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Why Do Muslims Get To Stone A Woman To Death Without Trial on a UN-Funded Field? (1 Viewer)

He's not even close to right.  He's so far from right he couldn't see it with a telescope.
Not sure why you feel the need to dispute the horrible evil being committed, or quivvel over it.  It really just makes you look like a dink.  At what level in history have we seen people burned alive in cages?  Videotaped for the world to see?  Children 10 years old beheading people?  Christian children being beheaded? People being drowned in cages?  ISIS recently announced plans to target Israeli children in nursery schools.  None of which you and the Lefties seem all that concerned about.  As I predicted in my first post the only indignation that would be shown in here would be directed at the people highlighting the abuses.

 
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Are you serious?  My God the ignorance in here is off the charts.  I'm not providing any of that crap.  It's out there if you want to see it.
You calling other ignorant is pretty ridiculous given your stance here and all that you have ignored.

 
Not sure why you feel the need to dispute the horrible evil being committed, or quivvel over it.  It really just makes you look like a dink.  At what level in history have we seen people burned alive in cages?  Videotaped for the world to see?  Children 10 years old beheading people?  Christian children being beheaded? People being drowned in cages?  ISIS recently announced plans to target Israeli children in nursery schools.  None of which you and the Lefties seem all that concerned about.  As I predicted in my first post the only indignation that would be shown in here would be directed at the people highlighting the abuses.
Wat? :lmao:  

 
They send the little girls to the ME and Africa, pre teens and early teens. They take a razor to their crotch and slice it off and send them back to America. 

 
So it would be ok if the UN did not fund the stadium?

I'm not sure I understand the direction of the outrage

 
So it would be ok if the UN did not fund the stadium?

I'm not sure I understand the direction of the outrage
It's just a typical scenario. The UN uses funds for development, builds a soccer stadium in Iran, IIRC. Muslims use it to stone women to death under sharia law over mere accusations of adultery. Won't even let women into soccer stadiums unless, of course, they're going to a stoning.  

UN Human Rights Council almost allows Sudan as a member back a few years ago. Embroiled in a bloody crusade, Sudan is hardly a worthy member for human rights, to say the least. Other members of the UN HRC currently are Suadi Arabia, Qatar, and United Arab Emirates. United Arab Emirates have camel races with little boys that die on the camels. Saudi Arabia, our "ally" in the ME, is the worst human rights offender this side of the Sudanese.

The outrage is nebulous and all over the place, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.  

 
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It's just a typical scenario. The UN uses funds for development, builds a soccer stadium in Iran, IIRC. Muslims use it to stone women to death under sharia law over mere accusations of adultery. Won't even let women into soccer stadiums unless, of course, they're going to a stoning.  

UN Human Rights Council almost allows Sudan as a member back a few years ago. Embroiled in a bloody crusade, Sudan is hardly a worthy member for human rights, to say the least. Other members of the UN HRC currently are Suadi Arabia, Qatar, and United Arab Emirates. United Arab Emirates have camel races with little boys that die on the camels. Saudi Arabia, our "ally" in the ME, is the worst human rights offender this side of the Sudanese.

The outrage is nebulous and all over the place, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.  
So if the UN had not funded the Stadium there would be an equal amount of outrage against the stoning of women under Sharia law?

 
So if the UN had not funded the Stadium there would be an equal amount of outrage against the stoning of women under Sharia law?
It's sort of endemic to a problem I see with the UN. These development funds are often given to corrupt governments who then use those funds and gifts (largely funded by the United States) for awful, diabolical purposes that are right in keeping with exactly what they have done before. These acts belong back in the stone ages, and these countries that support these acts legally are unworthy -- by choice -- to receive the funds distributed. The outrage is part about the stoning under sharia law, part outrage at the systemic problems with UN development, and part outrage at the absolutely inverted world that we live in, where to condemn this evil is considered blasphemous, short-sighted, unhelpful, and is generally pilloried by the left in our country and in Europe, which is starting to see its own problems with assimilation and immigration come home to roost.  

It's a frustration with the notion that everybody deserves a voice, everybody deserves funding in some way to help them out of their own dictatorial messes, and that everybody deserves to be able to comment and have a voice in human rights and development issues. 

There should be oversight and an honest debate about what is going on. When I hear that the first reaction of Navy Seals over in Iraq was watching - from the plane - women coming out and wiping men's asses with water, I can't help but think that funds are wasted on that region -- that the region is hopeless but for certain elements. My hope, however, is strong in humanity, and I only hope my better nature doesn't call for extermination or colonization. That there are true voices of democracy and human rights in that region, and we need to empower them to be heard. 

But we don't need soccer stadiums that the victimized can't even get into.  

