Rick James
Footballguy
Seems to only add to the randomness of the game.
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Why do we have kickers in Fantasy Football? (1 Viewer)
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PolishNorbi
Footballguy
To piss us off.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Because they score tons of points.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
One of my leagues this year doesn't. I love it. Haven't missed them at all.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
We moved to IDP's and didn't see the point in having two extra spots for kickers.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Not a bad idea...A couple of my leagues have IDP, and a couple have no D/ST. Maybe axing Ks is next.We moved to IDP's and didn't see the point in having two extra spots for kickers.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Actually... I like Ks in the IDP leagues, but in basic leagues I think I'd prefer no K, and no D/ST.Not a bad idea...A couple of my leagues have IDP, and a couple have no D/ST. Maybe axing Ks is next.We moved to IDP's and didn't see the point in having two extra spots for kickers.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd love to do no K and no ST, but my league mates that are not as into it as I am want the randomness I think.
Same here. K and ST just add more variance into a game where it's already high. I'd like to try a league without them, but league mates seem to want them because that's the way it has always been. The only real answer to why we have kickers is:
3nOut
Footballguy
Because there are real kickers in the NFL? I think for the most part FF tries to mimic real football as much as possible. So as many positions as possible should be reflected in the scoring including D and ST, even if it means grouping them into TD/ST. If you decide to eliminate a position from your FF league why not try starting a league without QBs? Whats the difference? Or maybe make them a flex position (I bet a lot of Ks would be used as a flex as they are more consistent).
Bottom line is; if you don't like kickers, convince your league to drop them from your roster requirements. Its your choice.
Bottom line is; if you don't like kickers, convince your league to drop them from your roster requirements. Its your choice.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I have been trying for years to eliminate kickers from my league or at least decrease their value a bunch so they make little impact. I would rather be in a FF league that rewards skill and not dumb luck.
Kickers should not be treated the same as the other positions. You can predict many players decently. There are always great players that are shut out each week or unknown players that go off. However, nobody can predict what any kicker is going to do on a consistent basis.
Kickers should not be treated the same as the other positions. You can predict many players decently. There are always great players that are shut out each week or unknown players that go off. However, nobody can predict what any kicker is going to do on a consistent basis.
I don't agree with this at all. I think there are obvious kickers that do better than others. Some kickers are more accurate than others, and I like my league that penalizes kickers who miss, more than just a straight reward for kicks made.The scoring system I like and prefer is 6 pts for 60+, 5 pts for 50+, 4 pts for 40+, 3 for under 40, and -0 for 60+ miss, -1 for 50+ miss, -2 for 40+ miss, and -3 for an under 40 miss. Plus a minus 2 for an XP.We also award a plus 5 each week to the K who has the longest FG each week (in addition to most pass yds, most rush yds and most rec yds).... yeah, it's a bit random, but you'd be surprised how many repeat names make that plus 5 list each week.Just my $.02
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I've heard this a lot, but I've never been in a league with a scoring system that backs it up.Addai said:
footballnerd
Footballguy
Lawrence Tynes = Stud Kicker, get him off your FA now and stop the randomness.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Seriously?I guess we are going to have two or three of these threads every year....BUT they are pointless....kickers like every other position on NFL teams that score points are represented in FF lineups....BUT if you and your league don't like it then Change YOUR rules.Kickers don't add randomness any more than any of the other facets of FF or NFL.........sounds like you lost a game because your opponent's kicker had a good game and yours didn't........if his quarterback got knocked out after scoring only five points and you won because of that, would that be random?Rick James said:
50+ = 6pts40-49 = 4pts0-39 = 3ptsPAT = 3pts.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I don't think most FF leagues do try to mimic real football at all. Point per reception, point per carry? QB's that get 4 points for a TD while everyone else get 6 points? Most FF leagues mess with point systems to try and balance out all the postitions, so you can draft a winning team in many different ways. Taking out kickers would just make FF even less like the real game.TD heavy league point systems are probably the closest to real football.3nOut said:
3nOut
Footballguy
Why not? If you only had Orton and Tebow on your roster you wouldn't start Orton? NFL teams don't have the luxury of having Manning, Vick, and Orton on the same team where you can afford to bench Orton. If you had a 32 team league (not saying I do) you may well have to resort to that.I'm not saying FF tries to mimic the NFL exactly, but it should at least try to address all aspects of the game.
