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Why is Norm Van Brocklin still a record holder (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7371

Why is NVB, in this modern age of passing, still a record holder? Consider:

* None of the top 45 leaders in single-season pass attempts per game in league history occurred before 1980.

* Only one of the top 60 leaders in passing yards per game in a season -- Joe Namath in 1967 -- came before 1980. None of the top 150 leaders in this statistic came before 1951, the year Van Brocklin set the single game record.

* On the other hand, Van Brocklin was no slouch: he's a Hall of Famer and came in at right behind John Elway in my final quarterback rankings. He also led the NFL in yards per attempt in '50, '51 and '52 (and again in '54), although he split time with Bob Waterfield in each of those seasons. He split some time with other quarterbacks for most of his career, in fact (this was common at the time), and a result, he never led the league in yards per game. On September 28th, 1951, Waterfield was out injured, enabling Van Brocklin to take all of his team's snaps.

High passing games weren't incredibly rare the '40s and '50s -- Jason's boy Johnny Lujack threw for 468 yards in 1948 against the cross-town Cardinals -- but they're certainly more common now. There have been 192 team passing games of 400 yards or more (this includes sack yards lost, which individual passing yards do not): 59 have come since 2000, 37 in the '90s, 47 in the '80s, 4 in the '70s, 25 in the '60s (16 by the NFL, 9 from the AFL), and 10 each in the '40s and '50s. It's tempting to think of NFL history as following a linear path, but that's not accurate: we think of modern times as a pass-heavy era and the '70s as the run-heavy era; but that doesn't mean the '50s and '60s were even more slanted towards the run. In fact the '40s, '50s and '60s had their pass happy moments, as Waterfield and Lujack (and Baugh, Luckman, Graham and Unitas) made evident. But we'd expect the biggest passing games to come now, when there are far more teams and many more games than ever before. Since 2002, there have been 512 team-games per season with a chance to put up 554 yards; in 1951, there were only 144. So how the heck did Van Brocklin throw for so many yards in one game?
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Defenses are more sophisticated/better in general?

Also, teams with a big lead tend to shift towards the running game and eat up the clock. Unless they are the Patriots. But even when the Patriots kept passing on the Titans last year (Week 6) in that blowout game, Brady put up 380 yards. Nowhere near the record. But I'd still say that teams today, when they have a decent lead, they are more focused on getting first downs and controlling the time of possession instead of throwing deep.

 
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7371

Why is NVB, in this modern age of passing, still a record holder? Consider:

* None of the top 45 leaders in single-season pass attempts per game in league history occurred before 1980.

* Only one of the top 60 leaders in passing yards per game in a season -- Joe Namath in 1967 -- came before 1980. None of the top 150 leaders in this statistic came before 1951, the year Van Brocklin set the single game record.

* On the other hand, Van Brocklin was no slouch: he's a Hall of Famer and came in at right behind John Elway in my final quarterback rankings. He also led the NFL in yards per attempt in '50, '51 and '52 (and again in '54), although he split time with Bob Waterfield in each of those seasons. He split some time with other quarterbacks for most of his career, in fact (this was common at the time), and a result, he never led the league in yards per game. On September 28th, 1951, Waterfield was out injured, enabling Van Brocklin to take all of his team's snaps.