 
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It's sort of endemic to a problem I see with the UN. These development funds are often given to corrupt governments who then use those funds and gifts (largely funded by the United States) for awful, diabolical purposes that are right in keeping with exactly what they have done before. These acts belong back in the stone ages, and these countries that support these acts legally are unworthy -- by choice -- to receive the funds distributed. The outrage is part about the stoning under sharia law, part outrage at the systemic problems with UN development, and part outrage at the absolutely inverted world that we live in, where to condemn this evil is considered blasphemous, short-sighted, unhelpful, and is generally pilloried by the left in our country and in Europe, which is starting to see its own problems with assimilation and immigration come home to roost.  

It's a frustration with the notion that everybody deserves a voice, everybody deserves funding in some way to help them out of their own dictatorial messes, and that everybody deserves to be able to comment and have a voice in human rights and development issues. 

There should be oversight and an honest debate about what is going on. When I hear that the first reaction of Navy Seals over in Iraq was watching - from the plane - women coming out and wiping men's asses with water, I can't help but think that funds are wasted on that region -- that the region is hopeless but for certain elements. My hope, however, is strong in humanity, and I only hope my better nature doesn't call for extermination or colonization. That there are true voices of democracy and human rights in that region, and we need to empower them to be heard. 

But we don't need soccer stadiums that the victimized can't even get into.  
Is that a yes or a no?

 
Is that a yes or a no?
No. I guess the outrage runs deeper when we fund it. It's in the thread title. There's a reason I included the UN. If this disqualifies me from proper debate, I don't know how else to put it. 

How's this? 

Stoning women under sharia law because of mere accusation = insanity. 

Stoning women systemically = even worse. 

Stoning women systemically as a function of endemic problems within international diplomacy under the guise of relativism and inclusiveness = more insanity than the first scenario. 

It's all insane. And when we rationalize or intellectualize it, we need to realize that isolated incidents are different than systemic ones that we aid and abet. So, no, in the end, and I think the current interrogative doesn't allow for the depths to which a political comment can be directed. 

 
So, we should not support social and developmental causes in places that practice Sharia law.

Given that leaving them alone for the past 7-800 years have not evolved Sharia law to the same degree as we in the West have developed our judicial codes (e.g. we no longer burn witches on the town square) how much would you think Sharia law will evolve (in a positive direction) without engagement?  

 
So, we should not support social and developmental causes in places that practice Sharia law.

Given that leaving them alone for the past 7-800 years have not evolved Sharia law to the same degree as we in the West have developed our judicial codes (e.g. we no longer burn witches on the town square) how much would you think Sharia law will evolve (in a positive direction) without engagement?  
I don't know. That depends on the type of engagement. The problem I think I have is that the engagement is often patronizing or has no teeth. Often, it seems the engagement in the form of funding and gifts is met with hostility, resentment, and a sense of weird entitlement. 

But to say I'm against engagement is to take a thread heading and run with it in your own mind. I didn't say to disengage, I said not to fund this very simple thing, and especially not to do so systematically and without ripping condemnation.  These are easy things to condemn; easier to avoid. Instead of funding stadiums, we can offer to fund female education in those regions. Seems simple. Quid pro quo. You don't need a stadium or place of spectacle; you need to educate your women and reform your governments. 

But I hold out barely any hope for that.  

 
Link: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/217301/football-killing-fields-tom-gross

Just for edification. Stoning women at soccer games has been pretty common practice in that region, enough so that stoning itself has come under strong condemnation from human rights organizations around the world. 
Rock is there a link to explain the OP? I guess one thing I don't understand is why the UN would fund a stadium in a fairly developed oil rich nation like Iran in the first place?

 
Rock is there a link to explain the OP? I guess one thing I don't understand is why the UN would fund a stadium in a fairly developed oil rich nation like Iran in the first place?
Oh, I see. UN funding is the issue. Sure. Let me try and find that.  I'm not sure what I'll find.  

Here's one for starters. The UN does this, for sure, and funds Middle East stadiums, from what I've read. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-soccer-brazil-worldcup-un-idUSBRE92J1DI20130320

eta* There is no doubt they have their mitts in it, to what degree is invariably difficult to discern through this PR. But given they bailed out Brazil, it's not hard to believe the Taliban story is true. But what doesn't the Taliban do?

https://www.un.org/wcm/webdav/site/sport/shared/sport/Documents/Annual%20Report%202014/UNOSDP%20Annual%20Report%202014%20web.pdf

Pretty much sugarcoating the development aspect, all while discussing it? It means, in corporate speak - building stadiums.  

http://www.un.org/wcm/content/site/sport/home/sport

 
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