Wierd Commish Issue - From LAST year (1 Viewer)

[Goat Herders]

Games are not final until wed. Owners are reaponsible for seeing if scores change. 3 years ago the nfl changed a pass to a rush (Warner and Boldin were involved) in week 15, removing a Warner pass td and giving bolden a rush td. Affected lots of leagues. But waiting til months later to notice is no good.

 

[ArbyMelt]

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Team B won. Sucks for Team A but Team B won fair and square.

 

[flc735]

i disagree here.

unless it is said otherwise, a 1 week window should be the standard interval before scores lock and here is why...

lets say this happened in week 12. the stats of a week 12 game were altered in feburary which cased one of the ff matchups to have a different outcome.

now lets say that outcome would have resulted in team D getting into the playoffs rather than team C

what do you do? you can't replay the playoffs. you are not going to hand team C's winnings (if any) to team D. the only thing you can do is leave it how it was before the stat change,

in this case, the only reason you are able to give team B the win is because it was the very end of the season. if this happened any other week, the results would have to stay the same.

i dont think a change is warranted just because it happened on the last game of the season.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I didn't know money was involved. I wouldn't make Team A give back the money. If I were in your shoes (and I had a bit of money to spare) I'd put it on me and waive Team B's sign up fees every year until the $500 is paid back. Talk to Team B in private before the draft. See if he even wants the money he should have won. He may not - and then you dodge a huge bullet. If you can't foot the sign up fees every year then maybe put it to vote - will every owner chip in $5 extra each year to cover Team B's sign up fees (or whatever it comes out to). Or maybe since you are the Commish - you propose to chip in $15 extra every year as it was your mistake and the other owners chip in $3 each to cover B's fees. I'm sure the numbers will be higher but you get the idea.

Try to work something out. There are tons of options and you'll probably get some other good ideas here in this thread. The only thing I'm 100% sure about is that you don't ask for $500 back from a guy 7 months later when he probably needs it (and has already spent it). If it was demanded back he'd probably walk. And he'd have every right to.

No way the guy has to give money back if he already received it.I think the solution is pretty simple. You simply credit Team B his ownership fees each year until the winnings are exhausted and reduce the payouts for the following years accordingly. It won't be that much of a difference and the guy still gets "paid" as in free fantasy football for a few years. Nice little bonus when you walk into a draft not paying anything. Maybe having that for a few years makes up for not having a true victory lap for winning the previous year.

It's not that simple. Every way someone has thought of on here has consisted of Team A keeping all the money that he did not legitimately win, while Team B also wins all the money that he did legitimately win...where's all this money coming from? The pockets of every other owner in the league. Why is it on them to lose money? I believe Team A should keep the money and Team B should just take it like a champ...but I don't know the owner for Team B, so...

Considering it's been nine months...Team A should keep the money. Otherwise, a precedent could be started where 16 years of stats could be filed through and corrected.

I think it is that simple. You can't realistically ask Team A to give that money back, plus they seem to be tight on money. It's just not something friends would do.

But Team B won and money is part of winning. It's their money.

Why not just credit them that money and have the prize pool take a 1/12th hit for a few seasons? It's not "on them" to lose money. It's a couple of teams each year getting a small percentage less. The losers get the same nothing they always got.

It just seems like the nicest way to handle a league issue. The commish made an honest mistake, Team A won't be shamed into paying back money that would be difficult for him, and Team B gets the reward that's rightfully theirs. All it "costs" is a 1/12 hit to the prize pool. Just seems like the least pain to me.

And I wouldn't worry about precedents. I'm pretty sure this will never happen in that league again. Just one of those things.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Really, since it was the commish's fault for not properly dispersing funds, I think you should pay it. It's only fair. Teams A and B did nothing wrong.

 

[DesmondBishop]

i disagree here.unless it is said otherwise, a 1 week window should be the standard interval before scores lock and here is why...lets say this happened in week 12. the stats of a week 12 game were altered in feburary which cased one of the ff matchups to have a different outcome.now lets say that outcome would have resulted in team D getting into the playoffs rather than team Cwhat do you do? you can't replay the playoffs. you are not going to hand team C's winnings (if any) to team D. the only thing you can do is leave it how it was before the stat change,in this case, the only reason you are able to give team B the win is because it was the very end of the season. if this happened any other week, the results would have to stay the same. i dont think a change is warranted just because it happened on the last game of the season.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

 

[Pipes]

Really, since it was the commish's fault for not properly dispersing funds, I think you should pay it. It's only fair. Teams A and B did nothing wrong.

Team B could've rechecked the score after the stat changes just as easily as the commish.

