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Why do we announce we (or partners) are invading a location? (1 Viewer)
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Koya
Footballguy
I know who knows a zillion times more than any of us.
The U.S. intelligence agencies. Ya know, the ones that inform the strategies and tactics like what and when we publicly say things.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You guys post the same stuff and yet ignore the simple facts that they've gone around this week taking up human shields this week in anticipation, lots of them.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/21/middleeast/iraq-kirkuk-attacks/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/21/middleeast/iraq-kirkuk-attacks/
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
SWC
Bromigo
brohans look the day will come that somehow 50 large troops with tanks and cannons and supply trucks and airplanes and heliocopterinos can hide and then bam just pop out of nowhere and blow your crap up civilians and all but believe me bromigos when that day right out of a star trek movie shows up i will be glad to have been dust for a long time until then this whole discussion is just stupid cause suckas there aint no isis guy sayin brohans maybe that huge army that has been gathering for a couple of months just wants to grab a beer and play lawn jarts with us so this is all stupid take that to the bank bromigos
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Are you suggesting any of us have better (but informed) ideas?
Let's be honest, until it's already played out, we don't know the intel, we don't have the background, the facts, the anything.
And if you don't think SOME one at a conference room table or on a conference calls, some chief of staff of someone, some top aide to whomever, some general and some PR person... you don't think ANY of them brought up the fact that "ya know, if we announce that we are going to attack, they might try to get away, or use human shields"
Again, it's so abjectly foolish on the surface to assume we know something more than all of our intelligence agencies with coordinated and managed public messaging in that they maybe "sorta didn't think this announcement thing through"
It was orchestrated. For a reason (or a number of). A reason that we can't know without the context of information we simply don't have. Not saying they don't screw up, but often the screw ups are policy decisions, driven often by politics, as opposed to the operational side of creating a strategy and employing tactics to achieve that mission/goal. And our Army probably has figured out that you don't tell your enemy what you are about to do... unless there's a tactical advantage within an overarching strategy to do so.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
SWC
Bromigo
right on brohan it is like these suckas are here to hit us with some sidewinder missles but hell if it aint going to be cute and you can take that to the bank
Koya
Footballguy
We can both agree on that.
Can't we also agree that announcing an invasion "ooops, social media!" without having given complete thought to the ramifications is not just "far from perfect" - it's a fireable offense at multiple levels. It's not a bad decision, it's not even a rookie mistake, because even a rookie knows better.
And we are not talking about rookies.
So, can't we agree that if the Vice President, for example, makes a statement about attacking the Russians through cyber ops, or we make a statement about invading a city abroad at the highest levels of gov't and intelligence, there's a thought out reason for doing so. It's not "telling our enemies what we are going to actually do" without something else to it. That's all I ask.
rodg12
Footballguy
I think this gets to why Trump doesn't understand why we do this. He NEVER thinks out what he's going to say and just fires from the hip. And his deluded, narcissistic brain thinks that everyone else acts that way as well.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If keeping me uninformed saves a few thousand lives, I'm okay with that.
No getting around civilian casualties in this scenario, but when ISIS is preparing for an invasion, the numbers appear to be going up.
Koya
Footballguy
We did not "tip them off"
Whatever we say though official channels has a very clear and discreet rationale. They've measures the pros and cons. And it may be as simple as more people can escape with knowledge while ISIS hunkers down preparing than will be killed as human shields, and it may be as simple as let the cockroaches scurry because then you know where they are - furthering your objectives militarily while perhaps also reducing collateral loss including and especially innocent lives.
But I'm guessing here, yet even that shows some level of thought that extends beyond "why the heck are we tipping them off!"
This is not "why did they throw it on 4th down!!!!!" for goodness sake.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Some of you dudes seem a little angry. I'm gonna go drink beer and eat oysters.
Maybe I can strike up some conversation and inform those around me how bad of an internet poster I am.
Maybe I can strike up some conversation and inform those around me how bad of an internet poster I am.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Don't mistake my incredulousness with anger GB. It's all good.
Y'all just freakin' drive me crazy sometimes.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
He is the poster who reminds me most of MOP.
Except that MOP is actually amusing sometimes.
SWC
Bromigo
no one cares how bad you are at the internet for starters its true and second do not drink too much beer or you will barf oysters all over the joint and that would not be fun just a little life lesson from the old swcer take that to the bank bromigos
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
No, it doesn't make any sense at all. This isn't some attack that is going to take a few days, this is an operation requiring the support of entities that don't see eye to eye. You can't use airstrikes because of civilian casualties like the Russians are doing in Aleppo, and doing it unannounced would have about the same impact.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
You're really suck on this human shields thing. Isn't that a bit of an outlier? They've been announcing this stuff for a long time and this isn't something that typically happens.
Even with that does it end up as a net negative? Is 550 families some of which will survive more than the number of civilians that would be harmed if the attack were secret and there was no chance to evacuate?
And of course, in the other bajillion instances where the defending force didn't round up a bunch of civilians to use as human shields, it obviously saved a crapton of innocent lives by announcing it first.
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cosjobs
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
You should never have included the word "Trump" in the OP. It's like a bat signal in the FFA.
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Footballguy
Also, why do we use land vehicles that can be seen and heard from hundreds of miles away? Everything should be done with silent missiles.
