays early on until he can cut and run tough enough to be the primary rock carrier again. So in PPR leagues at least, I think AP will be the better scorer.

Of course, all of that means nothing if there are setbacks, and if it happens to either one of these guys, I think AP would be the one to suffer it first.

I'll say AP is the high risk high reward pick, where Charles is the more steady but less rewarding choice.

 

[Sabertooth]

Assuming Charles stays healthy, I would assume him. He should have a six game head start.

I disagree. I think ADP comes back strong.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Assuming Charles stays healthy, I would assume him. He should have a six game head start.

I disagree. I think ADP comes back strong.

Strong right out of the gate in week one? Charles has a 3 or 4 month lead in the rehab process, with a less severe injury, and I wouldn't even expect him to be close to pre-injury form to start the season. Peterson is a beast for sure, but IMO his odds of starting the season on the PUP list are at least even money.

 

[meyerj31]

Assuming Charles stays healthy, I would assume him. He should have a six game head start.

I disagree. I think ADP comes back strong.

Strong right out of the gate in week one? Charles has a 3 or 4 month lead in the rehab process, with a less severe injury, and I wouldn't even expect him to be close to pre-injury form to start the season. Peterson is a beast for sure, but IMO his odds of starting the season on the PUP list are at least even money.

Sounds about right. The clincher for me is the huge head start in rehabilitation and the timing of the injuries. Not to mention it's less severe.

 

[rizzler]

All depends on Hillis

 

[Coeur de Lion]

All depends on Hillis

Wat?In his two years as a starter, Charles has been a stud RB on 13.5 carries/game. When 100%, he been one of the most dangerous players in NFL history (career YPC 6.1!!!!). Hillis will be a backup / COP guy if/when Charles is healthy. Charles' production will be 100% tied to his knee, and have zero to do with Peyton Hillis.

 

[Young 8]

In his two years as a starter, Charles has been....

Actually Thomas Jones was the starter

 

[Coeur de Lion]

In his two years as a starter, Charles has been....

Actually Thomas Jones was the starter

True - which actually proves my point. Hillis is no where near good enough to keep Charles (when healthy) from getting enough work to produce as a fantasy RB1 (which he has proven to be at around 17 touches / game). They're not even in the same league talent-wise. Unless he is the only healthy RB on a roster (like he happened to be in Cleveland in 2010) Hillis will never approach workhorse numbers again. He's just not that good. Decent all-around committee RB, but he's not a true lead RB type player.

 

[rizzler]

In his two years as a starter, Charles has been....

Actually Thomas Jones was the starter

True - which actually proves my point. Hillis is no where near good enough to keep Charles (when healthy) from getting enough work to produce as a fantasy RB1 (which he has proven to be at around 17 touches / game). They're not even in the same league talent-wise. Unless he is the only healthy RB on a roster (like he happened to be in Cleveland in 2010) Hillis will never approach workhorse numbers again. He's just not that good. Decent all-around committee RB, but he's not a true lead RB type player.

You're preaching to a monster Charles fan here.Hillis can run. He is better than Thomas Jones was 2yrs ago, and can do some heavy goalline damage. I just dont know what kind of role Hillis will have, and that, to me, makes a big difference when assessing AP and Charles.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Agree to disagree then. IMO Charles is pretty bullet-proof, as he has proven that he can be a fantasy-force even with a limited workload (no goal-line and 13.5 carries / week). He is good enough to get 13 carries a game pretty much no matter who KC brings in IMO. As a dynasty owner, I hope they keep him healthy long-term by continuing to let another RB take some of the pounding. I don't think he'd hold up with a Foster / Rice workload, nor would he be as explosive per touch. I'm totally good with multiple years of RB5 - RB10 production vs burning him out with a year or two of 350 touches.

 

[cstu]

The Vikings would be foolish to rush AP back so I expect him to start the season PUP. Charles will have had an entire year to recover and an a 6 game head start on Peterson so he should end up with more points. That said, if I had a team that could tide me over those 6 games (or Gerhart) I'd much rather have AP at the end of the year.

 

[Faust]

Peterson will be 'very surprised' if he doesn't play in opener

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Click on the linked article to see the video footage

Adrian Peterson is not a normal running back. So it's only fitting that the Minnesota Vikings held an abnormal media session for the team's best player on Wednesday.

Peterson, now more than four months removed from ACL and MCL surgery, worked out for Minnesota media on Wednesday. He was seen running without a brace on his knee. (Behold: Footage, courtesy of Tom Pelissero of ESPN1500.com.)

The four-time Pro Bowl selection said he would be "very surprised" if he doesn't play in Week 1. Vikings head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman wasn't making any promises.

"We will be realistic with his expectation. ... I’m not going to say with certainty that he’s going to play game one," Sugarman said.

Peterson estimated that he's only "50 percent" back to where he wants to be in terms of explosiveness and cutting ability. But he pointed out that he's been ahead of schedule with his rehabilitation since Day One.

"That first game against Jacksonville, I plan on being back and it will be disappointing if I’m not," Peterson said.

