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Who would you build franchise around? (1 Viewer)
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Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I have to consider age into the equation:
Offense - Marcus McNeill
Defense - Shawne Merriman
(translation: The Chargers should be pretty good for a long time)
Offense - Marcus McNeill
Defense - Shawne Merriman
(translation: The Chargers should be pretty good for a long time)
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
Brady
Ed Reed
Ed Reed
Unbelievable.
SaintArnold
Footballguy
Exactly my answer. Best Oline + Best Dline.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
LT2 and Champ Bailey
Other notables would be Manning or Walter Jones and on defense I would say Kevin Williams (underrated in Minn) and Richard Seymour)
Other notables would be Manning or Walter Jones and on defense I would say Kevin Williams (underrated in Minn) and Richard Seymour)
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
LOL.... you do realize that Harris RUPTURED his hamstring, and may never be the same player ever again.Put me down for Brian Urlacher and LT2
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
And you both may be watching the playoffs WITH your two players you're building your franchise around.
newlycreated
Footballguy
M. Vick
B. Urlacher
B. Urlacher
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I cannot believe so many people are taking RB's over QB's on offense. Hasn't history shown that a very good or great QB is much more important than a very good or great RB (not counting the years where average QB's won Super Bowl's because of all-time great defenses, like the '85 Bears, the '00 Ravens, etc.)?
I would take Brady and Merriman.
I would take Brady and Merriman.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Vick. I know it sounds crazy at first, but the guy sells tickets and merchandise. He can run and pass so he will help at multiple dimensions. He has proven he can win with very limited talent surrounding him. Dunn was a solid, but unspectacular RB. Crumpler is talented, but has a problem with drops. Duckett, Norwood, Jenkins, White, and Finneran? These are borderline NFL players and certainly hold no responsibility for the success the Falcons have enjoyed over the last few years. Even the offensive line is average at best. Vick takes a lot of heat, but he has managed to turn a mediocre offense into a annual playoff contender.
Merriman. He is one of the best defensive players in the league and only in his 2nd year.
Merriman. He is one of the best defensive players in the league and only in his 2nd year.
yinzer
Footballguy
I would have to agree with Vick based on me winning the super bowl 3 years in a row on dynasty mode in MADDEN '06 with him as my QB and best playmaker on either side of the ball
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Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
Offense - Tom Brady -> QBs usually last much much longer then RBs. He has also proven he does not need a dominating O line to be effective. And as far as selling tickets an all-pro qb will fill a lot more seats then an all-pro LT. QB > RB or LT
Funny how no one mentioned a single WR even though many are highly paid and drafted early.
Defense - Shawne Merriman -> I would love to pick Ray Lewis here but he is just too old to build a franchise around. Merriman adds a great spark and will provide double digit sack totals for many years.
Funny how no one mentioned a single WR even though many are highly paid and drafted early.
Defense - Shawne Merriman -> I would love to pick Ray Lewis here but he is just too old to build a franchise around. Merriman adds a great spark and will provide double digit sack totals for many years.
yetiknight
Footballguy
I am shocked by the lack of insight in this thread.
Reasons for taking a running back or quarterback: selling tickets.
Reasons for taking a left tackle: winning.
A couple of years ago somebody did the research showing the impact of drafting a stud offensive lineman in the draft. We're talking about super bowls versus pro bowls.
I can accept the reason of selling tickets. But know that is what you are doing. If you think quarterbacks get drafted number one overall because teams are just trying to win you are way off base. The business side has to be taken into account. Out of all the quarterbacks taken first overall recently Manning and Palmer are the only ones earning that spot. And neither of them are likely to get a sniff of the super bowl without a great defense. BTW, they both also have above average left tackles.
Defensive lineman are just as valuable. How many people have noticed the difference between Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher when they don't have a formidable line, particularly at tackle, in front of them. Case and point, the best those defenses have ever been goes right along with the presence of Tony Siragussa, Sam Adams, Ted Washington and Tommie Harris. Ted Washington was a very large part of the second Patriots super bowl. He was also on the 2001 Bears squad that went 13-3 and were atop the league in defense.
