Who's sitting Randy Moss this week? (1 Viewer)

[Instinctive]

That's on Brady not him. Welker didn't have a big game either. I saw Brady miss Moss several times in the second half.

Wait, so Moss isn't a jump ball specialist anymore? You mean QB's can't chuck the the ball in his general vicinity and not expect him to come down with it anymore? Interesting

I feel this means you obviously didn't have the Pats Jets game in your area, because I typically don't see posts this moronically underinformed from you...Moss never got a jump ball from Brady, he was underthrown on more than one occasion, and then when he totally burned Cromartie and had a free shot to the endzone while the safety didn't have the angle to catch him...Brady overthrew it by about 6 yards.I'm not sure what was up with Brady, he really missed everyone not named Hernandez a lot more than usual. Poor second half from the golden boy.

Moronically underinformed? Stay classy guy.Oh, and when the bait is that obvious, maybe you should swim on rather than going with petty insults...

I should have figured you would focus in on that. Don' get off on that kind of response. No bait, I don't play the stupid look at me message board ####, I like to actually figure out others' views on players and see if I have a process wrong and can make it better. As a poster, I have typically found you to be a guy who has good thoughts and backs it up well, and to see a post that makes me think you absolutely didn't watch the game and simply felt the need to inject a random sarcastic jump ball comment makes me wonder if you're simply bored and needed something to do, or if I completely misinterpreted the game that I know I watched.Instead of focusing on the fact that I did feel your post came from a person who lacked intelligence, which is the reason it set off an alarm bell in my head because, if you read around those two words, I feel that you usually have good points, I thought it would make sense to question you. That single post came off that way to me. Get off your high horse with the classy act and grow some thicker skin. Did you or did you not watch the game? If so, were there jump balls that I totally didn't see, or am I correct in asserting that you didn't watch the game and just needed to post something sarcastic when the cause was in fact that Brady was woefully off target multiple times?ETA: Before simply posting yet another sarcastic response, read the bulk of the post. And then try to respond with substance and comprehend. I keep re-reading my quote, and I thought it was fairly obvious that I was discussing your post, and not you, as such it wouldn't be an insult. Or am I reading my own quote incorrectly? I typically do everything I can to keep the topic on posts themselves and what's in them, I do what I can to ignore who is saying what unless they have proven to be an above or below average poster (e.g SSOG, F&L, EBF I listen to more closely while Homer and LHUCKS I pretty generally scan but mostly ignore excepting the rare occasions one of them actually brings up some type of reasoning rather than opinion.)

 

[TheFanatic]

That's on Brady not him. Welker didn't have a big game either. I saw Brady miss Moss several times in the second half.

Wait, so Moss isn't a jump ball specialist anymore? You mean QB's can't chuck the the ball in his general vicinity and not expect him to come down with it anymore? Interesting

I feel this means you obviously didn't have the Pats Jets game in your area, because I typically don't see posts this moronically underinformed from you...Moss never got a jump ball from Brady, he was underthrown on more than one occasion, and then when he totally burned Cromartie and had a free shot to the endzone while the safety didn't have the angle to catch him...Brady overthrew it by about 6 yards.I'm not sure what was up with Brady, he really missed everyone not named Hernandez a lot more than usual. Poor second half from the golden boy.

Moronically underinformed? Stay classy guy.Oh, and when the bait is that obvious, maybe you should swim on rather than going with petty insults...

I should have figured you would focus in on that. Don' get off on that kind of response. No bait, I don't play the stupid look at me message board ####, I like to actually figure out others' views on players and see if I have a process wrong and can make it better. As a poster, I have typically found you to be a guy who has good thoughts and backs it up well, and to see a post that makes me think you absolutely didn't watch the game and simply felt the need to inject a random sarcastic jump ball comment makes me wonder if you're simply bored and needed something to do, or if I completely misinterpreted the game that I know I watched.Instead of focusing on the fact that I did feel your post came from a person who lacked intelligence, which is the reason it set off an alarm bell in my head because, if you read around those two words, I feel that you usually have good points, I thought it would make sense to question you. That single post came off that way to me. Get off your high horse with the classy act and grow some thicker skin. Did you or did you not watch the game? If so, were there jump balls that I totally didn't see, or am I correct in asserting that you didn't watch the game and just needed to post something sarcastic when the cause was in fact that Brady was woefully off target multiple times?ETA: Before simply posting yet another sarcastic response, read the bulk of the post. And then try to respond with substance and comprehend. I keep re-reading my quote, and I thought it was fairly obvious that I was discussing your post, and not you, as such it wouldn't be an insult. Or am I reading my own quote incorrectly? I typically do everything I can to keep the topic on posts themselves and what's in them, I do what I can to ignore who is saying what unless they have proven to be an above or below average poster (e.g SSOG, F&L, EBF I listen to more closely while Homer and LHUCKS I pretty generally scan but mostly ignore excepting the rare occasions one of them actually brings up some type of reasoning rather than opinion.)