High passing games weren't incredibly rare the '40s and '50s -- Jason's boy Johnny Lujack threw for 468 yards in 1948 against the cross-town Cardinals -- but they're certainly more common now. There have been 192 team passing games of 400 yards or more (this includes sack yards lost, which individual passing yards do not): 59 have come since 2000, 37 in the '90s, 47 in the '80s, 4 in the '70s, 25 in the '60s (16 by the NFL, 9 from the AFL), and 10 each in the '40s and '50s. It's tempting to think of NFL history as following a linear path, but that's not accurate: we think of modern times as a pass-heavy era and the '70s as the run-heavy era; but that doesn't mean the '50s and '60s were even more slanted towards the run. In fact the '40s, '50s and '60s had their pass happy moments, as Waterfield and Lujack (and Baugh, Luckman, Graham and Unitas) made evident. But we'd expect the biggest passing games to come now, when there are far more teams and many more games than ever before. Since 2002, there have been 512 team-games per season with a chance to put up 554 yards; in 1951, there were only 144. So how the heck did Van Brocklin throw for so many yards in one game?
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Great article. Many of your points are dead on.One minor thing I would add as to why we don't see this anymore nowadays is also fear of injury. In todays NFL losing a QB you have multi-millions of dollars invested in to an injury because he was trying to throw for 500+ yards in a game your team was up by 21+ would get coaches run out of town faster than trading away all your draft picks for one guy. While I also agree that teams "take their foot off the gas" (to borrow from Revis) late in games when they are up big - I think it has as much to do with injury concern (not only to the QB, but most everyone - especially if the other team seeks "revenge" shots for teams running it up on them) as with other aspects.

 
It'll get broken, sooner than later IMO.

Needs a perfect storm; ie 2 elite qbs on 2 teams with very poor passing defenses.

The Houton vs Washington game this year came close to fitting the bill. Just needed to be a couple slightly better qbs.

 
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Here's the Box Score:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...95109280ram.htm

Some notes:

- This game featured one VITAMIN Smith. Ok that belongs in the all time name list with Fair Hooker (WR for the Cleveland Browns) and Happy Feller (punter for the Saints).

- He was playing the New York Football Yankees. Maybe they were the "Yanks" by then.

- He had Crazy Legs Elroy Hirsch. Incredibly another great WR, Tom Fears (future Saints coach), was also playing.

- ONLY THREE WR's caught passes: Hirsch (9/173/5), Fears (7/162/0), Vitamin (2/103/1).

- NVB did his damaged on *** 27 *** completions and he even had 2 INT's.

- The Rams put up an amazing 722 yards that day.

- The Yanks had NO turnovers, surprising. But they netted only 111 yards that day, and pass they went an abysmal 10/35/63. They had 8 [EIGHT] net passing yards. One team set an NFL all time recod, the other almost got zeroed.

- This was the Yanks' last season; they finished 9-24-3 all time.

- Did NVB start only one more game that year? He had a 1-1 record as a starter. If so, how the heck did that happen?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...o00&yr=1951

 
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Moon came within a couple passes of breaking it. It'll just take a new innovative passing oriented coach to get to it. Like all records, it will fall. Just give it time.

 
Good posts, everyone.

The changes made by the NFL over the years to shorten the time length of games -- resulting in fewer snaps -- very likely have contributed to this record not yet being broken. I don't recall exactly when the rule was changed on out of bounds plays, but I'm old enough to remember when all out of bounds plays resulted in a stopped clock, not the current system where the clock only stops inside of 2 minutes in the first half and 5 minutes in the second half.

I also don't know how many plays are estimated to be lost due to the out of bounds clock restart rule, but I could see an extra 2-3 plays a quarter being executed, resulting in as many as a dozen more offensive snaps. If you add 12 more plays to last year's Green Bay-Pittsburgh game, with the way both teams were scoring quickly, there may have been one more full TD drive per team. Roethlisberger officially threw for 503 yards as it was. Add in another drive and the record may have been broken last December.

 
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- He was playing the New York Football Yankees. Maybe they were the "Yanks" by then.
There have been at least six different football teams that went by the NY Yanks or Yankees.1) C.C. Pyle tried to get a football team called the New York Yankees into the NFL in 1926, but was denied. He signed Red Grange, and formed his own football league, called the American Football League. The NYY played there in '26, then Pyle's Yankees (and Grange) were granted entry into the NFL in '27. They folded after '28, although they did have two notable players in Grange and Ray Flaherty.

2) In a second American Football League, James Irving Bush owned a football team called the New York Yankees in 1936.

3) In the third American Football League (still not up to the one in the '60s), another New York Yankees team played in 1940. All three New York Yankees teams from AFL I, AFL II and AFL III played at Yankee Stadium.