 

[Beefeaters]

You've already admitted that this was your fault... so now, if you want to be THE Standup Commissioner of the Year, tell Team B that you will personally pay him the $500 that he is out yourself. Tell him it might take you a year or two (whatever you can afford). I'm sure he'll be fine with this, since it is basically found money at this point. Tell Team A that he is off the hook financially. Let a League vote determine who goes down in the record books as Champ (I'd lean towards Team B).

 

[ChromeWeasel]

In my league its up to the owners to catch point updates. Team B would be on the hook to know he won due to score updates. Commish is not obligated to figure that out. In the OP's case I would have left the champ as Team A and not worried about it. Team B may be upset, but the answer would be that he should be 'its your job to watch your own scores.'

 

[Johnny Blood]

Unless he is being paid to be the commissioner, why would he pay out of his own pocket? Not one person in this league bothered to check the standings after the last game of the season. That's the level of commitment in this league.

Someone has to be the commissioner. Big surprise, he showed the same level of commitment as everyone else. Unless he's doing this for profit he'd be an absolute sucker to pay it out of his pocket.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Team B would be the champ, but the money is long lost. Team B should have noticed the point scoring change back in Feb. before money was paid out, or anyone in the league should have noticed. Are you sure Team A never noticed... not sure how the NFL site works.

Give Team A a Lance Armstrong award...

Overall though, everyone is at fault for not once checking the site for 7 months... so it's too late to do much other than flip the championship per your rules to the correct winner.

Team A is then unhappy he isn't the winner... Team B is unhappy he lost out on $500 extra... Commish is unhappy having missed this and egg on his face. So everyone is unhappy... sounds like a perfect fix... and your league will have some crazy history added to it.

 

[Hoss Style]

i disagree here.

unless it is said otherwise, a 1 week window should be the standard interval before scores lock and here is why...

lets say this happened in week 12. the stats of a week 12 game were altered in feburary which cased one of the ff matchups to have a different outcome.

now lets say that outcome would have resulted in team D getting into the playoffs rather than team C

what do you do? you can't replay the playoffs. you are not going to hand team C's winnings (if any) to team D. the only thing you can do is leave it how it was before the stat change,

in this case, the only reason you are able to give team B the win is because it was the very end of the season. if this happened any other week, the results would have to stay the same.

i dont think a change is warranted just because it happened on the last game of the season.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

Wait. What?I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here. I'm genuinely curious. I've never seen the NFL change a regular season stat after the season's over. Does this happen? Anyone have an example? As far as I know they do stat changes by Thursday each week and then never touch them again. It seems the above post says that's wrong. Is it?

 

[firstseason1988]

OK- I've never posted one of these, mostly because we have a league that's been together since the USA Today box score days and I've built a constitution that is 25+ pages and covers every wierd and idiotic situation I've seen in the past 16 or so years. (The Shark Pool has been a big help with that).

But I've got one that actually got me this year and I was curious what random people on my favorite message board thought.

Our Championship game last year ended with Team A winning by a 3 point margin over Team B. That last game on Monday was an exciting one as Team A started a half dozen points in the hole and didn't pull ahead until the 4th. Yeah Team A! Post on Tuesday morning with the congrats and into the hibernation that is post FF. (I don't obsess in the off season like I used to)

Fast Forward to 3 weeks ago - Owner Team A sends me a strange note that I've put in the wrong champion on the site and to get it fixed. I didn't put anything in, so I went to check. Sure enough, the NEW final has Team B winning by 2 points. Caught offguard, I investigate and discover that, sure enough, the NFL revised some points on that Thursday and awarded a sack to Team B and removed a catch from a player on Team A. We have a new champion and no one had noticed.

I sent out the explanation and a sincere apology to Team A and shared with everyone the details. Our rules state that the NFL and site are the final arbitrarors of scoring and that is that. The Team A is insane pissed (it was his first title in 16+ years in the league) and claims that once I announced him the champ and a week went by without MY correction, THAT was the end of it and whats to keep the NFL/site from changing scores from prior weeks, etc.

He's filed a protest and since the draft is tonight, I'd like some closure. Thoughts? Any disenting opinions?

Team B needed to check his own score, that isn't a rule in all those years, there was a kickoff the following week whether it was week 17 or wildcard weekend.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Really, since it was the commish's fault for not properly dispersing funds, I think you should pay it. It's only fair. Teams A and B did nothing wrong.

 

[yellowdog]

Update?

 

[notdarkyet]

What would Ruxin do?

Probably whine about it. A lot.

