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This really is a very valid argument for taking LT. Until he's truly unseated he's still the best RB.Only problem is last season for two games I saw an RB with the potential to take down the champ. Will it happen this season? Not exactly sure but AP is just sick. It should happen sometime in the next couple years.
In Jamal Lewis's 2nd season he ran for 295-2, 205-2, 180-3, 134-1, 132-1, 131, 125, 117, 115-1, 114-1, 111-1, 101, 91, 78-1, 69-1, and 68 for a total of 2066-14. His next 200 yard game was 4 years later. Just sayin...
My point is that Jamal had a much better season than ADP did and had huge games. Just because a guy has huge games doesn't mean he'll have them in the future. Sometimes players just hit teams at the right times and put together an unreal season. The eye roll is unnecessary.If you take away Jamal Lewis' best season it really hurts his career numbers.
Is it too late to take it back?My point is that Jamal had a much better season than ADP did and had huge games. Just because a guy has huge games doesn't mean he'll have them in the future.The eye roll is unnecessary.If you take away Jamal Lewis' best season it really hurts his career numbers.
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Is it too late to take it back?My point is that Jamal had a much better season than ADP did and had huge games. Just because a guy has huge games doesn't mean he'll have them in the future.The eye roll is unnecessary.If you take away Jamal Lewis' best season it really hurts his career numbers.friends ?
One of the reasons I brought up the Jamal comparison. Jamal was derailed in large part due to injuries and ADP had an injury rap coming into the league and then suffered a knee injury last year. I'm not in the injury prediction business but to me it's common sense the more you initiate contact and if you play a physical RB style you tend to get banged up more.
I'm sorry, but Jamal != AP in terms of talent.For me, it's not eve close to being about the numbers when considering AP. And I'm a big #'s and stats person. For me, it's watching the guy on the field. There is something special about him and I hope we get to enjoy a long, fruitful career of his. If those two 200+ yd games were only 130 yds, I'd feel the exact same way about him as I do now. Similar to how SJax has never run for more than 150 yds but still is almost the consensus #2 dynasty pick. The guy is very, very talented and you can see it on the field. You didn't need to look at Barry Sander's stats to know how freakishly amazing he was (and no, I'm not saying AP is the next Sanders).Jamal Lewis never look that good, IMHO.My point is that Jamal had a much better season than ADP did and had huge games. Just because a guy has huge games doesn't mean he'll have them in the future. Sometimes players just hit teams at the right times and put together an unreal season. The eye roll is unnecessary.If you take away Jamal Lewis' best season it really hurts his career numbers.
I see this argument a lot, and I do agree to a degree that certain running styles are more conducive to staying healthy. I think of LT and Emmitt Smith and how they were able to do this better than anyone. However, I also think of Jim Brown and Walter Payton and how their bruising style translated into productive careers. Am I comparing their careers to AD? No. But what I am trying to say is that injuries are part of the game, and, IMO, are hard to predict. I feel that Peterson's running style may just be his greatest strength...and greatest weakness. In one run he may hit a hole then try his run over the smaller D backs. I do agree, however that he does not mind contact, something that may increase injury susceptibility.
Yes, Lewis did look that good. He just doesn't have a flashy style and guys like Peterson and Sanders do.I'm sorry, but Jamal != AP in terms of talent.For me, it's not eve close to being about the numbers when considering AP. And I'm a big #'s and stats person. For me, it's watching the guy on the field. There is something special about him and I hope we get to enjoy a long, fruitful career of his. If those two 200+ yd games were only 130 yds, I'd feel the exact same way about him as I do now. Similar to how SJax has never run for more than 150 yds but still is almost the consensus #2 dynasty pick. The guy is very, very talented and you can see it on the field. You didn't need to look at Barry Sander's stats to know how freakishly amazing he was (and no, I'm not saying AP is the next Sanders).Jamal Lewis never look that good, IMHO.My point is that Jamal had a much better season than ADP did and had huge games. Just because a guy has huge games doesn't mean he'll have them in the future. Sometimes players just hit teams at the right times and put together an unreal season. The eye roll is unnecessary.If you take away Jamal Lewis' best season it really hurts his career numbers.