I'm not going to get into an argument over this. It was more tongue in cheek than anything. Not sure how you quantify Moss' ability to somehow track down balls that are in his general direction that somehow comes down with, and with even higher percentage in the endzone. Maybe it's a product of the ESPN Society we live in where we only see the highlight and not what really happens. Sort of like where the Reggie Bush hype came from that lasted way too long. Show the amazing play, but don't show the three other ones where he gets stuffed behind the line.I only caught snippets of the game. The play where Cromartie intercepted the ball, I though, "How the hell did Moss allow the Defender to get the drop on that ball? This is Moss who just ran past Revis and caught a TD with one hand." And that's the problem. Moss does amazing things but is by no means superman. Cromartie being in the position to make the pick was more luck than anything. I'm pretty sure Cromartie had no idea that Brady overthrew the ball and he was going to get a airborn present. Then again, maybe the ball wasn't overthrown. Maybe Moss lost a fraction of a second of speed that over however many yards he ran on that play put him two steps short of where he was supposed to be? Who knows.The lesson here is pretty clear in that Moss is not immortal, infallible, or an absolute must start every week. Sometimes he's going to have down games. I own the guy in my office league and hope he has very few of them. This week I rolled the dice with Eddie Royal over him and won which sounds friggin crazy but it happened and it was based on his track record against these guys.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

 

[Instinctive]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

Remember 2007? That offseason was that point man...

 

[Nightly Mistake]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

Remember 2007? That offseason was that point man...

He's still top 10-ranked, so no, not any more than that was Brady's high point. I'm talking about selling before the significant career decline, e.g. as has happened with TO in the last couple of years, and as happened with Marvin Harrison the last couple of years of his career. .

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

Did you see the one handed catch?He is still beating corners deep, and is more involved in the short game than he was earlier in his career.Moss has made it abundantly clear that either NE pays him or he will be playing somewhere else next year (or whenever football comes back).I would think dynasty owners would stand pat this year at a minimum, but it all depends on what you can get for him obviously.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

Did you see the one handed catch?He is still beating corners deep, and is more involved in the short game than he was earlier in his career.

Moss has made it abundantly clear that either NE pays him or he will be playing somewhere else next year (or whenever football comes back).

I would think dynasty owners would stand pat this year at a minimum, but it all depends on what you can get for him obviously.

Yes, and so do my potential trade partners. I'm a big believer in trading a year early rather than a year late. Maybe it's all speculation, but what I'm trying to figure out whether he's got one more good year or four more.

 

[Instinctive]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

Remember 2007? That offseason was that point man...

He's still top 10-ranked, so no, not any more than that was Brady's high point. I'm talking about selling before the significant career decline, e.g. as has happened with TO in the last couple of years, and as happened with Marvin Harrison the last couple of years of his career. .

The nature of the beast in dynasty is that we still rank guys like Moss and Wayne highly, but you wouldn't get that value for them in a trade. People drastically overvalue age, and so while they say he's a top 10 guy...he gets drafted as late as the 5th round, at least in a couple FBG dynasty startups I did this year...2007 was seriously his high point. As soon as Brady got hurt and he put up a "normal" elite WR year and then again last season, people (just like with Wayne) began paying more attention to the number next to his name in the player profile as opposed to the stats he still puts up and his awesome talent. You can't get fair trade value for him, and the closest you can get is a playoff caliber team that needs a WR to put them over the top.ETA: you'd be best served having this discussion in the Dynasty Rankings thread anyway

 

[Christo]

At what point do you sell high with Moss in dynasty? Have we reached that point?

High is gone. Best case scenario a contender in your league wants to grab him for a playoff run.

 

[captain_amazing]

IMO from watching the game, Brady was not as terrible as his stats show. Most of his in completions were dropped balls put in an area where only his receivers could get them, while only a few were pretty bad throws.

IMO, Moss had a pretty terrible game, minus that one spectacular throw. He dropped two important catch-able throws.

On Brady's 1st interception, Brady looked for Welker, who messed up his route (from what I understand), so he automatically went for his second target, which was Moss. If you watched the replay, Moss slowed his route half-way through, not expecting the ball to come his way, and when it did he tried to turn-it-on but was horribly beaten (that doesn't excuse Brady, who just shouldn't have thrown that ball).

The 2nd interception was in his vicinity (definitely not in the best area for the position he was in, in regards to Cromartie's coverage and the sidelines) and was another catch-able ball that he bobbled, and was eventually picked off.

I think Moss will bounce back against Buffalo, but will have low-end WR1 high-end WR2 stats. I don't think it will be anything spectacular.

 

[kdt]

Two catches for 38 yards and a TD. Seems like Moss performed up to his average against the Jets. Starting Royal over Moss worked out for me. Mark Clayton would've worked as well. Always start your studs unless there is so much statistical evidence saying that sometimes, even the studs are mortal.

you were very close to sitting an additional 70yard td bomb there

He also had one picked right in front of him. Woulda, shoulda, coulda still got the guy a whopping 9 points in non PPR's and 11 in PPR's. Oh, and he didn't have a single catch against Cromartie after Revis left the game...

the first cromartie one? what can he do there? i saw that play, welker messed up his route so he tossed it to moss (who was covered).or the second? the one he was trying to catch and subsequently got bearhugged until the safety came over?they weren't start calling even half the holds/illegal contacts on cro too.overall the team stank. if only they burn butler more deep, then the pat O can come back quicker