4) In something called the American Association, there was a fourth New York Yankees franchise.

5) In the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) -- the league that produced the Browns and 49ers -- the New York Yankees existed from '46 to '49.

6) Owner Ted Collins wanted to form a team in the NFL called the New York Yanks in 1944; the Giants' Tim Mara refused to allow it, so Collins went to Boston and called his team the Yanks. They played as the Boston Yanks until '48, then moved to New York, played in the Polo Grounds, and called themselves the Bulldogs for the 1949 season. Following the AAFC-NFL "merger", with the Browns, 49ers and Colts entering the NFL, the rest of the league was split up, including the AAFC's New York Yankees franchise. Half of that team went to the NY Giants, half to the NY Bulldogs. With the AAFC's Yankees gone, Ted Collins got his wish, and moved his NY Bulldogs into Yankee Stadium and got to name them the Yanks. They played as the New York Yanks in '50 and '51, and this was the team that Van Brocklin torched for 554 yards. More on the Yanks/Bulldogs, here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=1669

 
Good posts, everyone.

The changes made by the NFL over the years to shorten the time length of games -- resulting in fewer snaps -- very likely have contributed to this record not yet being broken. I don't recall exactly when the rule was changed on out of bounds plays, but I'm old enough to remember when all out of bounds plays resulted in a stopped clock, not the current system where the clock only stops inside of 2 minutes in the first half and 5 minutes in the second half.

I also don't know how many plays are estimated to be lost due to the out of bounds clock restart rule, but I could see an extra 2-3 plays a quarter being executed, resulting in as many as a dozen more offensive snaps. If you add 12 more plays to last year's Green Bay-Pittsburgh game, with the way both teams were scoring quickly, there may have been one more full TD drive per team. Roethlisberger officially threw for 503 yards as it was. Add in another drive and the record may have been broken last December.
Very :thumbup:

That game was the best recent example of the perfect storm needed.

 
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Moon came within a couple passes of breaking it. It'll just take a new innovative passing oriented coach to get to it. Like all records, it will fall. Just give it time.
I will never forget watching that game with my Oiler bro clan. Moon was on fire that day against a stout KC defense, and he did it on the road against an amped up sellout crowd at Arrowhead. He would've easily broken the record but the Oilers had that game in hand and Jack Pardee decided to dial it down and run the ball in the fourth quarter. I was not happy about that and wanted him to let Moon get the record.
 
- Did NVB start only one more game that year? He had a 1-1 record as a starter. If so, how the heck did that happen?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...o00&yr=1951
Bob Waterfield was the veteran QB on the team, and a future HOFer himself (even if Van Brocklin was a much better quarterback in the grand scheme of things, Waterfield wasn't exactly bad). Van Brocklin actually attempted more passes on the season (the two alternated series as QB) but Waterfield was the nominal starter. Still, both averaged 8.9 yards per attempt, had identical interception rates, and Waterfield actually averaged slightly more TDs per pass. The two Rams quarterbacks ranked 1st and 2nd in the league in adjusted yards per attempt in 1951, just like another pair of Rams quarterbacks 49 years later.
 
Here's the Box Score:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...95109280ram.htm

Some notes:

- This game featured one VITAMIN Smith. Ok that belongs in the all time name list with Fair Hooker (WR for the Cleveland Browns) and Happy Feller (punter for the Saints).

- He was playing the New York Football Yankees. Maybe they were the "Yanks" by then.

- He had Crazy Legs Elroy Hirsch. Incredibly another great WR, Tom Fears (future Saints coach), was also playing.

- ONLY THREE WR's caught passes: Hirsch (9/173/5), Fears (7/162/0), Vitamin (2/103/1).

- NVB did his damaged on *** 27 *** completions and he even had 2 INT's.

- The Rams put up an amazing 722 yards that day.

- The Yanks had NO turnovers, surprising. But they netted only 111 yards that day, and pass they went an abysmal 10/35/63. They had 8 [EIGHT] net passing yards. One team set an NFL all time recod, the other almost got zeroed.

