Who's better? (1 Viewer)

[Clifton]

In a start up Dynasty Eli is the clear choice here. I'm not sure it's really even that close. I think redrafters who take Eli over Peyton this year will be rewarded handsomely.

 

[dawrecker]

Still looking for votes.

I think the vote pretty much sounds like pats fans Eli everyone else Peyton. I know people from Boston have this odd complex that thinks they have to have Brady be the best QB no matter what. But he wouldnt have won yesterday and never had to win in a game like that, the defense was great, but for him all these years, but they discount all those quality defensive players. Now you want to vote that you have beaten a crappy player all those years, if you want to lessen your accomplishments that is fine by me you still lost to both Mannings in the playoffs in back to back years in the playoffs in some of the biggest choke jobs around and now the dolphins.

 

[bostonfred]

Still looking for votes.

I think the vote pretty much sounds like pats fans Eli everyone else Peyton. I know people from Boston have this odd complex that thinks they have to have Brady be the best QB no matter what. But he wouldnt have won yesterday and never had to win in a game like that, the defense was great, but for him all these years, but they discount all those quality defensive players. Now you want to vote that you have beaten a crappy player all those years, if you want to lessen your accomplishments that is fine by me you still lost to both Mannings in the playoffs in back to back years in the playoffs in some of the biggest choke jobs around and now the dolphins.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=425423Jaworski's from Boston?

 

[Koya]

Peyton. Ignore the stats. Eli Manning overthrows receivers like it's his job. He's unreliable, goes on HUGE cold stretches, is inaccurate, and doesn't make good decisions. He's one of the worst regular starting QBs in the league (i.e. not QBs who are stop-gap solutions, journeymen, lame ducks, or emergency options). He also happened to luck into guys like Tiki Barber to carry his team early on, and guys like Osi/Strahan/Tuck to win him a championship. Doesn't mean he's a better player, though.

He won without Tiki, and it confounds me how anyone who knows football and actually watched the Giants Super Bowl run could actually claim that "other guys" won that Super Bowl as if Eli was not one of the most integral parts and arguably (and probably) their single best player throughout the entire run.Yes, in the Super Bowl, the D Line was the best unit. You could argue it was the best unit throughout the playoffs... arguable.

But the single best player for that Super Bowl team over those 4 games was Eli. Key plays at key times, four weeks in a row and until the Super Bowl, not even a TO.

Doesnt make him better than Peyton, but two parting shots:

(1) Those who discount what Eli did last year either dont know football or werent watching the games. You can call it a four game stretch if you want, but that four games was great, winning QB play.

(2) While on the surface its a bit silly to compare Peyton and Eli, (a) when examined closer, in terms of both early in their careers, you'd be foolish NOT to at least give some pause to Eli. The guy may not have the regular season stats, and yes he did have a better defense, but Eli has been far better in big games than he has been over. Peyton? Even to this day you can argue he is the opposite, and more so early in his career. (b) the imo ridiculous comments like "oh, marino or fiedler (i dont even remember how to spell his name) are just that. Not sure if someone wants to get a rise with such comments or what. Takes away from an interesting take that might have a little more creedence than we would on the surface give it.

 

[Clifton]

Eli>Peyton

Was just a matter of time. Many Sharks saw this developing last year.

 

[Koya]

In a start up Dynasty Eli is the clear choice here. I'm not sure it's really even that close. I think redrafters who take Eli over Peyton this year will be rewarded handsomely.

If you were drafting a real time you might give some more thought to Eli (though I think you'd be crazy... Id still take Peyton as a GM, and maybe thats he problem here)... but for fantasy? Not even close... you still have 5 years of Peyton and his numbers dwarf elis overall. Does Eli have 30+ TD upside?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Still looking for votes.

I think the vote pretty much sounds like pats fans Eli everyone else Peyton. I know people from Boston have this odd complex that thinks they have to have Brady be the best QB no matter what. But he wouldnt have won yesterday and never had to win in a game like that, the defense was great, but for him all these years, but they discount all those quality defensive players. Now you want to vote that you have beaten a crappy player all those years, if you want to lessen your accomplishments that is fine by me you still lost to both Mannings in the playoffs in back to back years in the playoffs in some of the biggest choke jobs around and now the dolphins.

The Patriots didn't choke, they were outplayed on the offensive and defensive line. I didn't see anyone choke on the Patriots, the Giants made some remarkable plays.I do think comparing Peyton Manning when he's playing injured right now is a little unfair though.Right now, Kyle Orton is better than Tom Brady. When healthy, I'm very confident that Peyton Manning is a better football player than Eli Manning.