 

[Pipes]

Unless he is being paid to be the commissioner, why would he pay out of his own pocket? Not one person in this league bothered to check the standings after the last game of the season. That's the level of commitment in this league.Someone has to be the commissioner. Big surprise, he showed the same level of commitment as everyone else. Unless he's doing this for profit he'd be an absolute sucker to pay it out of his pocket.

 

[SayWhat?]

Unless he is being paid to be the commissioner, why would he pay out of his own pocket? Not one person in this league bothered to check the standings after the last game of the season. That's the level of commitment in this league.Someone has to be the commissioner. Big surprise, he showed the same level of commitment as everyone else. Unless he's doing this for profit he'd be an absolute sucker to pay it out of his pocket.

People in this thread claiming that the commish should pay $500 out of pocket to the guy who probably never would've ever realized that there was a stat correction last year are reeeediculous. Seven months had passed with not a single person recognizing what happened. The team that was crowned champ and paid $750 should remain champ, while the rest of the league should take this as a lesson learned for the future.

 

[pantagrapher]

Seems like an honest oversight that nobody, including the commish, went back to check for stat changes. Team A should send the money to Team B. It's his choice if he wants to laugh about it or whine.

 

[rocketsauce]

Update?

OP will surely deliver...

 

[GregR]

i disagree here.unless it is said otherwise, a 1 week window should be the standard interval before scores lock and here is why...lets say this happened in week 12. the stats of a week 12 game were altered in feburary which cased one of the ff matchups to have a different outcome.now lets say that outcome would have resulted in team D getting into the playoffs rather than team Cwhat do you do? you can't replay the playoffs. you are not going to hand team C's winnings (if any) to team D. the only thing you can do is leave it how it was before the stat change,in this case, the only reason you are able to give team B the win is because it was the very end of the season. if this happened any other week, the results would have to stay the same. i dont think a change is warranted just because it happened on the last game of the season.

Can we get everyone on the same page about what happened. No score was changed months later. At the end of the week window that you speak of, the score showed Team B was the winner by the official site.The only issue is that everyone assumed the preliminary score would be the same as the final one, so no one bothered to check what that final score was when it locked.There's no parallel at all here to the situation you're describing of going back months later and changing a score.

 

[cheese]

I think I would split it. The rules say Team B won. Common sense says Team A was already crowned and paid. The "fairest" thing is to suggest a split and hope they both get on board rather than whine. B is getting something from nothing and A knows you could just as easily request all $500.

 

[GibbyGarcia]

I think I would split it. The rules say Team B won. Common sense says Team A was already crowned and paid. The "fairest" thing is to suggest a split and hope they both get on board rather than whine. B is getting something from nothing and A knows you could just as easily request all $500.

I promised myself yesterday that I wouldn’t be that guy and not deliver the update to the original question. Also, since 99% of every story on here involves dissolution of the league and threats of death, I thought I’d tell you one that made me feel pretty good.First, We have a strange rule that makes the $ situation not as painful. We hand out the money at the following years draft. I’ve never cared because I keep the money in a special account and don’t have any financial concerns that would alarm the other owners. So I showed up with the cash last night.Team A was quite the trooper about it by draft time. We had a very civil discussion with everyone about what happened and decided to hold two votes, one to declare the champion and second on the $ conversation. Neither vote actually happened because Team A didn’t feel like he deserved the title or the $. (Actually, he said he felt great all Spring and most of the summer and we couldn’t take that away). When I handed out the $, Team B gave Team A an extra $100 of his winnings.We then decided to award co-championship to both of them, because really, does it matter all that much who won last year? No gives a crap but us anyway and there is enough mitigating weirdness that both have valid points.I think that became an easy decision because Team A was being an adult about it. Had he shown up in fight mode, it might have gone differently. And yes, we’ve all been pretty good friends for a very long time, so that does play a role in civility. And for those that wanted me to cough up $500. I don't like you very much and you've lost your mind. My writing "Good Job Team A" on the message board is not a written contract.

 

[GibbyGarcia]

Also to Add. I brought about 3 pages of rule additions and revisions to avoid this crap every again. Thank you to Greg and the others for the other thread that triggers some newness.

 

[rocketsauce]

Well damn. Good stuff. Good resolution.

 

[theplayer11]

No $$, then I wouldn't give a rats behind. Bragging rights?...no, I'm not in grade school anymore.

 

[Dreamer]

Nice resolution.

 

[firstseason1988]

No $$, then I wouldn't give a rats behind. Bragging rights?...no, I'm not in grade school anymore.

So why do you play, $$$ and bragging rights are 2 important reasons I play... there are more...

 

[Spock]

Good to hear it worked itself out Gibby.