- This was the Yanks' last season; they finished 9-24-3 all time.

- Did NVB start only one more game that year? He had a 1-1 record as a starter. If so, how the heck did that happen?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...o00&yr=1951
Three receivers with catches in the game, one with 19 yards per catch, one with 23 yards per catch, and one with 51.5 yards per catch?

Unless he's throwing a hail mary on every pass, it sounds like the answer to the question is, "Because NVB played a team that day who couldn't tackle."

 
Good posts, everyone.The changes made by the NFL over the years to shorten the time length of games -- resulting in fewer snaps -- very likely have contributed to this record not yet being broken. I don't recall exactly when the rule was changed on out of bounds plays, but I'm old enough to remember when all out of bounds plays resulted in a stopped clock, not the current system where the clock only stops inside of 2 minutes in the first half and 5 minutes in the second half.
There are also more completions, which leads to the clock running for longer, and fewer snaps. But while there may be fewer snaps, there are more pass attempts. I would think that would be far more important.
 
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...00912200pit.htm

Comparing the NVB box score to last year's GB-PIT boxscore (linked above), there were 147 combined rushes/passing attempts/sacks in the 1951 game compared to 131 combined rushes/passing attempts/sacks in the 2009 game.

Obviously, whether it is the timing rules or some other reason, there were 16 fewer offensive snaps in the GB-PIT game. That's a significant reduction in snaps.

Now, normalizing the passing yards to the number of offensive snaps in each game -- this is a Chase Stuart thread, right? -- it can be argued that Roethlisberger was more prolific last December than NVB was in 1951.

503 yards/131 snaps = 3.84 yards per snap (combined both teams rushes/pass attempts/sacks)

554 yards/147 snaps = 3.77 yards per snap

However, looking at each team's snaps separately, NVB was more efficient:

554 yards/72 snaps = 7.69 yards per snap (L.A. 1951 only)

503 yards/70 snaps = 7.19 yards per snap (PIT 2009 only)

I know, either way the record still stands, but I think the "lost" 16 snaps between the 1951 game and 2009 game goes a long way toward showing how NFL rules that have reduced snaps have assisted the longevity of NVB's record.

 
Here's the Box Score:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...95109280ram.htm

Some notes:

- This game featured one VITAMIN Smith. Ok that belongs in the all time name list with Fair Hooker (WR for the Cleveland Browns) and Happy Feller (punter for the Saints).

- He was playing the New York Football Yankees. Maybe they were the "Yanks" by then.

- He had Crazy Legs Elroy Hirsch. Incredibly another great WR, Tom Fears (future Saints coach), was also playing.

- ONLY THREE WR's caught passes: Hirsch (9/173/5), Fears (7/162/0), Vitamin (2/103/1).

- NVB did his damaged on *** 27 *** completions and he even had 2 INT's.

- The Rams put up an amazing 722 yards that day.

- The Yanks had NO turnovers, surprising. But they netted only 111 yards that day, and pass they went an abysmal 10/35/63. They had 8 [EIGHT] net passing yards. One team set an NFL all time recod, the other almost got zeroed.

- This was the Yanks' last season; they finished 9-24-3 all time.

- Did NVB start only one more game that year? He had a 1-1 record as a starter. If so, how the heck did that happen?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...o00&yr=1951
Three receivers with catches in the game, one with 19 yards per catch, one with 23 yards per catch, and one with 51.5 yards per catch?

Unless he's throwing a hail mary on every pass, it sounds like the answer to the question is, "Because NVB played a team that day who couldn't tackle."
The boxscore only lists players with 100+ yards receiving; there were another 116 yards on 9 catches among other players. But yes, the New York Yanks couldn't tackle (but also they had to stack the box somewhat, as the Rams had a great running game, too (29-181 on the day, with 3 very good running backs)).

