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WHO'S ON YOUR ALL-TIME TEAM? (1 Viewer)

spider321

spider321

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Figured it would be fun to get some more discussion going about the all-time greats. *starters bolded

QB - Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino

RB- Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Walter Payton

WR - Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Don Hutson, Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens

TE - Rob Gronkowski, Tony Gonzalez

T - Anthony Munoz, Jonathan Ogden

G - John Hannah, Larry Allen

C - Mike Webster

DT - Mean Joe Green, J.J. Watt, Merlin Olsen, Alan Page

DE - Reggie White, Deacon Jones, Bruce Smith, Michael Strahan

MLB - **** Butkus, Ray Lewis, Jack Lambert

OLB - Lawrence Taylor, Junior Seau, Derrick Thomas, Derrick Brooks

CB - Deion Sanders, Night Train Lane, Mel Blount, Champ Bailey

S - Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed, Paul Krause, Troy Polamalu

K - Adam Vinatieri

P - Ray Guy

KR/PR - Devin Hester

Notes:
- Calvin probably doesn't have the numbers, but I'm not going to leave him off "my" squad
- Yes, Watt plays 3-4 DE, but I want him on the field
- Imo, Champ is criminally underrated.  In his prime, he was a shutdown corner AND a great tackler in run support(unlike most corners)

Who is on your all time squad?

 
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Can't argue against too many. 

I'll take Bruce Mathews over Larry allen (good choice but I like Bruce).

It's tempting to take Marvin over Calvin but I can't do it.  

I'll take Tom over Peyton.

Because it's my team,  I'm taking Tomlinson over Payton. Despite that being unpopular.  And charles Woodson over ed reed.

 
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No doubt that is one hell of team. The missing link is Sean Taylor. This coming from an Eagles fan.

Can't go wrong with Brian Dawkins either.

 
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Two guys that have to make the team are Mike Haynes and Charles Woodson.

Haynes may be the best CB I have ever seen in tecnical terms, a pure joy to watch at the position and one of the few guys that could have dominated across eras given his size, athleticism, skill combination. IMO the most under-rated DB in the history of the NFL. Maybe player when it comes to these lists.

Charles Woodson should make this list based on his level of play in his 30's. It is shocking. If we ever find out one NFL player turned out to be a cyborg sent from the future..... it would be Woodson. Nearly two decades playing at or near an All-Pro level?

 
Charles Woodson could be signed by the packers today and still be their best defensive back.  I still can't believe they let him go.  Huge mistake by Ted.  The defensive backfield cost them the game against Seattle two years ago, and cost them against the Cards this last year.  

 
QB: Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Greg Cook

RB: E.Smith, M. Faulk

FB: J.Brown, E.Campbell, Lorenzo Neal

TE: Gronk, S.Sharpe

WR: J.Rice, R.Moss, L. Fitzgerold, C.Carter, A. Johnson

T: Munoz, Ogden

G:J.Kramer, L.Allen

C:M.Webster

DE: R.White, B.Smith, M.Strahan, C.Haley

DT: A.Paige, B.Lilly, MJ, Greene

OLB: L.Taylor, D.Thomas, D.Brooks, D.Ware

MLB: R.Lewis, D.Butkus, M.Singletary

CB: D.Sanders, R.Woodson, D.Green, D.Revis

S: R.Lott, E.Reed, P. Krause

P: R.Guy

K: A.Vinatieri

 
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I'm going to assume you are a Cowboys' fan, with the Emmitt pick.

Who are your receivers?

Not saying you're wrong, but Singletary over Lambert and Nitschke?

I always loved watching Derrick Brooks play, going all the way back to his college days.  I don't recall FSU's opponent that day, but they had 1st and goal on the 1 yard line.  Brooks made three tackles in a row, and the 3rd one was made by hitting the opposing running back in midair over the top of the linemen.

Revis would still demand to be paid 5 times more than any other player on the team.

 
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Skeletore Eh said:
I understand the reasoning behind don Hutson, but in reality he couldn't hold TO or calvins jock
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Someday, people will say the same thing about Jerry Rice, Larry Bird, Wayne Gretzky, etc, and it will be up to us old folks to correct them.