Don't get me wrong. It is a team sport. And you have to look at the quarterback postion very early. But you need to start with your linemen. I thought this was common knowledge amongst football "experts".
Reasons for taking a running back or quarterback: selling tickets.
Reasons for taking a left tackle: winning.
A couple of years ago somebody did the research showing the impact of drafting a stud offensive lineman in the draft. We're talking about super bowls versus pro bowls.
I can accept the reason of selling tickets. But know that is what you are doing. If you think quarterbacks get drafted number one overall because teams are just trying to win you are way off base. The business side has to be taken into account. Out of all the quarterbacks taken first overall recently Manning and Palmer are the only ones earning that spot. And neither of them are likely to get a sniff of the super bowl without a great defense. BTW, they both also have above average left tackles.
Defensive lineman are just as valuable. How many people have noticed the difference between Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher when they don't have a formidable line, particularly at tackle, in front of them. Case and point, the best those defenses have ever been goes right along with the presence of Tony Siragussa, Sam Adams, Ted Washington and Tommie Harris. Ted Washington was a very large part of the second Patriots super bowl. He was also on the 2001 Bears squad that went 13-3 and were atop the league in defense.
Don't get me wrong. It is a team sport. And you have to look at the quarterback postion very early. But you need to start with your linemen. I thought this was common knowledge amongst football "experts".
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Agreed. You dominate the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. That's the path of least resistence to a consistent playoff contender. LT might just the most important position in football considering what he does on a play by play basis in protecting, for the most part, the blind side of the QB and run blocks on the other plays.I agreed with the Peppers choice because of his other-wordly skills, and similarly wouldn't mind Ware or Merriman for pretty much the same reason. I also think a very good argument could be made in plucking the best interior DT you can find into the center of your line. If you have a bull in the center sucking out a center and guard, and match him with an extremely mobil and smart MLB, you effectively eliminate an opposing running game if you execute properly.Shick! said:
Good posting.I would take W. Jones and, depending on my defensive scheme, Seymour or T. Harris. Either way I would take the best interior DL available and the best LT available.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
Walter Jones, Richard Seymour
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Peyton Manning - I honestly believe you could put this guy on any team and they would make the playoffs (the same cannot be said for Brady). Walter Jones (the one from '05) would be my 2nd choice.
Julius Peppers
Julius Peppers
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
LT2
Merriman
(And I'm not even a Chargers fan)
Merriman
(And I'm not even a Chargers fan)
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Wait a second!You think because DeAngelo Hall made the Pro Bowl that makes him good?Pro Bowl corner is not even remotely close? Ok. Shawn Springs?I agree on Jones, he'd be my second guy. But Hall is a very good player and one of the best corners in the league.
Turn in your playbook RIGHT NOW!
Hall in the Pro Bowl just shows you what a farce the Pro Bowl really is.
Watching Hall this year was pathetic. I don't think he could even cover you in a phonebooth.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Set aside the Superbowl MVPs, the comebacks, the career record or completion percentage, and the fact he's led the league in both yards and TDs.
Tom Brady has led his team to a top ten offense in every year but one despite changing quarterbacks coaches, offensive coordinators, offensive linemen, #1, #2, #3 receiver, running backs, and starting TEs throughout his career. I'm surprised people don't realize how much he's singlehandedly carried one of the top offenses in the league over the past six years. I don't know what else you'd be looking for in a player to start your team with.
Tom Brady has led his team to a top ten offense in every year but one despite changing quarterbacks coaches, offensive coordinators, offensive linemen, #1, #2, #3 receiver, running backs, and starting TEs throughout his career. I'm surprised people don't realize how much he's singlehandedly carried one of the top offenses in the league over the past six years. I don't know what else you'd be looking for in a player to start your team with.