 

[Clifton]

In a start up Dynasty Eli is the clear choice here. I'm not sure it's really even that close. I think redrafters who take Eli over Peyton this year will be rewarded handsomely.

If you were drafting a real time you might give some more thought to Eli (though I think you'd be crazy... Id still take Peyton as a GM, and maybe thats he problem here)... but for fantasy? Not even close... you still have 5 years of Peyton and his numbers dwarf elis overall. Does Eli have 30+ TD upside?

No, Eli has actually developed more quickly than Peyton. Go back and look at the numbers. Eli is the clear choice here.

 

[dawrecker]

Still looking for votes.

I think the vote pretty much sounds like pats fans Eli everyone else Peyton. I know people from Boston have this odd complex that thinks they have to have Brady be the best QB no matter what. But he wouldnt have won yesterday and never had to win in a game like that, the defense was great, but for him all these years, but they discount all those quality defensive players. Now you want to vote that you have beaten a crappy player all those years, if you want to lessen your accomplishments that is fine by me you still lost to both Mannings in the playoffs in back to back years in the playoffs in some of the biggest choke jobs around and now the dolphins.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=425423Jaworski's from Boston?

already saw that article, clearly trying to get some hits on a website. Either way apparently you are just lucky that Eli wasnt born first then. The pats wouldnt have had a chance to even win a single championship if they would have been playing a better qb.

 

[Finless]

In a start up Dynasty Eli is the clear choice here. I'm not sure it's really even that close. I think redrafters who take Eli over Peyton this year will be rewarded handsomely.

I guess to a certain extent the jury it still out but this looks to be right on the mark.

 

[horadadude]

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Chase - did Eli have Wayne or Harrison or even Dallas Clark. Wasnt the Colts defense one of the best against the pass over the last few years. Eli will be better but he is close right now. Fiedler or Marino sounds like you dont know anything about football and you are an obvious Eli hater....

 

[blake]

Eli still can't carry Peytons jock and most likely never will.

i would heavily lean towards never will.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Peyton. Ignore the stats. Eli Manning overthrows receivers like it's his job. He's unreliable, goes on HUGE cold stretches, is inaccurate, and doesn't make good decisions. He's one of the worst regular starting QBs in the league (i.e. not QBs who are stop-gap solutions, journeymen, lame ducks, or emergency options). He also happened to luck into guys like Tiki Barber to carry his team early on, and guys like Osi/Strahan/Tuck to win him a championship. Doesn't mean he's a better player, though.

SSOG, I said you were wrong about Eli before the playoffs, I said you were wrong about Eli after the SB and I still say you are wrong about Eli. He is a VERY smart QB, he routinely throws balls away after reading through his progressions, he makes some very good passes and also makes some innaccurate ones. However, he is tough as nails and has a short memory and doesn't squeeze during pressure.My quote BEFORE the playoffs is the same for Eli, "he is an above average QB (around 10th)"

 

[Manster]

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Peyton>>>>>>>>>>>EliEli's situation right now>>>>Peyton's situation right now

 

[Koya]

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Peyton>>>>>>>>>>>EliEli's situation right now>>>>Peyton's situation right now

While I do agree that Peyton is still considerably ahead, I no longer see how anyone can say that without a major qualification... namely, if the Eli that we have seen over his past 10 or so games is the real Eli going forward we have a FAR better QB than we have given credit for.Now, lets say that he is not quite "this" good, but also considerably better than his really erratic sometimes great, sometimes awful play in the past seasons. I dont know if its about situation - Eli took a lesser situation last year than Peyton had during years Peyton choked in the playoffs, and Eli rose to the occasion time and time again during the playoffs and SB. While Peyton might be more "skilled" the gap between who would be the better QB is considerably closer.The situation RIGHT NOW might favor Eli, but Eli did more with a team that had less than some Peyton teams, when Peyton couldnt come through. And again, if Eli really has turned the corner and this is the QB we will see 85-90% of the time we have a new true star on our hands (but, as a Giants fan, I am not quite ready to annoint that - Im happy with a guy that is a little less inconsistent, but uber money when it counts).

 

[Despyzer]

While I do agree that Peyton is still considerably ahead, I no longer see how anyone can say that without a major qualification..

You're right. Here's the qualifier: Peyton has been dealing with a lingering injury that was bad enough to keep him out of all pre-season action.

 

[Zeff]

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This is why staff shouldn't get snarky. Site looking like a bunch of rubes this AM because of this #### being dug up.