The Vikings have to be careful. Peterson has a chance to be one of the all-time greats and this isn't a season during which Minnesota will be contending for a championship. It's more important to preserve his long-term health for the seasons the Vikings are relevant again.

In the meantime, there's always Toby Gerhart.

 

[Faust]

Chiefs' Jamaal Charles 80 percent back from ACL tear

By Marc Sessler NFL.com

Writer

The Kansas City Chiefs never were the same last season after Jamaal Charles went down with a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee in Week 2. Granted, most teams aren't after losing their All-Pro running back for the season.

Charles has toiled away for the past eight months, rehabbing the knee, and says he's "80 percent" healed.

"If you're worried about me not being the same, just look for this year, look out for me and you'll see," Charles told the team's official website this week.

A thought: If Charles can return to form, Kansas City might have the most dangerous stable of backs in the AFC.

Along with Charles, the roster includes Dexter McCluster and Peyton Hillis. McCluster developed last season in Charles' absence, rushing for 516 yards in four starts. Hillis very publicly became an enigma with the Cleveland Browns in 2011, but who can forget the way he ran through defenses in 2010?

Make no mistake, Charles is the leading man here. After his 1,000-yard output in 2009, he broke out for 1,467 yards in 2010, proving the featured back role isn't dead. Not yet.

Charles understandably is impatient about returning to the field.

"I'm hungry, I want it this year," Charles said. "I've got the passion for it. I can be patient, but I just can't wait to play football. I can't wait to bring stuff back to this community and show how much we can win."

The Denver Broncos, of course, have absorbed all the attention in the AFC West, but the Chiefs won't be an easy encounter for teams in 2012 -- especially with Charles staring down defenses.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Ive never owned either, but I would be inclined to say Charles.

Though I expect ADP to have a higher A.D.P.

 

[Fat Nick]

Agree to disagree then. IMO Charles is pretty bullet-proof, as he has proven that he can be a fantasy-force even with a limited workload (no goal-line and 13.5 carries / week). He is good enough to get 13 carries a game pretty much no matter who KC brings in IMO. As a dynasty owner, I hope they keep him healthy long-term by continuing to let another RB take some of the pounding. I don't think he'd hold up with a Foster / Rice workload, nor would he be as explosive per touch. I'm totally good with multiple years of RB5 - RB10 production vs burning him out with a year or two of 350 touches.

Charles scares me...always has, even pre-injury. I just have issues with a top fantasy back who wasn't even technically the starter on his team. Do his per carry average numbers look good because he's good or is he good BECAUSE of his limited workload? (i.e. you can't take his 10-touch average and extrapolate it out to 20 touches a game) Fantasy doesn't give points for YPC average typically...he's got to get touches and do something with them to be worth the investment, and thus far, the only year he was slated for a heavier workload, he got hurt.The lack of goal-line carries isn't necessarily an upside potential I'd bank on. It's not like he's suddenly going to become the goal-line back. That'll likely be Hillis...Or honestly anyone but Charles. He's not a goal line back.I guess my thing with Charles is that if I had to choose between an RB with HUGE averages on limited carries, and one who grinds out yards on more carries, I'll take the grinder. In general, my fantasy strategy is touches = points.

 

[cstu]

Peterson will be 'very surprised' if he doesn't play in opener

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Click on the linked article to see the video footage

Adrian Peterson is not a normal running back. So it's only fitting that the Minnesota Vikings held an abnormal media session for the team's best player on Wednesday.

Peterson, now more than four months removed from ACL and MCL surgery, worked out for Minnesota media on Wednesday. He was seen running without a brace on his knee. (Behold: Footage, courtesy of Tom Pelissero of ESPN1500.com.)

The four-time Pro Bowl selection said he would be "very surprised" if he doesn't play in Week 1. Vikings head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman wasn't making any promises.

"We will be realistic with his expectation. ... I’m not going to say with certainty that he’s going to play game one," Sugarman said.

Peterson estimated that he's only "50 percent" back to where he wants to be in terms of explosiveness and cutting ability. But he pointed out that he's been ahead of schedule with his rehabilitation since Day One.

"That first game against Jacksonville, I plan on being back and it will be disappointing if I’m not," Peterson said.

The Vikings have to be careful. Peterson has a chance to be one of the all-time greats and this isn't a season during which Minnesota will be contending for a championship. It's more important to preserve his long-term health for the seasons the Vikings are relevant again.

In the meantime, there's always Toby Gerhart.

Please don't ruin him by rushing him back. I thought Edgerrin James rushed back too soon to start week 1 of 2002 (a little over 10 months from his ACL injury) and he ended having a poor season (3.6 YPC). There are few cases where RB's coming back after less than a year do well - Deuce McAllister came back after 11 months and had his usual season (4.3 YPC) although he tore an ACL again the following year. No matter how much AP wants to play, rushing one of the all time best RB's back after 9 months is irresponsible. Even if he misses 6 games that's nothing in the scheme of his entire career and very little for an ACL tear.

 

[beef]

Ill take charles over average draft position.

 

[Sebowski]

It's AP, AD, or AADP

 

[Sebowski]

Ill take charles over average draft position.