 
Good posts, everyone.The changes made by the NFL over the years to shorten the time length of games -- resulting in fewer snaps -- very likely have contributed to this record not yet being broken. I don't recall exactly when the rule was changed on out of bounds plays, but I'm old enough to remember when all out of bounds plays resulted in a stopped clock, not the current system where the clock only stops inside of 2 minutes in the first half and 5 minutes in the second half.
There are also more completions, which leads to the clock running for longer, and fewer snaps. But while there may be fewer snaps, there are more pass attempts. I would think that would be far more important.
I think having 16 more plays would help modern QBs have a better shot at breaking the record.Edited to add: 39 incompletions in 2009 GB-PITT, 40 incompletions in 1951 Yanks-RamsAnd your point about more completions reminds me of the profound impact of Bill Walsh on the modern passing game, which has resulted in more passing attempts and higher completion percentages but also reduced yards per completion. Ball-control passing may be a big contributor to why this record still stands, too.
 
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...00912200pit.htm

Comparing the NVB box score to last year's GB-PIT boxscore (linked above), there were 147 combined rushes/passing attempts/sacks in the 1951 game compared to 131 combined rushes/passing attempts/sacks in the 2009 game.

Obviously, whether it is the timing rules or some other reason, there were 16 fewer offensive snaps in the GB-PIT game. That's a significant reduction in snaps.

Now, normalizing the passing yards to the number of offensive snaps in each game -- this is a Chase Stuart thread, right? -- it can be argued that Roethlisberger was more prolific last December than NVB was in 1951.

503 yards/131 snaps = 3.84 yards per snap (combined both teams rushes/pass attempts/sacks)

554 yards/147 snaps = 3.77 yards per snap

However, looking at each team's snaps separately, NVB was more efficient:

554 yards/72 snaps = 7.69 yards per snap (L.A. 1951 only)

503 yards/70 snaps = 7.19 yards per snap (PIT 2009 only)

I know, either way the record still stands, but I think the "lost" 16 snaps between the 1951 game and 2009 game goes a long way toward showing how NFL rules that have reduced snaps have assisted the longevity of NVB's record.
Interesting post. Worth pointing out, though, that:The Steelers averaged 10.9 Y/A; the Packers completed 54.2% of their passes

The Rams averaged 13.2 Y/A; the Yanks completed 28.6% of their passes

The "lost snaps," IMO, have more to do with the Rams racing down the field (a 4-play, 80 yard drive takes less time than a 7-play, 80 yard drive) and the Yanks stopping the clock with incompletions than anything to do with rules changes.

 
NFL plays per game have varied a bit throughout history, and not in a linear way.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/year.../team_stats.htm

1949-1952 was the highest four year run, though, so something must have been up with those years. Those are the four highest single seasons from 1932 until 2010.

The early '70s and early '90s were also low in plays per game. Plays per game have been extremely consistent over the last decade, hovering around 62.5 plays per team game. That's one of the great oddities of NFL statistics: NFL teams average exactly 1000 plays per season.

 
NFL plays per game have varied a bit throughout history, and not in a linear way.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/year.../team_stats.htm

1949-1952 was the highest four year run, though, so something must have been up with those years. Those are the four highest single seasons from 1932 until 2010.

The early '70s and early '90s were also low in plays per game. Plays per game have been extremely consistent over the last decade, hovering around 62.5 plays per team game. That's one of the great oddities of NFL statistics: NFL teams average exactly 1000 plays per season.
If I understand the linked chart correctly, it looks like the average game in 1951 had just over 134 snaps, so it seems like NVB benefited in part from some circumstances that enabled 147 plays to run in the 1951 game, nearly 13 over the average for the season.Add in the aforementioned poor tackling of the Yanks, and it looks like we know at least two components of the "mystery" of why the record still stands.

 
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Moon came within a couple passes of breaking it. It'll just take a new innovative passing oriented coach to get to it. Like all records, it will fall. Just give it time.
If I remember correctly this game was against the Chiefs and there was a pass to Haywood Jeffries that would have broken the record, but it was ruled incomplete. Replays showed the pass should have been ruled complete (Jeffries did get 2 feet down on the sideline), but there was no red flag to be thrown at this time in the NFL.
 

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