Heck, I've already seen kids that don't know any better around here saying things like that about Rice.

 
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Skeletore Eh said:
I understand the reasoning behind don Hutson, but in reality he couldn't hold TO or calvins jock
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Could Owens or Johnson intercept about four passes every year and play 60 minutes? 

It is almost silly to compare eras. Hutson dominated when he played and was an all time great. 

 
spider321 said:
I'm going to assume you are a Cowboys' fan, with the Emmitt pick.

Who are your receivers?

Not saying you're wrong, but Singletary over Lambert and Nitschke?

I always loved watching Derrick Brooks play, going all the way back to his college days.  I don't recall FSU's opponent that day, but they had 1st and goal on the 1 yard line.  Brooks made three tackles in a row, and the 3rd one was made by hitting the opposing running back in midair over the top of the linemen.

Revis would still demand to be paid 5 times more than any other player on the team.
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Im a Cowboys fan for sure but just fundamentally believe in north/south runners as evidence by my FB selections.

Added my WRs. Its really hard to limit yourself to just 5 or 6.

Singletary was a liability in pass coverage but brings the same leadership qualities and positional intelligence that Ray Lewis brings. Both Nitschke and Lambert were considered and I could easily pick one of them the next time we do this exercise.

 
Captain Cranks said:
This is the first time I'm seeing JJ Watt labeled as a DT.  
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Jim Brown was not what we would call a FB today, yet that was his listed position.

Historically speaking, the 3-4 defense is fairly new, and the "3-4 DE" Is somewhat of a hybrid between the traditional DE and the traditional DT.

Also, the issue was already addressed in my notes.

 
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Fariq said:
Could Owens or Johnson intercept about four passes every year and play 60 minutes? 

It is almost silly to compare eras. Hutson dominated when he played and was an all time great. 
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When intercepting passes and playing 60 minutes has anything to do with being one of the best wr of all time let me know.

It it is silly to compare eras because the athletes of today's game are simply at another level

 
spider321 said:
Someday, people will say the same thing about Jerry Rice, Larry Bird, Wayne Gretzky, etc, and it will be up to us old folks to correct them.

Heck, I've already seen kids that don't know any better around here saying things like that about Rice.
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Kinda poor examples considering Hutson was in a different era of athlete from these guys 

heck, no one's even sniffed the numbers Gretzky put up. Probably never will

 
FUBAR said:
I'll get blasted for this but Eddie George was every bit as good a RB as Emmitt was.  Circumstances make all the difference. 
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I doubt you'll be criticized for it, but I will for disagreeing. 

Emmitt produced. He produced in HS, college and the pros. There were a dozen backs brought in over the years and none of them produced. Emmitt was clutch. He was a smart, tough, durable, every down back. He could run between the tackles, the edge, he'll always get the yards you need, could catch, was devastating as a pass blocker and made people miss.

From 1992-1996 the holes were there and he ran through them. Moose was hurt in 97 and all but gone in 98. From 97-2002 I watched him get by with vision and guile. His FB, Robert Thomas missed 95% of his blocks. No hyperbole. He danced his way to roughly another 7k yards those last few years in Dallas. 

When the line and team was assembled he did what he was supposed to do, beasted. It's popular to say other backs would have done better, really, how much better cause he put up insane numbers those years. Little room to improve on them. 

Anyway, you guys take whoever you want and speculate on how they would do. I know Emmitt will produce and stay on the field even if hurt. Trust me, the drop off from any back you choose over Emmitt won't be that significant that it will matter. 

 
QB - Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Tom Brady

RB - Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Gale Sayers

WR - Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Don Hutson, Steve Largent, Lance Alworth

TE - Tony Gonzalez, John Mackey

T - Anthony Munoz, Ron Mix, Jim Parker, Forrest Gregg

G - John Hannah, Bruce Matthews, Larry Allen, Randall McDaniel

C - Jim Otto, Mike Webster

DT - Randy White, Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, John Randle

DE - Reggie White, Deacon Jones, J.J. Watt, Gino Marchetti

OLB - Lawrence Taylor, Junior Seau, Jack Ham, Derrick Brooks

MLB - Ray Lewis, Mike Singletary, Joe Schmidt

CB - Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Willie Brown, Aeneas Williams 

SS - Ronnie Lott, Kenny Easley

FS - Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins

PK - Morten Andersen

P - Shane Lechler

KR - Gale Sayers

PR - Gale Sayers

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I doubt you'll be criticized for it, but I will for disagreeing. 