Jamal is/was a talented back, albeit not as flashy as ADP. Jamal was a #5 pick and 1st RB taken and ADP was a #7 pick and 1st Rb taken. Different styles/backs but Lewis had good speed and tremendous power while ADP has very good speed and good power.After Jamal though it was Larry Johnson a couple years later and now it's ADP. Go back and read the LJ posts a couple years back. ADP's certainly a good back in a very good situation but I've still got question marks with him (unlike most).I'm sorry, but Jamal != AP in terms of talent.For me, it's not eve close to being about the numbers when considering AP. And I'm a big #'s and stats person. For me, it's watching the guy on the field. There is something special about him and I hope we get to enjoy a long, fruitful career of his. If those two 200+ yd games were only 130 yds, I'd feel the exact same way about him as I do now. Similar to how SJax has never run for more than 150 yds but still is almost the consensus #2 dynasty pick. The guy is very, very talented and you can see it on the field. You didn't need to look at Barry Sander's stats to know how freakishly amazing he was (and no, I'm not saying AP is the next Sanders).Jamal Lewis never look that good, IMHO.My point is that Jamal had a much better season than ADP did and had huge games. Just because a guy has huge games doesn't mean he'll have them in the future. Sometimes players just hit teams at the right times and put together an unreal season. The eye roll is unnecessary.If you take away Jamal Lewis' best season it really hurts his career numbers.
Then you never saw Jamal Lewis when healthy.And years down the road when some rookie comes out and blows away people, someone will say ADP "was" that good, and someone will disagree, and I'll respond "Then you never saw ADP when healthy."People have awfully short memoriesgianmarco said:
Except he says once he was trusted he started to shine and he also stated that after his injury he was productive.Take a look at his last bunch of games and his YPC BELOW 3, and tell me if those two above statements are correct?LT is the choice in a redraft
Ok, if you say so. I guess I never saw him healthy and I'm not entitled to my opinion.P.S.--You pulled that quote out on its own and makes it sound that I was saying Lewis wasn't any good. I'm not saying that. Lewis was a talented back, but not in the same ballpark as what I see in AP. "Jamal Lewis never look(ed) that good, IMHO" meaning he never looked like the guys I mentioned above.
Jamal had the single game rushing record. He ran for 2000+ yards, how many backs have done that? He was an absolute beast. He just took too much of a beating (and the whole jail thing...).
People forget how, dare I say it, AP-like Jamal looked. He was handed the ball seemingly every carry and still ended up with a 5.3 YPC. There have only been a few guys who have rushed with a higher YPC with more than 300 carries and Jamal had 387. People tend to forget because he never looked the same again, but he ran with tremendous speed and power in 2003.
No reason to hate. Your just are not able to decipher the point of the post. People bring up "well if you take away x, y, z" to illustrate a point. That's what these message boards are about, discussing topics & making points. It's a common application when creating an average, to remove the top & bottom percentile. OK, I forgot to remove the bottom percentile. We now have Peterson going for 86 yards on 47 carries
Here is an example for you, i'll use Tomlinson as an example because you seem to have a mancrush for Peterson. If Tomlinson runs for 121 yards & a TD on 27 carries, everyone thinks he had a great day. Great numbers, didn't see the game but you can't argue with the point. If you look at the numbers & see one run for 99 yards & a TD, then another 26 carries for 22 yards, well it paints a different picture. Sure Tomlinson was directly responsible for the 7 points, but he hurt his team the other 99% of the time. I look at those numbers & I think "Thank God for that 99 yard TD, I just dodged a bullet on a really bad Tomlinson day. Put another way, if your watching a game & Tomlinson goes 99 yards for a TD on the 1st play of the game & then proceeds to get 22 yards the rest of the game, do you walk away thinking "what a great game!". Probably not. When Michael Turner gets 7 carries for 110 yards & a TD, are you expecting that 80 yard TD every week?That's the point the people coming on here sayiny "well if you take the x y z" are trying to make. Peterson, over a 4 week period, was held in check to a tune of around 2 yards a carry, give or take a run. If you watched any of the games it was scary how ineffective he was. It's a very real concern.