3nOut
Footballguy
Thats better.Are you saying that its a big difference so its not a fair position to have, or a small one so it doesn't matter? A 20 point difference is only slightly more than 1pt a game, so I don;t see what the big deal is.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
soothsayer
Footballguy
I'm in a league that has dumped both kickers and defenses in the last couple of seasons. Best thing we've ever done.
I've floated the idea in other leagues I'm in and people resist, but don't offer much rationale for their resistance - it always sounds to me like "let's keep them because we've always had them". Um, ok.
I've floated the idea in other leagues I'm in and people resist, but don't offer much rationale for their resistance - it always sounds to me like "let's keep them because we've always had them". Um, ok.
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
I was going to post something along those lines.
How so? What specifically made it the best thing ever?
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I can't say I'd MISS having kickers, but I'll agree with the guy above that said it adds a level of excitement. The reason I like K is because it's the only position where you KNOW something's about to happen. The Falcons stall on the 25, I know Bryant will be lining it up for another 5 pts. It makes that phase of the game entertaining so I really can't see a reason to do away with it.
If you're looking to eliminate randomness - I'd suggest chess.
If you're looking to eliminate randomness - I'd suggest chess.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
My point is there's not much of a difference between #2 and #15, so boot the kickers to the curb. Sorry if I wasn't more clear.
In my PPR league the highest scoring K is Sebastian Jenikoski (sorry if i butchered the spelling of the name, but i'm going off memory) who has 97 points so far. That puts him right around Chris Johnson level, who has 100 points so far. He is around the 25th highest scorer of any position in the league not including defense. So there are a good number of points available to Kickers.
Now that there is fun I don't care who you are
brownhelmets
Footballguy
I have Sea Bass this season, so I appreciate kickers...for now.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Maybe this will help make my point about how random kickers are and why kickers add a lot of luck to FF.
In my league, the kickers are chosen in the last 2 rounds. Sure, there are a few that folks go after but most guys just go down their list and take the K next on the list without much thought to it.
Janikowski is another good point. I doubt he was one of the first 6 kickers picked but he is the leading K in some leagues. Just luck.
In my league, the kickers are chosen in the last 2 rounds. Sure, there are a few that folks go after but most guys just go down their list and take the K next on the list without much thought to it.
Janikowski is another good point. I doubt he was one of the first 6 kickers picked but he is the leading K in some leagues. Just luck.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
And where was Arian Foster taken? The leading RB in my league currently. Just luck.
brownhelmets
Footballguy
I was just coming in to make a similar point. Not that I could care whether kickers are part of any of my leagues, but this year in general seems pretty random.Top 5 QB1. Rivers2. Rogers3. Brees4. Manning5. OrtonTop 5 HB1. Foster2. AP3. McFadden4. Hillis5. GoreTop 5 WR1. Owens2, Nicks3. Roddy4. Lloyd5. MegatronTop 5 TE1. Gates2. Witten3. Keller4. Z. Miller5. DavisThis is from a standard scoring league with 0.5 ppr and 6 pts TD for all.
footballnerd
Footballguy
The draft is just the beginning. As the season develops you will find waiver wire gems in kickers and defenses that will put your team over the top.
See my previous post, he will win you games.
See my previous post, he will win you games.
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Utter Chaos
Footballguy
Wow, 3 points for a PAT.My league awards Field Goals the distance/10. So a 45 yard field goal is 4.5 points. That way instead of an 18 yarder and a 39 yarder both being worth 3 points, they are worth 1.8 and 3.9 repectively. Also, PAT's are only one point.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
Kickers are totally random, but they do add a little something to the game. This is my first year streaming kickers, and I've started a different kicker every week for the most part. There is a little bit of fun in trying to figure out which K from the WW will put up good numbers that week. Results have been mixed for me but it's just another entertaining aspect of fantasy football.
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo
Footballguy
FYI everyone, you can only ask this question about kickers or DST. Any other position and your post will get deleted.
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NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo
Footballguy
No, but seriously. It's a very interesting topic which has never been touched on before. Thought provoking. Almost useful as a WDIS posting. Do go on.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Hey RayRayRayOfSunshineJr.Not clicking on the thread saves you even more time.
Ice Cream Man
Footballguy
3nOut said:
This is also the reason why most leagues don't allow you to start 4 RBs, and there aren't many start 2 QB leagues. For many people, it takes away from the point of fantasy football.If you don't like the luck element, move to a rotisserie format.