Emmitt produced. He produced in HS, college and the pros. There were a dozen backs brought in over the years and none of them produced. Emmitt was clutch. He was a smart, tough, durable, every down back. He could run between the tackles, the edge, he'll always get the yards you need, could catch, was devastating as a pass blocker and made people miss.

From 1992-1996 the holes were there and he ran through them. Moose was hurt in 97 and all but gone in 98. From 97-2002 I watched him get by with vision and guile. His FB, Robert Thomas missed 95% of his blocks. No hyperbole. He danced his way to roughly another 7k yards those last few years in Dallas. 

When the line and team was assembled he did what he was supposed to do, beasted. It's popular to say other backs would have done better, really, how much better cause he put up insane numbers those years. Little room to improve on them. 

Anyway, you guys take whoever you want and speculate on how they would do. I know Emmitt will produce and stay on the field even if hurt. Trust me, the drop off from any back you choose over Emmitt won't be that significant that it will matter. 
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Emmitt could catch but he lacks the speed/quickness/agility to be among the true elite.   He'd catch enough but he rarely got far after catching the ball.  Eddie wasn't a quick guy either but somehow he managed to get more yards consistently.  Maybe it was just how they were used but one thing I remember thinking when watching Emmitt was that while he was great and if I needed 3 yards, there probably wasn't a rb I'd rather give the ball to (though Eddie is close), but he never seemed quick or agile.  Of course, I grew up near Detroit and loved watching Barry play so that might have biased my view. 

Fwiw, I'm not taking Eddie on the team either. 

 
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I must be in the tiny minority that doesn't put Deion Sanders in my top four CBs, definitely not top two. He could cover, granted, but as mostly a non-tackler, I just wouldn't rank him that highly. I'd go Woodson and Woodson (Charles and Rod) over him, for sure.

 
pecorino said:
I must be in the tiny minority that doesn't put Deion Sanders in my top four CBs, definitely not top two. He could cover, granted, but as mostly a non-tackler, I just wouldn't rank him that highly. I'd go Woodson and Woodson (Charles and Rod) over him, for sure.
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Maybe it's recency bias but while if I'd take the Woodson duo at S, I don't think I'd take them as corners.   Or maybe just make the scheme work like Arizona (honey badger) where charles would play both. 

 
Skeletore Eh said:
Kinda poor examples considering Hutson was in a different era of athlete from these guys 

heck, no one's even sniffed the numbers Gretzky put up. Probably never will
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Actually, it's kinda perfect examples considering that these guys are from "our" era.  Although, your lack of perspective does lead me to believe you are pretty young.

Future generations will question the talent of all 3 players I listed, and every other player today, because the athletes then will be "at another level".

...just as you did with Hutson.

 
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Skeletore Eh said:
When intercepting passes and playing 60 minutes has anything to do with being one of the best wr of all time let me know.

It it is silly to compare eras because the athletes of today's game are simply at another level
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Hutson was at another level then as well.  Not really fair to say he couldn't excel now.  He kicked the #### out of the competition.  

 
Since the "era" and "today's athlete" arguments have come in, I'll go relative to era. In other words, dominance during that era might be the only concern in selection. Other than that, I'm just going with those I believe were the best where bench limitations are a concern. Like Gronk and Gonzalez, leaving the older era tight ends off of the list.  Also, at positions that I believe to be interchangeable, I've just picked the best in the broader category, e.g., OL and S. 

OL - Anthony Munoz, Jonathan Ogden, Russ Grimm, Larry Allen, Jim Otto, Bruce Matthews, Dermontti Dawson, John Hannah, Orlando Pace, Wilie Roaf

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, Tom Brady

RB - Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Marshawn Lynch, Marshall Faulk

WR - Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson, Lynn Swann, Lance Alworth, Randy Moss

TE - Rob Gronkowski, Tony Gonzalez

DE/T - J.J. Watt, Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Michael Strahan, Howie Long, Charles Haley, Warren Sapp

OLB - Lawrence Taylor, Andre Tippett, Derrick Thomas, Junior Seau

MLB - Ray Lewis, Harry Carson

CB - Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Darrelle Revis, Mike Haynes, Rod Woodson, **** "Night Train" Lane

S - Ed Reed, Ronnie Lott, Troy Polamalu, Brian Dawkins

P - Ray Guy

K - Stephen Gostkowski (I'm not kidding here)

KR - Gale Sayers 

PR - Devin Hester

ST - Steve Tasker also, @Steve Tasker has great taste in music

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
QB: Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Greg Cook

RB: E.Smith, M. Faulk

FB: J.Brown, E.Campbell, Lorenzo Neal

TE: Gronk, S.Sharpe

WR: J.Rice, R.Moss, L. Fitzgerold, C.Carter, A. Johnson

T: Munoz, Ogden

G:J.Kramer, L.Allen

C:M.Webster

DE: R.White, B.Smith, M.Strahan, C.Haley

DT: A.Paige, B.Lilly, MJ, Greene

OLB: L.Taylor, D.Thomas, D.Brooks, D.Ware

MLB: R.Lewis, D.Butkus, M.Singletary

CB: D.Sanders, R.Woodson, D.Green, D.Revis

S: R.Lott, E.Reed, P. Krause

P: R.Guy

K: A.Vinatieri
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FTR, I like the Emmitt pick.  He gets a lot of criticism for a strong supporting cast and his longevity (odd, right?) but he was a durable, productive back and you can't argue with 21,500 yards from scrimmage and 175 TDs.  A few SBs doesn't hurt the resume either.

 
Of all the running backs I have ever watched, none was better than Earl Campbell was in his first three seasons.

 
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Some key positions:

QB Montana/Brady/P Manning

RB Jim Brown/Payton/Sanders/Campbell

WR Rice/Moss/Alworth/Ca. Johnson/Ju. Jones

TE Gronk/Gonzalez/Bavaro

DE/DT Randy White/Re White/Alan Page/Deacon Jones/Lee Roy Selmon/Watt

LB Butkus/LT/Nitschke/Ted Hendricks/Kuechly/Derrick Brooks

DB Prime Time/Mi Haynes/Da Green/Lott/Woodson/Polamula/Ed Reed

K Stenerud/Vinatieri

P Guy

KR/PR Hester/Sayers/Eric Metcalf

 
spider321 said:
?

A.J. Green has 11 more TD's over the same 5 seasons.
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You're right, Julio sucks, what was I thinking...perhaps it's the 240 rec/3464yds past 2 seasons.

**The current players I used were players who I would expect to be on this list when their careers are done.**

 
Never said Julio sucks.

Both are well on their way to HOF careers, but through 5 seasons, Green has been slightly better.

 
spider321 said:
Never said Julio sucks.

Both are well on their way to HOF careers, but through 5 seasons, Green has been slightly better.
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Recs/yds are a wash, TDs favor Green.  Last two years  I believe Antonio Brown has been the best WR but I think Julio has made a strong case as being #2 and going forward I like Julio to have a better 2nd half of his career.  Personally, going forward I think Julio is in the conversation for being the best WR in football while I don't think will be.

 
I think you have to separate pre- and post-Super Bowl era players in any talk about rankings and even that's getting to be a stretch.

Here's my Super Bowl Era roster if I have to play my team vs your team.

QB - Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Dan Marino
RB - Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson
WR - Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens
TE Antonio Gates, Rob Gronkowski, Tony Gonzalez
OT - Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden, Mike Munoz, Art Shell
OG - Gene Upshaw, Randall McDaniel, John Hannah, Larry Allen
C - Mike Webster, Bruce Matthews
 
DE - Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Deacon Jones, Charles Haley,
DT - John Randle, Alan Page, Randy White, Joe Greene, JJ Watt
LB - Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary, Ray Lewis, Jack Lambert, Derrick Brooks
CB - Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Mel Blount, Rod Woodson,
S - Ronnie Lott, Charles Woodson, Ed Reed
 
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